JCL622

LOL yea no love for you anytime in the day. brb watching vids.

nix meeting up this time around, i'm stuck with helping out for my buddies wedding and then i gotta bounce back to MO for work and stuff...maybe next summer!!


btw, you doing the STS turbo? your tag under your name is driving me nuts, i know it cant be S/c...

ABP_04TL

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hmmm dis sounds good 4 me also... keep us posted

JCL622

pre cat delete does this mean when i do an inspection i wont pass in NY? like i know they just plug it into the ODBII thing, but will the pre cat deletes effect anything with that reading (i'm assuming yes?)

stillhere153

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it WILL pass with flying colors...

here is how, obdii (on board diagnostics), will not show an emissions non compliance because both precats come with simulators, the simulator removes both secondary o2 sensors from the exhaust flow, thus making the computer read that the precats are functional.

BUT, since you are not boosted I would strongly suggest to also consider a 3rd high flow cat... or keeping the stock cat (which sucks) but will keep that exhaust smell waaaay down...

if you run precat deletes and a testpipe/racepipe whatever you guys are calling them today, your car will smell like syrup and burnt gas

quick sneak peek at the 300 cell hiflow cats (on the left) richie has planned
stock cat on the right w/ heatshield on


stock substrate


hi-flow 300 cell substrate

JCL622

the syrup smell i'm okay with, it's really the inspections that i'm worried about.

besides everytime i get out of my TL i always smell the tires and brake stuff anyway, anotehr new smell isnt really going to bother me that much.

SRT-11

Two points/questions:

OK in Tampa we don't have inspections (hooray Tampa!) so I'm not too concerned, but I've ordered these precat deletes and I have ATLP's J pipe & test pipe on the way... (stock exhaust from there back) is the car going to reek of syrup/gas or just smell a bit like it?

Would header wrapping the whole system from the precats to the j pipe to the test pipe be worth my time?

stillhere153

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I mean if you are standing by the exhaust it will reek, it isn't like that inside the car... I didn't have any cats in a couple of my previous cars and it wasn't a problem unless ur letting the motor run while ur loading items in the trunk hahahaha

As for wrapping ur precat deletes... I am, 4wd.com has the dei wrap kit for like $65 + shipping, got mine from them...
Black of course.... For some reason the other color is like $30 more

And also these retail for $90 and $100 on ebay respectfully....

Honestly wrapping ur jpipe and even the 3rd cat is overkill... Costly, and the wrapping will deteriorate from the moisture

SRT-11

Well you wrap headers to decrease underhood temps & help the engine run more efficiently, and you want to keep the exhaust gasses escaping as quickly as possible, right? I guess J pipe would be overkill. how hard is it to wrap our headers and test pipes?

I hate cars

Keep us updated on this. I bet the TL-S cats hold up fine... Off topic but how/where did you get them?

I hate cars

Wrap is easy. Wrap it as neatly as you can and put a clamp on each end. It really cuts down on underhood heat. I wouldn't count on a performance gain but it should make everything under the hood last longer from reduced heat. The only thing you don't want to wrap would be header primary tubes which our TLs don't have. Also, make sure the car leaks no oil. I've seen people wrap the crossover pipe on a GN (similar to the J-pipe on the TL) with a rear main leak that soaks the wrap in oil and you can guess what happens next.

stillhere153

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here is the dei wrap kit - http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?partID=14945
$65, damn near half off the list price on dei's website

I hate cars kennedy got the type s cats from me... long ago when I parted out for procats.... same will go for my procats shortly they are on the bm for $800 shipped hehehe

I will post up a diy on how to wrap the precats with this kit as soon as richie ships them

SRT-11

hells yeah! Me likey DIY! you should, of course, make the wrap part of the installation DIY...

stillhere153

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will do...

Ken240sx

I just don't get the misconception with bolt on mods and hp gains. 15whp from just exhaust mods is great. Expecting much more than that is ridiculous. We're not putting these on a 20 year old chevy 350, maybe then you might see 20whp from exhaust mods. Plus, intake mods will compliment the exhaust mods. Exhaust only gives about 10whp alone, and with a few deleted cats that's another couple whp a piece.

anx1300c

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I understand your skepticism, but you'd be surprised what a J pipe, 3rd cat delete and cat back can do for these cars. Blackura got 10 whp from just a J-pipe and another 10 or so from the cat-back. Do a search and peruse some of the threads for dyno charts.

I hate cars

Depends on how bad the factory system is...

