Ok, so I am getting Ported and Polished intake manifold and runners for my 06 base TL. the person doing the work is reputable however I am conflicted.

I have asked about Port matched gaskets and the response I got was to use Copper Silicone. something inside me says done use silicone for gaskets, let along in a place like that.

am I over thinking this and it is fine or should I really be using Port matched Gaskets?

Thanks,

 

aren't you having the IM and runners matched to the gaskets? why would you need a different shaped gasket? my IM and runners were ported to match the OEM gasket (the gasket has larger openings than the oem ports)

either way i would still recommend an actual gasket over copper silicone

 

PNP is new to me so i may be way off.

so a stock gasket should work on most PNP Jobs?

 

Since you are doing the P&P jobs you should also get a mdx spacer

The stock oem gasket would be hard to bore since it's of medal of some sort, get a plastic gasket and get it bore to match the new opennings it will aslo serve as a heat stopper to keep the IM cooler...

 

I think it was on this site I have read people have problems with the spacer when the go PNP. idle issues?

 

Buy new OEM gaskets, give'em to your PnP guy and tell him to match the PnP to the gaskets, and you're all set.

PnP your TB while you're at it.

 

junk idea

 

yea you need to give him a stock gasket so that he knows what size to port to. what size is he porting to if you haven't given him a gasket?? if i remember correctly, make sure you don't port the side that goes to the heads, otherwise you're going to have a ledge on the heads and it won't help performance.

so you only port the side to the IM. port the IM and the top of the runners to the stock gasket, or open them up larger and make/buy a larger opening gasket.

also bore your TB like suggested above, just send your TB into maxbore or buy my extra TB for super cheap

to be honest there are some great PnP threads on here, i think you should read up what has worked for this engine and let your guy know...seems like he's going his own route without any direction and won't give you the results you could be getting

 

Im sure bruce wont fuck it up.

 

I'm not worried about quality of product or work I'm questioning preferred way of gaskets

 

Hes gonna have to have a gasket with him to match. Yours that you have right now are going to be a different size than the new IM.

 

Here what my runners look like. I still need to port my magnesium IM since they are 3mm too small.

 

Are you porting them yourself?

 

I'm fully bolt on with injen intake, rv6 precats, rv6 jpipe, true dual exhaust, pulley, and ported and polished intake manifold and runners and ported and polished head and only gained 15 whp. Does anyone know the problem?

 

Yea, the dyno is fucked up lol.

 

I dynoed it on two dynos and the same numbers?

 

Need Hondata?

 

I am on hondata tuned.?

 

What was your numbers.

 

240 whp
197 torque

 

Mustang dyno? If not something wrong

 

Both were dyno jet and we don't know what's wrong

 

If anyone can help me or had this problem? Please help?

 

are you using hondata base map? Or did you have someone either Etune or Dyno tune it? Because to be honest your car lack tq. Maybe post up a dyno graph.

Second thing might be that you need a compression test done.

 

Yeah I had it dyno tuned and it made that little power and how do you know if you need compression test ?

 

Well you don't know when you need you. You just do one to rule out bent valves, and leak down to rule out damage piston rings.

 

Okay. What are other people making with my set up ??

 

should be at least 260whp and 230wtq. would be my guess.

 

Are you 6MT 3.2?

Who did the heads? They may have altered the flow characteristics in a bad way.

 

How does it run? Numbers seem low enough that the cam(s) could possibly be a tooth off.

 

what i was thinking

 

I'm at AT 3.2 and Paul did them. And it runs pretty well.

 

 

That's my timing

 

So if you're 5AT and running Flashpro, you must be '07 or '08. Some 5ATs have shown as low as 205 whp stock, so who knows. But you're saying you dynoed 225 stock? That's very high for the 5AT base. Same dyno?

 

It dynoed 224 with jpipe and intake and flash pro. I checked compression is good. I will take car in Tomorow to double check timing. And same dyno.

 

So after adding the PCDs, cat back, pulley and having all the porting and polishing done, you gained another 16 whp. It could be that all those gains came from just the PCDs, cat back and pulley. There's not enough empirical data on porting on these engines to say if it really does anything, unfortunately. Until someone goes through the work and expense of countless hours of flow bench and dyno time, it's all a shot in the dark.

Did you re-tune after the second round of mods or are you still on the same map?

 

^ sure it does. Atlas.46 made 20whp with PnP and TLs camshaft. I'll look for the graph

didn't I love car show improvement with PnP and camshaft also?

 

One or two examples doesn't make it tried and true. ILC was done properly by King's, utilizing a flow bench. And still, the bulk of his gains were from the cams. As far as Atlas, IIRC, his car didn't get any quicker after the heads were done. I'm not saying it won't add power, but too many people just think they can yank their heads and start going to town with a die grinder and get massive gains. The J isn't like a Fox body 5.0 where you could bolt on a set of Trick Flow heads and pick up an instant 35 horsepower. Today's cars have pretty well designed heads.

 

pcds and pnp work together pretty damn well. you shoulda seen damn good gains from that. unless your pnp job was fcked up. I mean anything can happen