EggrollXpress61

hey guys. I have decided for my next project I am going to turbo Estelle. maybe even TT. depends how much $$ I want to spend. One of my friend's dad is an engine specialst and is an expert in exgines, turbos, and such. Anywho, He Just finished building one my other friends RX-7 a twin turbo for the rotary egine and OMG Ive never seen anything faster in real life.It runs 9.32 1/4 miles all day long! I was VERY impressed considering this is the same car I raced before and wooped. So I trust this guys work. AND hes my friend's dad so he said he would rebuild my engine w/ lower compression parts and build me the turbo or TT for a flat fee of $5,000 which is a heck of a deal. I think he wanted $1000 more for TT. I would then have to take my Estelle to jet preformance to get my ECU remapped for the best results. He said he could guarantee atleast a 11 sec TL or maybe even faster! Thats incredible. So for my next project (yall know im the king of new projects) Ill be the lab rat and test this out. BTW for all you people that are w/ the mindset of "400-500HP cannot go to FWD", you guys are wrong because he said that it takes a little for the turbo to spin up so you would be getting the same start as a stcok TL. No more of a diffrence than the Stock. And Hes an expert, so Id trust him. Im sooo stoked!

KawBoy

Depending on what kind of boost you are going to run, remapping may not do the job, if it is possible to remap the stock ECU at all. Perhaps you would better have a Haltech or Motec instead of remapping.
400~500HP on a FWD is OK; it is just a big pain in the butt, as the tires loose traction at all times.

badazzTL

considering ur only 17, ur most likely gonna get flamed. 400-500 hp? that would be roughly a 100% increase from stock, which i seriously doubt. good luck.

cM3go

with that compression ratio its gonna be tough, but I bid you all the good luck, this would be quite the project to show off!

KawBoy

100% increase power over stock is easy to get using turbo. Now, if the stock internal engine components are going to hold that... that is another question. Most definitely rods and crank are going to give up.

KawBoy

CR would have to be lower to about 8.5:1. I think stock is 11.0:1.

insmanblue

Say good-bye to your power train warranty.

automata

Your car is a 5AT is it not? Can the auto trans handle all that torque? I wouldn't think so.

Aegir

You need to figure out the engine management piece before you start hacking up your car. Changing pistons and plumbing the turbos are the easy parts.

EmuMessenger

Time will tell ALL!

GaleForce

Say goodbye to your warantee on your brand new car. If it was 400-500 hp I guess it could be possible, considering the turbo lag causing the real power to come once the car is moving, but still... I seriously doubt you'll get that much WHP.

KawBoy

Not even the MT would hold 400HP. Gearbox would be something he would have to fix/replace all the time.

Shoot2Thrill

Of all the projects I love the ones doomed right from the start best!

PoochaKannInc

This is a very ambitious project, and in some ways I admire that.

However with such an extensive modification (especially when no company with R&D has put their money into it yet) there will be many many unseen problems. From the ECU management, to the fuel setup, to the transmission failures, axles and CV joints might break under the stress, the turbos might fail, etc. etc. Granted none of these things (or all of these things) might occur, but you should be forewarned that it is not possible to stick to your $5-6K budget. It would be a miracle if the engine builder of yours could guess and figure out everything.

If you are seriously going through with this, more power to you. That would be awesome. But make sure you are not underestimating the work involved.

dwcolt

Bad idea, dude. You're going to spend $5,000 or more on a brand new car and for this you will get:

1) a voided warranty
2) a car that will never recover its value if you sell it
3) countless unforseen problems with your tranny, driveshaft, etc.
4) and, assuming everything actually works, a massively over-torqued, over-powered FWD vehicle.

If you're going to pull something like this, start with an AWD vehicle that could actually make use of this kind of power. I used to drive a 1992 GMC Typhoon which had the incredible 4.3L V6 turbo which cranked out 280 HP and 360 lb/ft of torque. 0-60 in 5.3 seconds without so much as a chirp from the tires. Now that's the kind of AWD setup that can handle this kind of torque.

MrGQDieselNY

Why dont you just buy an M3 and save the headache.

tizo

9.0:1 at max... and i see $5k running out real quick... 2 smaller twin t3 or t3/t4 turbos might keep your tranny longer than blasting it all at once with a larger t3/t4 hybrid... ball-bearing turbos are best for the long run, but then again, your on a budget... oh yeah, remember, ARP is your friend...

EggrollXpress61

holy crap! thats a lot of reponses! I came back from a piss and there are like 30 reponses already! lol Anywho, keep the flames to yourselves. And I know the compression of the enigne is high. Hence, he is Rebuilding it with LOWER COMPRESSION parts. Hes looked at it and taken her apart a little and says it should be no problem. An Engine is an Engine. Hes been in business for 23 years and has worked on a lot of cars. Hes twin turboed a SRT-10 (Viper Engine) and put it in some car I dont remember which. But it was in Hot Rods Magazine. And hes been featured in a lot of other magizines. He says anything is possible. Hes built a 1200HP Supra here for some indian guy in town that races on 39th street alot (big drag scene). So I dunno. If he says he can do it, I think he can.

