Not Another CAI Question!?
I will be purchasing a CAI for my 07 TL-S in the not to distant future. When looking at them on the internet it looks like alot of them need to go behind the bumper, whereas some kits like the K&N Typhoon just jut right of the engine and don't go below the bumper. My car has the A-Spec body kit I and I am not sure I wanna go taking that off. Is there a big difference in these two types of CAI?

Thanks,
Jesse

 

You mean other than 1 sucks hot engine air and one sucks cool bumper area air?

The TL-S intake is already a "psuedo" CAI. Why go backward with a short intake?

 

so your saying that the one that guys behind the bumper is the upgrade whereas putting on a short one is taking a step backwards...

 

Yes. A few HP and much better sound.

CAI is does not mean "More Air Intake", right? It's "Cold Air Intake".

Cold air has moire O2 per unit volume (per liter, say). More 02 means you need more fuel for complete combustion. More fuel + more O2 = more power.

The object is to get the coolest air possible. Under any normal condition your car will *never* have an issue getting enough air (~3.5 liters per full cycle). But to pack more O2 into that same volume, the air must be denser; that means cooler.

The cooler the better for making HP. It's why our cars run so much better in spring/fall compared to summer.

 

that AEM does not make the V2 for the 07-08 TL-S?

 

yes.

however 03-07 v6 accord works.

 

OP- there's no need to start a thread every time you have a question. You can do a search to see if your question has already been answered before (9/10 it has) or you post your new question in the thread you already have running.

Both your threads have been merged for continuity.

 

Just trying to be funny ggesq....but possibly he needs to review here....

http://gprime.net/flash.php/postingandyou

 

Thank you. I've been preaching this forever.

 

Though conditions may interfere with the CAI, dont downgrade. Go with the CAI to get as much out of your TL.

 

I think this should be stickied....

Oh yeah, don't get a short ram intake, Unless you live in flood prone areas, it's not worth it.

 

It's not soo much the "cold" air portion as every stock air box/intake system is basically 75% a cold air intake.

CAI- feeds same temperature air from OUTSIDE the engine bay
stock airbox and piping- feeds same temp air from OUTSIDE engine bay as a magic cai
short ram- feeds underhood hot air from INSIDE the engine bay, and due to its location...all the radiant heat from exhaust, transmission, and the engine in general result in what most call "heat soak"

When the engine reaches operating temp. and is ran for a bit, the temperatures under the hood regardless of how hot would still result in the same temp. air sucked in by the stock airbox piping as a CAI.
However if you had a short ram intake(SRI) then you would be basically going backwards in power gains from stock once operating temp is reached. as you would be sucking in hot air.

The "CAI" name is more of an advertising thing then anything else.
The gain over a stock airbox system is in the PIPING smoothness, length, and filter.

It just wouldn't sell as good if they called it a long pipe intake or smooth pipe intake... SPI? LPI?

 

well here's the update...I purchased a AEM CAI and will be installing it tomorrow(yes on Christmas day...I just can't wait). There a few threads here talking about installing the unit through the wheel well instead of taking the bumpers off. The directions acutally show the wheel well method, I am going to take pics during the process and try to start a new "how to" threads with pics. This will be the first performace mod I have ever done. I am hoping my lack of experience will not be a huge factor when it comes time to install.

Jesse

 

good luck jesse. looking forward to your write up.

 

here's a video i just uploaded trying to catch the bov sound by hitting the gas for a bit and letting off. it'll only be noticeably in a certain RPM as you let off. the whistle is different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYYbh2vMFFA

watch in high quality or you won't hear the BOV type sound from the intake

 

Do you even know what a blow off valve is? This sounds NOTHING like a BOV pal. And honestly...this has to be one of the most ricer posts posted on this site this year. Please dont go out telling others that your TL sounds like it has a BOV on it...we have a hard enough time getting respect now.

And for the record...here is what a REAL blow off valve sounds like...ok? And it sounds NOTHING like a CAI.



Sorry...dont mean to flame you...but calling a CAI sound out as a BOV sound...is VERY wrong and VERY rice.

 

LOL. I saw that post and decided to keep my mouth shut, but you said what I was going to say. I had someone from work in the car the other day and he kept asking what that funny noise was.

 

Sick video. I always wanted to drive out on an airfield. I work in aviation and have always thought of how awesome it would be to go screaming down runway 31L at JFK (14,572 feet of smooth strait asphalt...mmmm)

 

No hard feelings taken. Just thinking out loud. I just thought the pitch sounded somewhat similar to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwM8ZptY2Yo

But again, sorry.

 

Just dont let it happen again...lol. Your 17....you will soon learn what I am talking about....trust me. But no....CAI's to me anyway....dont sound like that at all.

