sloppyjoe92

I Hate repost just as much as the next guy, But I can't seem to find the forum for N/A tuned Tl. I know a guy on acurazine got his N/A TL 300HP and I believe was increasing it. I would like to follow that same path, so if any one has any pointers, links, stories, and what ever you have it. Hit me with it!! Thx

SharksBreath

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gerzand is his name. youtube vids are out there.

i'm not sure if he has a full mod list or not, but with his username...you should be able to find a bunch with a google search.

sloppyjoe92

Anyone have tips on what I should be looking into to get my setup??

thisaznboi88

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if you want big power N/A be prepared to pay for it.

Pre cat delete
j-pipe
port and polish runners and intake manifold
cams
five angle head job
pulley
catback
J&R ECU
p2r spacer and gasket?

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

sloppyjoe92

I have pulley, spacer n gasket, but what are cams and five angle head job?

thisaznboi88

iTrader: (7)

cams = camshafts, e.g. bisimoto

5 angle head porting job = take the head off the car and get it port and polish
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0703...s/viewall.html

its all the hardcore stuff.

swoosh

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SloppyJoe....Sharky is on point....Andy (gerzand) has the fastest TL 5AT....he was at one point in the 330's when he sold his TL for a TL-S 6MT....

I am trying to be the next Andy i guess, I am fully bolted on, all mods you can think of and will be doing heads and cams soon....if you want more info you can check out my built thread....link is in my sig....

Andy had not gutted his interior, an additional mod which am doing....I will be trying to save ~500 lbs of weight....check it out....

KzooTL

Yeah i remember stumbling on that guy when searching youtube


The car in this video is running that stage 2 cam from bismoto

swoosh

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^^^ it was

he sold it for a Type S 6MT....i almost cried a tear....well he swapped out (in process of) everything from the Base to the Type S.....I think he has couple other mods up his sleeve....on the type S 6MT he might just get higher than 350 and close to

Inaccurate

Related reading -

Stock TL... How can I make it fast??? (click here)

swoosh

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^^^ you know what Tim.....your HP calculations might be RIGHT on the money....

if you see the video again, he starts at ~14 second mark....reaches 60 ~20 seconds, 80 ~24 seconds and 100~29 seconds.....

so:
0-60: 6 seconds
0-80: 10 seconds
0-100: 15 seconds....

i think your gutted car can get the quicker ??? since am not a video guru those timings are just what it seem to the naked eye....maybe you can dig into it

am just thinking if i get to 350whp and drop down to ~3000lbs, damn its gonna be a fun to drive car :wink:

KidChenz89

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how fun is it to drive with out an interior?!?

swoosh

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^^^ well it depends....

i am only gonna loose the stuff i dont use....like the rear seats, spare tires, front seats for racing seats....

if mine was a dedicated track car like Rex (villo) or if i had the motivation of Tim (Inaccurate) i would have without a second thought gutted everything....

and its not only making it quicker, you can navigate turns so much better....your car becomes so much more "predictable"

Inaccurate

and responsive. So responsive to the point of being hyper. It requires full attention from the driver due to the responsiveness. Many times, I am glad to drive the wife's car just so I can relax from watching ever little twitch of the steering wheel, every slight touch of the gas pedal, and applying brakes gently so the person behind me does rear end me.

KzooTL

If you have a track car then the biggest, least expensive gains can be had from weight reduction.

I don't see any real gains being made without removal of seats and gutting of interior/trunk. When you do that the road noise increases significantly, and lack of seats make my friends think i don't want passengers haha.

swoosh

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^^^ well there is a start....

just by emptying out our trunk and rear seat and adding racing seats up front, you are dropping close to 450 lbs....

the reason i took them off was coz i never never use the rear seats....plus the road noise (i figured out) comes from only 1 area and if you put back the insulation there (3-4 lbs) then there is no more road noise !!!

