Kikazz Acura TL Type S Jandr Turbo Kit Transformation begins in 3 days 550 whp goal
#243
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
As with kikazz build its hard to compare to his price build. ,reason is he was determined to reach his goal so on parts we recommended and didn't have as yet or tested he actually help and funded us on most of parts for his car ,no to mention quite a few overtime bac and fourth ,piston on rush order just a bunch of stuff.....
A quick break down turbo kit 5799+200 shipping
Minus 340 of total which takes aem fic out of equation
Ecu is 1395 shipped lowest cost we can offer
That above price will bring you to 420 whp pump gas...
Now to accommodate kikazz setup more attention and money is needed
Clutch 2000
Pistons est....1100
Rods est ....1100-1300
Full valvetrain......1175
Fuel return kit .....mm
A quick break down turbo kit 5799+200 shipping
Minus 340 of total which takes aem fic out of equation
Ecu is 1395 shipped lowest cost we can offer
That above price will bring you to 420 whp pump gas...
Now to accommodate kikazz setup more attention and money is needed
Clutch 2000
Pistons est....1100
Rods est ....1100-1300
Full valvetrain......1175
Fuel return kit .....mm
#244
I know there are going to be a lot of people looking at that sort of price tag and thinking that it's outrageous... But I can attest to the fact that reaching a goal like this (and beyond) is very, very expensive. There are things like rod & main bearings, gasket kits, timing belt kit, motor mounts, head bolts/studs... the list goes on and on and that's before you get to other performance items like bigger injectors, meth kit, head work, cams, tuning, etc...
One factor that plays big into the final price tag is just how much can you do yourself versus how much are you going to need to send out to a shop to have them do. The shop rate could be anywhere from $70/hr to $150/hr.
It all depends on what your end goals are. If you want to max out at 560, you could probably do it for less. But I have a feeling that we haven't yet seen the limit of the numbers this car is capable of pushing out.
One factor that plays big into the final price tag is just how much can you do yourself versus how much are you going to need to send out to a shop to have them do. The shop rate could be anywhere from $70/hr to $150/hr.
It all depends on what your end goals are. If you want to max out at 560, you could probably do it for less. But I have a feeling that we haven't yet seen the limit of the numbers this car is capable of pushing out.
#247
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iTrader: (33)
gawd damn those videos are clutch. thanks for sharing them with us.
your TL is completely rowdy, i really admire the amount of work and dedication you and everyone involved has put into it. well done guys.
i'm getting even more interested in the new ECU, keep us posted on release dates for public. thanks.
your TL is completely rowdy, i really admire the amount of work and dedication you and everyone involved has put into it. well done guys.
i'm getting even more interested in the new ECU, keep us posted on release dates for public. thanks.
#248
Team Owner
I know there are going to be a lot of people looking at that sort of price tag and thinking that it's outrageous... But I can attest to the fact that reaching a goal like this (and beyond) is very, very expensive. There are things like rod & main bearings, gasket kits, timing belt kit, motor mounts, head bolts/studs... the list goes on and on and that's before you get to other performance items like bigger injectors, meth kit, head work, cams, tuning, etc...
One factor that plays big into the final price tag is just how much can you do yourself versus how much are you going to need to send out to a shop to have them do. The shop rate could be anywhere from $70/hr to $150/hr.
It all depends on what your end goals are. If you want to max out at 560, you could probably do it for less. But I have a feeling that we haven't yet seen the limit of the numbers this car is capable of pushing out.
One factor that plays big into the final price tag is just how much can you do yourself versus how much are you going to need to send out to a shop to have them do. The shop rate could be anywhere from $70/hr to $150/hr.
It all depends on what your end goals are. If you want to max out at 560, you could probably do it for less. But I have a feeling that we haven't yet seen the limit of the numbers this car is capable of pushing out.
#249
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
gawd damn those videos are clutch. thanks for sharing them with us.
your TL is completely rowdy, i really admire the amount of work and dedication you and everyone involved has put into it. well done guys.
i'm getting even more interested in the new ECU, keep us posted on release dates for public. thanks.
your TL is completely rowdy, i really admire the amount of work and dedication you and everyone involved has put into it. well done guys.
i'm getting even more interested in the new ECU, keep us posted on release dates for public. thanks.
#250
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^great news.
i'm in the A/T crowd so i'll be subscribed to this thread and future ones with info on this.
thanks.
i'm in the A/T crowd so i'll be subscribed to this thread and future ones with info on this.
thanks.
#253
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Definetly will without changing vtec crossover and with primary cats in place we've seen 27+ whp and 35+ lb tq ....more usable power in low rpm range and power doesn't fall off as quick with new ecu
#255
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion but the ecu will be effective in any setup ,the ecu cost is very reasonable judging its all a plug and play unit all luxury functions still works drivebywire still in place pretuned map ,any real performance enthusias knows the power and ability to adjust parameters example instead of 250whp @6700 this is can be made at 5000 rpm ,making power where you drive car daily is one big difference which we've experience here at jandr ,the price was kept at lowest cost possible ,we didn't just price it because nothing is out there that's not the case as a matter a fact we understand why no one probably bother as car is quite a bit complicated and somewhat hard to keep.everything working ..
