Preliminary Supercharger reflash results - looking for a tester
10-06-2007, 11:00 AM
#81
Originally Posted by hondata
I have answered your questions and yet you respond by polluting this thread with insults.
Moderators, please close this thread.
Moderators, please close this thread.
My statement was not intended as an insult to Hondata, but rather a colorful annotation to the "eagerness" of the 03TL_S. Reread my post, I have never questioned your companies abilites. Thank you for the response.
I look forward to your release of the product, and the independent testing results on performance and reliability.
10-06-2007, 11:52 AM
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Tim i thank people like you for helping in the development of projects like this. I personally will be one of the first to purchase this once hondata makes it avalible. As far as kennedy and 03tls.....
you guys need to take a step back and realize you are argueing over the internet!!!! I have bit my tongue numerous times on other peoples comments. There is no need for this kind of behavior on a public forum dedicated to something we all have in common.... The acura tl. Your should settle your indifferences by going toe to toe and the loser can buy the other one a twelve pack to split it. Now i will arange the fight and sell tickets to help fund my purchase. Please pm me your addresses and i will make all necassary arangements for the battle. J/K come on guys let everyone discuss what the topic and thread is all about. So hondata please keep us all informed on the updates and progress in your developments as i like many others are patiently awaiting the release.
10-06-2007, 04:49 PM
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kennedy and 03tls
like stated this is the internet. Both of you need to grow up so much more. Bit your tongue or pm each other with you trash. None of us care about it. Now look what you both have done, you have asked hondata to have this thread closed.
Ussi, Tim, and myself among some others have hondata working on our ecu to tune it for everyone who wants it, but trash talk like both of you display is so dum...
The longer hondata takes to come out I blame on both of you.
like stated this is the internet. Both of you need to grow up so much more. Bit your tongue or pm each other with you trash. None of us care about it. Now look what you both have done, you have asked hondata to have this thread closed.
Ussi, Tim, and myself among some others have hondata working on our ecu to tune it for everyone who wants it, but trash talk like both of you display is so dum...
The longer hondata takes to come out I blame on both of you.
10-06-2007, 06:54 PM
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You guys are right, this is the internet... A free and open place to communicate. Please define grow up... Sorry you disagree with my posts.
I consider this more than the internet, it's a community, where folks meet, and get to know each other. I've made a few friends here already, and yes, we meet in person often. This more than anonymous chat...
I asked a question of Hondata, because I am INTERESTED in the product, but not blindly.
03TL_S came after me, said a bunch of silly things, mostly off topic. I responded, same as I would in a face to face to discussion.
Bite my lip? No thanks, not what I do. Had he PM'd me his personal thoughts on my postings, my response would have been the same.
I'm exceptionally sorry you guys feel the need to assign blame for delays in Hondata's development because folks feel the need to take the postings off-topic and start bashing other members for asking pointed and appropriate questions. To think dumb internet posting have anything to do with thier development cycle is pretty silly.
Sorry this thread will be closed. It's not like another won't be opened when the product is ready for sale. Perhaps I'll be able to ask appropriate questions in that thread without being ridiculed and called names.
Hopefully we can now drop this and move on.
I consider this more than the internet, it's a community, where folks meet, and get to know each other. I've made a few friends here already, and yes, we meet in person often. This more than anonymous chat...
I asked a question of Hondata, because I am INTERESTED in the product, but not blindly.
03TL_S came after me, said a bunch of silly things, mostly off topic. I responded, same as I would in a face to face to discussion.
Bite my lip? No thanks, not what I do. Had he PM'd me his personal thoughts on my postings, my response would have been the same.
I'm exceptionally sorry you guys feel the need to assign blame for delays in Hondata's development because folks feel the need to take the postings off-topic and start bashing other members for asking pointed and appropriate questions. To think dumb internet posting have anything to do with thier development cycle is pretty silly.
Sorry this thread will be closed. It's not like another won't be opened when the product is ready for sale. Perhaps I'll be able to ask appropriate questions in that thread without being ridiculed and called names.
Hopefully we can now drop this and move on.
10-06-2007, 07:12 PM
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Kennedy
true free place to talk communicate, but it belongs in the pm or rambling section.
I know you know what grow up means, so dont try and act smart.
I know you asked a question about hondata and for 03tl to talk crap was very dum. But you are the mature adult correct?...
I put blame for the development of both of you.
from this point I wont respond...
true free place to talk communicate, but it belongs in the pm or rambling section.
I know you know what grow up means, so dont try and act smart.
I know you asked a question about hondata and for 03tl to talk crap was very dum. But you are the mature adult correct?...
I put blame for the development of both of you.
from this point I wont respond...
10-06-2007, 07:34 PM
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I think this thread should be closed because it has gone way off topic which is too bad.
The truly unfortunate thing is that Comptech really released and continues to sell the supercharger knowing full well that it needs an ECU update to make it right. If they did have plans to work with Hondata before they went under, it seems like they really don't care now that they've come back or else the two would partner together and make the update retroactive to previous purchasers.