Inaccurate

I am seeing 213 LBS reduction, not 450 Lbs. What am I missing? Please remember that items are restricted to "our trunk and rear seat and adding racing seats up front" as per your statement. Please don't give people the wrong idea that this is easy. It ain't and it requires a lot of sacrifices that many (including you) are not able or not willing to make.

84.0 Racing seats and racing restraint system (see Warning #3 below)
36.0 Rear seat delete
34.0 Spare tire delete
23.0 Trunk panels
10.0 Front seat kick panels
8.5 Seatbelts for rear seat
6.0 Rear seat arm rest
5.5 Rear deck
3.7 Rear seat insulation
2.5 Rear Floor mats (estimated weight)
1.5 Trunk damper
1.2 Trunk panel over latch
< put back the insulation there (3-4 lbs)>
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213 TOTAL LBS

Atlas.46

a dead body in the trunk?

Inaccurate

^

gwiffer

iTrader: (7)

@Inaccurate: What is the final weight bias of your car F/R?

I'm wondering if it would be comparable to a J-swapped civic/integra. Though, I assume that the longer wheelbase of the TL should give it less front bias over the shorter wheelbase civic/integra models.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

Actually couple things

84 Racing seats and racing restraint system (see Warning #3 below)
44 Reduced fuel (buy just 3.0 gallons at a time)
36 Rear seat delete
34 Spare tire delete
31 Interior trim & misc pieces
27.5 Braille battery
24 Interior carpet
23 Trunk panels
17.5 Parking brake and lever (see Warning #1 below)
17 Front bumper
16 Rear bumper
14 RV6 Precat delete (incl race pipe & misc brackets)
12 Front floor mats, All season + Carpet
10 Front seat kick panels
9 Rear floor mats, All season + Carpet
8.5 Seatbelts for rear seat
8 CAI
7.5 Front damper
7 UR crank pulley
6 Engine bay panels
6 Rear seat arm rest
5.5 Ground effect panels
5.5 Rear deck
4 Reduced wiper fluid (use 1 pint at a time)
3.7 Rear seat insulation
3.5 Windshield washer reservoir (incl pint of water)
2.5 Innovative engine mounts
2.4 Owner manual
1.9 Rear Diffuser plastic panel
1.8 Hood insulation
1.5 Trunk damper
1.4 Kick panels under front dash
1.2 Trunk panel over latch
-----------------------------
476.9 TOTAL LBS

Also in the list i didnt include the insulation. You can pick and choose from the list....I also did not include the following:

18 Firewall Insulation
14 Rear door interior panels
13 Radio delete
12 Center console
9.9 Evap charcoal canister (see Warning #4 below)
9 Side curtain airbags (see Warning #2 below)
5.5 Center console armrest
5 Headliner
3.7 Rear seat insulation
3.5 Engine cradle damper
3.5 Small airbags in front seats (see Warning #2 below)
3.4 Glovebox delete
1.8 EGR Delete
1.2 Airbag brackets & radio antenna booster
1 Exhaust heat shield
-----------------------------
104.5 TOTAL LBS

So totaling: 581.4 LBS

in the above 479.6 total I included couple mods which I had already done suck as Intake and PCD's and Crank Pulley (braille battery) is coming.....if you take those out, you will be ~325-350 lbs....

It's easier for us to copy/imitate you as you have everything done and so well documented....i prolly would have gone crazy trying to document and keep everything organized like you have done.....

by the way Tim, in no way I was suggesting this is easy.....i was suggesting this is rewarding

callahan

This is a pretty good thread to read up on,
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/j32-na-project-opel-ihatecars-please-join-749155/#post11451678

Inaccurate

Swoosh,

We seem to still be having a communication problem. My point was and still is that you said

"just by emptying out our trunk and rear seat and adding racing seats up front, you are dropping close to 450 lbs...."

I think that you over looked this below in my last reply to you

"What am I missing? Please remember that items are restricted to "our trunk and rear seat and adding racing seats up front" as per your statement."

You said items related to the trunk and seats. So, you are allowed to only pick those related items from the overall list to keep in compliance with your statement.