JCL622

so no one really knows if you're getting more gains from the pulley or from the engine mounts? theoretically speaking, i want to say pulley, but i'd like an educated answer.

the wrap sounds like a great idea, but is probably not much of a priority to me at this point. now if i had a S/C, fuck everything would be wrapped lol....

SRT-11

well is the gain from these going to be worth the $ for me if I'm not going FI or putting aftermarket exhaust on? I don't race at all, and I open it up a bit from time to time, but I'd mostly like to get a peppier 2000-4000 rpm and better gas mileage assuming I'm not romping on it all the time. I'll be doing (thermally wrapped) CAI, TB spacer, IM thermal gasket, pulley, J pipe, test pipe, and (potentially) precat deletes all on the same day. I have no plans to S/C this thing so should I just leave the precat deletes out for my application? Where/what are the gains with these things? if it's all end-of-the-band power (with a MPG decrease) then I don't think they're for me... I really appreciate you guys' input though!

stillhere153

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look at it this way, the precats are the same price of an aem intake... more gains.... does that answer your question, and there is no question it will give you mpg gains... richie reported getting same mpg average but he was flooring it everywhere he went... so I guess if you are getting 25mpg highway now you can go wide open everywhere and still enjoy the 25mpg average

MichaelBenz

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I am so in on this project its stupid! Just get em....well worth it!

stillhere153

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you.... I aim richie daily to see if he says "hey they've shipped" or "hey I have a definite date"... :-/

JCL622

haha stillhere just likes to stalk anyone that will provide him performance gains to become the fastest UA7 A/T


so right now only mr. MB has got the mule on? or what's up? should i be giving richie a call or is this just getting in the works now.


and based on what i've read so far, so if i get the precat deletes, and i'm sporting the j-shift downpipe and i have all 2.5 tubing / cat delete all the way to teh back, it's better to replace the test pipe i have with a highflow one? or am i just fine and i just need to install the precat deletes


btw MB, stillhere, do you think the engine mounts save more power or the crank pulley?

MichaelBenz

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Richie has these being made right now....

stillhere153

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jcl got jokes... rofl... but yea... any of the members on my buddy list just end up talkn about mods rofl...

as for the going catless all the way back... try it, if it smells too bad then put in the high flow 3rd cat... I will probably roll on the 3rd procat till richie finished the 3rd high flow cat... which should be pretty soon

Ken240sx

I'd say the crank pulley will help give you a little more to the ground. The 2 cars that I've done both those mods to, I've noticed more from the pulley...doesn't actually mean that the pulley does more, but it was a bit more noticeable. Granted neither was a TL, but it's pretty much the same concept. If one of you're mounts is going bad I'd say get the mounts, otherwise the pulley is a decent mod for the money.

Inaccurate

Slightly off-topic. From an "old guy" perspective [me], it is interesting to see how the newer generation sees life. I realize that most of the members here are too young to know what cars were like "back in the day" before widespread usage of cats. Normal automotive exhaust "back then" (without cats) always had this syrup and burnt gas smell, and it was considered normal. Not saying the smell is desirable, just making an amusing observation.

SRT-11

so where's the how-to/DIY on this? Come on!

stillhere153

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they haven't shipped yet man lol

JCL622

hey do you know if richie is still taking orders? or is his first batch already filled out.

MichaelBenz

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Yes...he is still taking orders but has already ordered the first batch. If you get in before they come in...you can get them cheaper then afterwards. He ordered 50 sets to go into production if I recall correctly. There are still some spots left.

SRT-11

word. I've payed the deposit, when does he need the remaining $$ by? I'm thinking about coughing it up with my next paycheck friday.

stillhere153

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Well if you want him to ship them out like he did with his jpipe's... on a first paid first shipped basis... pay up meng heheeh

JCL622

how much were they again? if you can't post the info here (cant remember if that breaks any forum rules) just PM me

MSL-DPL

So how much u paid and wat site can I get them from

stillhere153

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you can only get these by pm'ing "richie v6" he does not run the group buy here for whatever reason... the group buy is over on v6 performance.net....

the price can not be disclosed because he is not a vendor... but it is cheaper than an intake lol



they are shipping out later this week... sooooo you guys who are fronting gonna have to pay like $50 more once he gets them

bent09

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Hopefully you get them shortly so I can get my procats

I hate cars

I'm hoping this helps with my pinging problem a little... Sometimes freeing up the exhaust will help. I had my girlfiend floor my car when I was next to it and it hisses pretty bad. There's a restriction somewhere.

SRT-11

when do they ship, tomorrow? I'm all paid up, I want them bad!!!

PeteThaPitbull

interesting

BLACKURA_NY

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cant wait to get mine