I'm not a person with deep pockets and I would never put a SC on my car knowing the ECU can't keep up. And to have to pay another $600 on top of $4k is crazy.
Also, to say product release is delayed by internet battling is totally ridiculous.
Anyway, I'm hoping the SC version is a great success and can't wait to see if Hondata can justify a NA version.
The truly unfortunate thing is that Comptech really released and continues to sell the supercharger knowing full well that it needs an ECU update to make it right. If they did have plans to work with Hondata before they went under, it seems like they really don't care now that they've come back or else the two would partner together and make the update retroactive to previous purchasers.
I'm not a person with deep pockets and I would never put a SC on my car knowing the ECU can't keep up. And to have to pay another $600 on top of $4k is crazy.
Also, to say product release is delayed by internet battling is totally ridiculous.
Anyway, I'm hoping the SC version is a great success and can't wait to see if Hondata can justify a NA version.
10-06-2007, 10:33 PM
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Directed to HONDATA:
will you be working on the Type-S TL flash for the supercharger? If you did, this would open up the door for alot of type S's being SC'ed as the ACM from comptech will not work with the TL-S tune.
Directed to Mods: Can you clean up this thread.
will you be working on the Type-S TL flash for the supercharger? If you did, this would open up the door for alot of type S's being SC'ed as the ACM from comptech will not work with the TL-S tune.
Directed to Mods: Can you clean up this thread.
How did I get dragged into this?
10-07-2007, 08:58 PM
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Damn........we finally have a direct dialogue with Hondata and the thread goes to hell.
lets keep the lines of communication open with Hondata it will be beneficial for all of us.
lets keep the lines of communication open with Hondata it will be beneficial for all of us.
10-09-2007, 12:31 PM
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Let's focus on the goal here...
Hello all. New member here looking to supercharge with the ECU reflash. I've been watching this thread for a few months now and am disappointed with the recent turn in the thread. I'd personally love to see this thread get back on track. So far I've learned a lot from Hondata's posts and I've been looking forward to their product. It looks like they may have checked out though, and that's unfortunate. I know that Hondata says that they won't recoupe their investment, but bailing at this point doesn't seem smart. To me, it seems that there's money to be made here for Hondata. (1) Comptech has shut down, product discontinued; (2) Hondata is in the business of tuning ECUs for Honda products with FI; (3) Acura TL is one of the best-selling, entry-level luxury sedans (4) There are plenty of bored guys (and gals I'm sure) out in suburbia with the money to supercharge, but are unwilling to do so without a reliable tune. Hondata, please come back.
As for Kennedy, I don't think that his comments are out of line. They're directed toward Hondata's goal of developing a tune for the SC when many of the posts here aren't toward that goal (the posts for NA, Type-S, etc). Kennedy only asked questions based on his experiences and had to defend himself after being attacked as a "pessimist," a "sissy," and now a "liberal" and an "idiot." Being cautious and asking questions should not be met with namecalling. Regardless of where we come from, I'm sure all of us watching this thread (actively participating or not) hope that Hondata figures this out so that a supercharged TL making it to 100,000 miles is not an anomaly. I think we can all agree on that and maybe we should focus on that.
As for Kennedy, I don't think that his comments are out of line. They're directed toward Hondata's goal of developing a tune for the SC when many of the posts here aren't toward that goal (the posts for NA, Type-S, etc). Kennedy only asked questions based on his experiences and had to defend himself after being attacked as a "pessimist," a "sissy," and now a "liberal" and an "idiot." Being cautious and asking questions should not be met with namecalling. Regardless of where we come from, I'm sure all of us watching this thread (actively participating or not) hope that Hondata figures this out so that a supercharged TL making it to 100,000 miles is not an anomaly. I think we can all agree on that and maybe we should focus on that.
10-09-2007, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 04_NBP
Hello all. New member here looking to supercharge with the ECU reflash. I've been watching this thread for a few months now and am disappointed with the recent turn in the thread. I'd personally love to see this thread get back on track. So far I've learned a lot from Hondata's posts and I've been looking forward to their product. It looks like they may have checked out though, and that's unfortunate. I know that Hondata says that they won't recoupe their investment, but bailing at this point doesn't seem smart. To me, it seems that there's money to be made here for Hondata. (1) Comptech has shut down, product discontinued; (2) Hondata is in the business of tuning ECUs for Honda products with FI; (3) Acura TL is one of the best-selling, entry-level luxury sedans (4) There are plenty of bored guys (and gals I'm sure) out in suburbia with the money to supercharge, but are unwilling to do so without a reliable tune. Hondata, please come back.
As for Kennedy, I don't think that his comments are out of line. They're directed toward Hondata's goal of developing a tune for the SC when many of the posts here aren't toward that goal (the posts for NA, Type-S, etc). Kennedy only asked questions based on his experiences and had to defend himself after being attacked as a "pessimist," a "sissy," and now a "liberal" and an "idiot." Being cautious and asking questions should not be met with namecalling. Regardless of where we come from, I'm sure all of us watching this thread (actively participating or not) hope that Hondata figures this out so that a supercharged TL making it to 100,000 miles is not an anomaly. I think we can all agree on that and maybe we should focus on that.