Plus. I think that any normal person would think that you meant that it was easy by your choice of words

" just by ...... you are dropping close to 450 lbs. "


Are you sure that you didn't have a dead body in your trunk ?

swoosh

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^^^ baaah you suck Tim LOL

i tend to be casual on an internet forum.....if you go thro my list of 450 lbs its all (mostly) interior items....my point being loosing weight is easy...you can loose around 300 lbs of weight without doing much and loosing anything....

again the reason its easy is coz its all well documented (by you).....am not saying the weight loss is for all.....if you use your rear seats regularly, forget about the weight loss coming from within the cabin, look else where.....

again i think owe and apology coz i might have belittled your work (and hence your pissed at me).....but i only meant its rewarding....you might be making a compromise of not carrying rear seats or getting your butt sore from sitting in a racing seat, but its all rewarding in the end.....

Inaccurate

Swoosh,

We are ok buddy

I was just hoping to clear-up the communication gap. But, at least I cleared it up for the other readers hopefully. Moving on.....

Actually, the racing seats are very comfortable. Seriously.

phatrick

I think you need to watch this episode of Jeremy Clarkson where he runs two cars against each other, one thats newer, that weights less and has more power, but still loses in a drag run.

I'm just getting bored of running into topics and seeing numbers, after numbers, after numbers. Driving conditions, tires, fluid/oil conditions, tranny condition, actual driver's driving ability, coefficient drag, those are all things people forget about that could matter much more than horsies. ESP considering our cars are FWD and have massive torque steer. (even more so for you 5AT guys without LSD)

I just think it's a waste to do it on a 5AT. If powers the way to go, go MT. Theres a world of a difference between tiptronic and manual trannys.

BTW Tim, was 84 the total lbs of the two stock seats? Or 84 the amount left over after you calculated your seats and brackets? Cus I'm sure since my seats recline and have sliders and the wedge bracket, I lost marginally less weight than you there.

anx1300c

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I don't know where that 320 whp is going if it takes over 15 seconds to get to 100 mph. A 6MT needs only ~250 whp to do it in 14 seconds flat.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ well see the video again....he starts off a little slow (no tire spin) and redlines every gear to 100....so maybe another second to his advantage...say 14 seconds ???

again am not trying to belittle everything....am just trying to find out for myself is a 320 whp car gets to 60 in 5-6 seconds and a gutted car gets to 60 in 4.9 seconds (i remember Tim posting a video).....what will a 320 whp gutted car will do

but as i mentioned

Inaccurate

Funny that you should mention this. When I was replying to Swoosh above, this is just of one of the prime reasons why I said it ain't that easy. If the person isn't careful in their decisions (and really committed), the weight savings can be squandered (wasted) in the execution of the mod.

Below is an excerpt from the Racing Seat Update in TL Diet thread (click here) -

"My goal was to get at least a 80 pound reduction (not 78, not 79). It was not easy. Various mounting brackets were always daring to spoil the weight savings. If I was not vigilant, the brackets and fasteners would had easily eroded much of the weight savings. Most obviously, I could not afford (weight wise) the sliding rails to allow the seat to be adjustable."

All of my TL Diet Updates list the *net* savings. That is, I list the end results after adding things to aid the removal of said piece(s). So in the case of the racing seats, the 84.0 Lbs is including the weight added from the brackets.

This is covered in the TL Diet thread in the Racing Seat Update (click here). Below is that information -

Here's the math for the weight removed.

63.0 lbs oem driver seat
58.0 lbs oem passenger seat
24.0 lbs oem restraints (seat belts, retractors, etc.)
-------------------
145.0 lbs Total for oem system


20.5 lbs racing seat driver
20.5 lbs racing seat passenger
10.0 lbs seat brackets and fasteners
5.0 lbs racing harness driver
3.0 lbs racing harness passenger
2.0 lbs harness anchors
----------------------------
61.0 lbs Total for racing system


145.0 lbs Total for oem system
-61.0 lbs Total for racing system
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84.0 lbs TOTAL REMOVED