EggrollXpress61

Cuz M3s dont come w/ 8" Voice activated Navi, DVD-A, BT,and everything else. The list just goes on and on. AND this thing would EAT M3s @ 400-500HP.

tizo

btw... with the right knowledge and money, 500hp can be reached in an old Escort stationwagon... but when your talking an 11sec 1/4mi, it`s a completely different scale... anything under 12`s is big money every tenth mi faster... traction, weight, axels, transmission; all things beyond the motor, not to mention all the safety devices you`ll need to buy and install, just so they`ll let you on the track to check your 1/4mi... it`s all a new ballgame under 12`s... i know... good luck...

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Originally Posted by EggrollXpress61

Hes twin turboed a SRT-10 (Viper Engine),Hes built a 1200HP Supra...

all those engines, including the rx-7, was made for holding that much power... i hope you make it for $5k... if so, he may be able to make a decent business just building TL`s...

EggrollXpress61

Also. I was planning on buying an AEM intake on this. But I THINK he said I dont need iot. I kinda didnt understand him because he talks really fast and mumbles. But I think he said I dont need it because the turbo has its own system, correct?

tommyt37

uhhh not really 500hp on an FWD isn't really smart.. really doesn't make much sense at all... all that HP will be wasted

tizo

you can get an AEM intake, but whether it`s cold air may not make an extreme difference, depending on the type of intercooler he uses for your setup... a water to air like i use doesn`t really depend much on the intake...
besides, he`s gonna have to fabricate most, if not all, of your parts... so he might as well just make you one... you`ll just buy the filter...

donkeykang

I'm just curious as to how someone my age would have $5,000 to spend on their car. As for me, even my small side business can't support me doing that...

Meh, I'm not hating though; good luck.

1SICKLEX

Dude, your 17. Your the same tool who wanted to sell his TL 2 months ago. Your the same tool who got a fork thrown at you in the freeway. Your parents need to pay you some attention, since you come here to get it.
In one year you will be a young adult and these silly rants will become more flame oriented. You can't just SLAP turbos on a car for 5k and TT for 1k more. THat is bullshit.

Since you would be one of the first F/I Tls, your car will go through an engine, tranny, etc etc for them to try to figure out how to make it work. Let alone fit.

11 Second TL my ass. Both you and the mechanic stop smoking the serious crack.

For a custom turbo on a non-F/I car. Expect to pay 15-20k and the car will be down for 8-10 months.

1SICKLEX

Do you notice what he worked on? Those are full blown sports car engines. For one, the Supra has been tested and tuned and is a Turbo engine (2JZ is invincible).
Hennessy and Ligenfelter work on the Viper. That engine can also take the extra power.

You cannot think what applies to those engines applies here. No way. Tizo made a great point. To be in the 11s requires SERIOUS time.

Not to mention say you build a 500hp TL and it does 12s at the track. your car will be down another year with another 10k invested of your PARENTS money trying to get into the 11s.

Nothing is impossible. You have the money and time, it can be done. We have FWD Civcs doing 9s and 8s, which was laugable 10 years ago.

GaleForce

No one is flaming you. You posted the god damn thread on a DISCUSSION BOARD. So now that you created a discussion, we are discussing it. I think most of us, based on our (ready for this one...) discussion, think this is a bad idea.

Seriously though, you spent 35k on a new TL and you're looking at probably at least 10k for your turbos and all the problems your going to run into. But even if it is just 5-6k, if you can throw 5-6k around that easily and take such a big chance as to void your warranty and make your car almost impossible to sell I honestly think you could have affored an M3 or an S4. If you want a true sports car just sell your TL and get a sports car... save yourself the headache, the voided warranty, and all the other problems you'll get. Heck, get an S2000 and have a dealer install the Comptech supercharger and get it running close to 4 seconds 0-60.

1SICKLEX

This speaks on your inexperience. As no one with experience would start a thread saying they will turbo the car for 5k and 1k for more TT. Not possible.

Aegir

Not doubting your mechanic or his ability to install the turbo, but you said in your first post that you would "...take my Estelle to jet preformance to get my ECU remapped..." If he's not taking care of the tuning, you could have some unexpected surprises. First, read this thread: http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showt...hlight=jet+rsx Then consider that anything you do with the ECU, once you find someone capable of doing the work, will be custom tuning. It will require dyno and tuning time, probably at $100+ per hour, plus transport to and from their facility because it's a safe bet they aren't local. That's cool if it's part of the $5K, but it would be an unexpected surprise if it's not.