As for Kennedy, I don't think that his comments are out of line. They're directed toward Hondata's goal of developing a tune for the SC when many of the posts here aren't toward that goal (the posts for NA, Type-S, etc). Kennedy only asked questions based on his experiences and had to defend himself after being attacked as a "pessimist," a "sissy," and now a "liberal" and an "idiot." Being cautious and asking questions should not be met with namecalling. Regardless of where we come from, I'm sure all of us watching this thread (actively participating or not) hope that Hondata figures this out so that a supercharged TL making it to 100,000 miles is not an anomaly. I think we can all agree on that and maybe we should focus on that.
10-11-2007, 03:27 PM
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Kennedy, I might address the question of reliability here with the notion that Comptech has a limit on the power they can generate because either adding more boost will compromise the reliability, or they do not possess the tuning capability to produce the power without increasing boost.
Hondata does have the tuning capability, hence they can create more power with same or actually better reliability with the same boost levels.
I have spoken with you on the phone and in your defense you are well spoken and very intelligent. Sometimes too intelligent for your own good. I run into the same problems online as you do. Being straightforward and scientific about your topics leads to people either not being able to understand you and be offended by default, or garners negative comments as to your "know it all" attitude. My advice...try Try TRY to resist engaging in arguments with people who are not able to read, comprehend, and reply to your messages without resorting to stupid comments that not only do not address your post, but steer the conversation so far off topic that regular members tire of it. I know I have a hard time restraining myself.
Hondata does have the tuning capability, hence they can create more power with same or actually better reliability with the same boost levels.
I have spoken with you on the phone and in your defense you are well spoken and very intelligent. Sometimes too intelligent for your own good. I run into the same problems online as you do. Being straightforward and scientific about your topics leads to people either not being able to understand you and be offended by default, or garners negative comments as to your "know it all" attitude. My advice...try Try TRY to resist engaging in arguments with people who are not able to read, comprehend, and reply to your messages without resorting to stupid comments that not only do not address your post, but steer the conversation so far off topic that regular members tire of it. I know I have a hard time restraining myself.
10-11-2007, 11:43 PM
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Hey, just following progress on this post.
Kennedy's questions are valid. How else can you evaluate risk versus return if you don't ask how the reliability was tested. I don't see it as bashing, but as trying to make an informed decision.
Things like these high stress engine parts are built with a buffer between the amount of stress expected and the amount of stress the part is capable of handling. Could be 1.5x, 2x, 3x or even more. But when you ADD power, the buffer is smaller.
Hondata will tell you guys, there is A LOT of high force activity inside a 7,000 RPM engine. The parts are only designed to a certain structural limit. You put more stress on any ONE part than it was designed for and you can shred the whole thing. Even worse, if there should be even a very small defect in a single part under stress it might not hold up to the design limit. But you'd be SOL warranty wise.
I'm sure Hondata understands this and guards against it. Kennedy, just asked for information on what those safe guards are. No big deal.
Kennedy's questions are valid. How else can you evaluate risk versus return if you don't ask how the reliability was tested. I don't see it as bashing, but as trying to make an informed decision.Things like these high stress engine parts are built with a buffer between the amount of stress expected and the amount of stress the part is capable of handling. Could be 1.5x, 2x, 3x or even more. But when you ADD power, the buffer is smaller.
Hondata will tell you guys, there is A LOT of high force activity inside a 7,000 RPM engine. The parts are only designed to a certain structural limit. You put more stress on any ONE part than it was designed for and you can shred the whole thing. Even worse, if there should be even a very small defect in a single part under stress it might not hold up to the design limit. But you'd be SOL warranty wise.
I'm sure Hondata understands this and guards against it. Kennedy, just asked for information on what those safe guards are. No big deal.
10-17-2007, 11:35 AM
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Just got done driving the TL with the hondata reflash and man what an improvement!! ..excuse me while i go test it out some more...later dawgs!!!
10-17-2007, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ACCURATEin
Just got done driving the TL with the hondata reflash and man what an improvement!! ..excuse me while i go test it out some more...later dawgs!!!
10-19-2007, 01:04 AM
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SYKE! i was kidding about having the reflash! i wish though i wish
10-21-2007, 07:00 PM
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Hondata please come back. I will be needing this reflash soon.
The SEMA show is early November, and we are preparing for that, so nothing is likely to be posted for a few weeks.
10-22-2007, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hondata
Unfortunately we were not able to get any additional testers other than the two people we have been working with (who have been wonderfully patient and giving of their cars), so testing is going rather slowly.
The SEMA show is early November, and we are preparing for that, so nothing is likely to be posted for a few weeks.
The SEMA show is early November, and we are preparing for that, so nothing is likely to be posted for a few weeks.
11-12-2007, 09:37 PM
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Come on californians, pull through with this. I'm sure there are some supercharged lurkers here, so if you're reading this take one for the team and head over to hondata.
11-12-2007, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ACCURATEin
Come on californians, pull through with this. I'm sure there are some supercharged lurkers here, so if you're reading this take one for the team and head over to hondata.