Now if you knew me....you would know I am just ribbing the shit out of you....nothing more. As to your PM and its direct relation to how or what a CAI does....no relation whatsoever. If you wanted that sound my friend...you could have gotten yourself one of these bad boys right here....



http://turbowhistler.net/


So you see....when you go saying things "sound" like a blow off valve...this is what you are going to get tossed at you like dollar bills at a dancer....and subsequently flamed for. Its a majorly "riced out" thing to talk about honestly.

 

I've removed my AEM CAI after it broke... horrible weld job on those. I've put the stock back on without the resonator, running K&N filter.. The only thing I miss is the sound. Performance did not change at all. Maybe in the summer I'll notice the difference with hotter air.

Funny thing, when I've moved the temp sensor from the intake back to engine, the throttle response improved? suppose to do the opposite, lol. Also the vibration that I had in the steering wheel at the a red light became softer.

Again, I miss the sound, the aggression, I might fabricate a custom intake as I did for my 2G.

 

Oddly enough...there have been a LOT of people on here that have been running AEM CAI's for MANY moons with no issues whatsoever. Most that had breaking welds on the mount had spacers installed or didnt really align it correctly to begin with. (improper installation basically) What is your mod list? Just wondering.

 

^ I do not baby my TL-S. I drive it hard. My thing snapped while coming out of a sharp turn with hard acceleration. The welds are crap. I had this problem. Al (stillhere) had this problem. George (tripnbeats) had this problem. So we all have installed it incorrectly?

I'll make a custom one. I'll return to my broken AEM, but with different mounts.

 

1click something or other had the problem, jguerra had the problem, blackura had the problem, gift monster had the problem

it clearly isn't isolated...

 

But is it isolated to AEM, or are people facing a similar problem with Fujita, Injen, etc

 

I think you are being so defensive here...my point totally flew over your head. I asked for your mod list...not who all had the problem. Most of these people had the thermo spacers installed...that was my point. A matter of fact...it seems to me that MOST if not all of the people that had this issue had these spacers installed. THATS what I am trying to figure out.

And its not a matter of if the welds are crap or not....its a matter of exactly WHAT is causing the issue on THIS model car. If the welds flat sucked....EVERY model car running the AEM would have this issue...but to me...it seems semi isolated to specific issues.

So you see....its not even worth getting all defensive over guys.....its a fact finding mission. You should know that. Damn....I ask for a mod list. Never figured that would make someone defensive toward another...that is unless you lack total self confidence, which I doubt would be the case. Its all about finding the common denominator....and I feel there is definately one.

And BTW...who GAF how you drive your car? A CAI is kind of made to enhance just that isnt it? Power and flow. So its not that I am arguing the welds are AOK.....but more like...what causes so many of these to go bad on the 3rd gen TL....but not globally. If it was global failure....AEM would pull em off the market my friend. So something is up here...just trying to determine the common denominator...which I am thinking is the thermo spacers. Matter of fact....I believe there is somebody else on here with the same feeling and wrote a thread about it saying to cut off a little bit from the end after installing the thermo spacers in order to retain the desired position...and I thought that was a good theory. Just testing it folks.

 

Update from my last post:
I was not able to get the install yesterday, however I will deff do it on sunday my next day off. Report to follow.
Jesse

 

WHO SAID IT WAS? But I am betting dollars to donuts that there is a universal or common denominator here. Like Thermoblok or P2R spacers possibly tossing off the correct desired alignment position? In an initial asking....pretty much everybody that had these issues was running thermo spacers. Just wondering if the same holds true still.

I have my theories....dont really care if anybody believes them or not frankly. But asking in order to learn. I have always marched to my own drum guys. And if I am asking...you can bet there is a learning motive behind it. Am I saying everybody is an idiot and installed it incorrectly? No. Am I saying anything outside of theory here? No. But all you guys have a theory apparently too, right? That its just because the welds suck.

Well...in my experience.....95% of the people are wrong about 90% of the time....which is why I do my OWN analysis of facts rather than to follow the crowd to a quick decision. Some of the worlds most difficult and conversely...easy issues have been solved this way- By some guy who didnt believe the masses without doing their own research. This is why I ask. Because again....95% of the people are wrong 90% of the time when people get on opinion bandwagons.

 

speaking of aem cai's, my bracket just broke off. I don't think it's the welds though at all, but the tubing. Seems like it's so weak because it broke around the weld...

just wondering but is this malleable under high temperatures in the engine bay? enough for it to maybe slightly crack

btw, NO SPACERS

 

Now thats a good theory! Hmm...

But no....the heat doesnt get that hot that its going to make it soft at all.

Perhaps its the welding rod stock they are using? Thats another possibility? Good information...thanks!