All is not lost. You may be able to get low boost levels without retuning the ECU at all. Using a custom fuel regulator and tweaking the MAP signal may do the trick - and these could be tuned easily on a local dyno. You'll probably need more fuel than the stock pump can provide, so you'll need a new one. Of course, the crazier you get with the boost, the more you need custom engine management. Anyway, low boost levels seem feasible on a $5K budget - just be sure you know everything you're getting into up front.

UNCTYPE-S

maybe hes workin something out on the side for that price.

gsrthomas

If I were you I wouldnt turbo your car.

400-500hp on a FWD car???? That is plain idiotic... Get yourself a G35 Coupe/sedan if you want to go turbo.

fla-tls

Fast forward to dynos & 1/4 mile times ----------->

EggrollXpress61

whats w/ all the sand in your vagina? no need to get angry or anything. The only reason I wanted to sell my TL was because it needed more umph like it will if I turbo it. Also it was a screw driver not a fork that was thrown at me and I still have the scars to show for it, kinda covered w/ some lousy touch up. The turbo is w/o a question possible. I know its not easy and he said my TL would need to be taken apart for about 5 weeks. not 10 months. He said he will have 3 interns working with him. 11 sec is more than possible. Ive seen my friends RX-7 at the Speed Tek strip. It will not take 10 months unless you have mentally retarded mechanics working on it or something.

1SICKLEX

Well if u have serious money. The VQ can be turboed to right around 400hp for about 8k. Anything above that=blown engines left and right and everything needs to be re-built. It does have the right platform to do it on.

GaleForce

Trust your TL w/ interns?

1SICKLEX

Dude, you have no clue. It is not that simple. Your taking about the FD RX-7? Dude, the car is ALREADY a 13 second car with basic upgrades. It comes with TT. It is a sports car. The car is tried and tested and people KNOW how to upgrade the turbos. It's just a matter of money.

I did not say it is not possible. I said if you have the money and time, anything is possible. But lets look at some things here
1. Comptech, who is the Acura modifier, sells superchargers. Not turbo. Must be a reason for that.
2. Their fastest car is maybe a 12 second NSX. A NSX. You are talking a TL here.
3. There is NO WAY IN HELL a custom, one-off turbo kit will be done for a TL in 5 weeks at 5k. If he does, he needs to apply for the Noble Prize in Physics. He needs to solve quantum energy problems.
4. 3 Interns? That means they are LEARNING. THey don't know much.

Your comparing his work on SPORTS CARS to a car sold for not even a year now.

And one of the biggest problems with these new cars is cracking the ECU or getting the piggyback to work. That can take a year to figure out correctly.

See this?

A custom SRT built single turbo for this IS 300 revealed this past weekend. Going for maybe 1,000hp. Since this was a custom job, all rebuild, it took 8 months. And it may not be finished based on dyno and track times. You don't even want to know the cost.

caball88

i agree with most the posters here. to get 500hp out of the engine would be pretty crazy. you would basically have to upgrade all the internal moving parts to be able to handle that amount of power. not to mention your tranny. i'm pretty sure the 5AT cannot handle that amount of power. not sure what the 6MT tranny is rated at but at those numbers you are looking at more high performance drive trains. if you didn't think torque steer existed before this will definitely create some. if you want to add some power to your TL that's fine but i think a more reasonable approach should be taken. slapping on that turbo will definitely ruin your warranty and when the tranny goes(which it probably will) acura will not replace it for you. this will create problems for you throughout your ownership of the car. since this car is fwd its going to be hard to keep traction. i dunno why anyone would believe it can handle that amount of power in just the front wheel. maybe if you had wheelie bars in the back, but the wheels will skip out of you from all that extra hp and torque. i would suggest you mod the car a little less agressively and preserve the TL to somewhat the nice and balanced car it already is.

fsttyms1

why not? Grand Prix GTP drivers have been doing it and running VERY low 1/4 mile times

donkeykang

I have to agree with everyone else on this. The TL wasn't built for that kinda stress. If you want to talk about having gadgets, everything the TL has in someway can be added to a m3. I don't want to sound harsh or anything but I think somebody watches a little too much "Fast and Furious." If your doing this with your OWN money, then I guess it's cool, but don't waste your parent's money man. I'm speaking as a lucky ass kid who got half of the money for a TL spotted. I'm not lucky because I got in a car accident before, but I still am struggling with money issues because I have to pay for part of the car. You know, if this does happen...keep it on the track. I got ran off the road and almost died because of some idiot driver and it yeah...be safe man. It's cool that you have all these ambitions but let's be realistic...a TL wouldn't even be sexy at 11 seconds to me to be honest. I would much rather see a m3 running 11 second than a TL. TL is a hot street car, not a race car. Like many of the car veterans would agree, the TL is not meant for hardcore racing.

zeezz

i guess...

i don't see why he shouldnt be able to do what he wants with his car

who knows, maybe he'll end up with something cool, or maybe his car will be blown. i for one will stand behind his effort to do something interesting with the car, even if it seems a bit crazy.