#257
Team Owner
With all of these new gains, I'm going to have to look the other way and ignore it if I see one of these turbo TLs in the GN lol.
#258
Suzuka Master
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How do you figure? Roughly the same price as a catback and intake combined, with much better gains. Personally though, I think I'll do cams and some porting first, and then see how I sit power-wise at that point.
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#261
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iTrader: (33)
my 07 tl type-s is fully bolted. precats, jpipe, exhaust, etc...what will this new ECU do for me?
any testing been done on something like this yet? any more info you can give me?
#266
Pro
#267
I got the Shifts
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your reasoning is way off.. 2000 crank hp and the car only puts down 1400 to the wheels? thats a 30-40% power loss....more than our TL's...
the stock veyron puts down a 10.4 quarter mile at 139 mph.
in a 4486lb car that translates to 788.22HP roughly using the following formula
Hp=(Weight) / ((ET/5.825)^3)
This leaves us with a more reasonable amount of powertrain loss of 21.28% using the 1001 crank hp figure and the 788hp estimated WHP using trap time.
if the veyron in fact made 1400whp it would run a 1/4 at about 8.5-9@14X-15xmph...a time NO veryron has put down.
bye bye now
#268
Team Owner
i think YOU should do some research. the Veyron makes 1001 Ps at the crank--thats about 987hp CRANK but they round it off...
your reasoning is way off.. 2000 crank hp and the car only puts down 1400 to the wheels? thats a 30-40% power loss....more than our TL's...
the stock veyron puts down a 10.4 quarter mile at 139 mph.
in a 4486lb car that translates to 788.22HP roughly using the following formula
Hp=(Weight) / ((ET/5.825)^3)
This leaves us with a more reasonable amount of powertrain loss of 21.28% using the 1001 crank hp figure and the 788hp estimated WHP using trap time.
if the veyron in fact made 1400whp it would run a 1/4 at about 8.5-9@14X-15xmph...a time NO veryron has put down.
bye bye now
your reasoning is way off.. 2000 crank hp and the car only puts down 1400 to the wheels? thats a 30-40% power loss....more than our TL's...
the stock veyron puts down a 10.4 quarter mile at 139 mph.
in a 4486lb car that translates to 788.22HP roughly using the following formula
Hp=(Weight) / ((ET/5.825)^3)
This leaves us with a more reasonable amount of powertrain loss of 21.28% using the 1001 crank hp figure and the 788hp estimated WHP using trap time.
if the veyron in fact made 1400whp it would run a 1/4 at about 8.5-9@14X-15xmph...a time NO veryron has put down.
bye bye now
#269
All motor
Is that your most up-to-date run in your sig? If so, Idk since the Veyron traps 12mph more and ET is very similar. Either way I'd supposed it'd be a good run
#270
Team Owner
That was nearly 10 years ago with 100hp less and an extra 450lbs. Its never been to the track with the current combo. I know what it should run but until it runs the number its not worth mentioning.
#273
Team Owner
Nah, I had the same combo starting 10 years ago. Haven't been to the track in this car in around 4-5 years but I've been a few times a year in other peoples' rides. Current combo was done around 4 years ago. Never dyno'd it with the old combo, it's just a guess that it made around 500 to the wheels based on the 1/4 time.
Now if only I had the finances to get it back on the road to prove what it has been capable of for a long time. I think the ZR1 was the quickest stock street car I've ever run and it wasn't a close race but being on slicks it wasn't exactly a fair race. With the pressure on me to start a family soon, it may not happen for a very long time.
Now if only I had the finances to get it back on the road to prove what it has been capable of for a long time. I think the ZR1 was the quickest stock street car I've ever run and it wasn't a close race but being on slicks it wasn't exactly a fair race. With the pressure on me to start a family soon, it may not happen for a very long time.
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#278
All motor
Well in that case, I'd say the car is good for 9s. 450lb weight reduction, plus 100hp on an already 10 sec car....I'd guess around 9.6-9.7 @134-136. Damn, that's fast.
#280
Safety Car
There is an approx 10% difference.
The difference will be felt by the pistons, head gasket, and cylinder walls.
That is, the 3.2 will need to have approx 10% more cylinder pressure to equal the same output from a 3.5.
In other words, you will need to stress the 3.2 engine by 10% more than the 3.5 engine.
Another way of viewing it is as follows. If we assume both engines have the identical mechanical strength (in the cylinder walls, pistons, and head gasket), then the 3.2 will only be able to make 90% of the power compared to the 3.5 before failure occurred in either engine.
The following was a very simplistic explanation. Results in real life could differ. Science is tricky, meaning that this explanation does not take into considerations other aspects that could come into play.
The difference will be felt by the pistons, head gasket, and cylinder walls.
That is, the 3.2 will need to have approx 10% more cylinder pressure to equal the same output from a 3.5.
In other words, you will need to stress the 3.2 engine by 10% more than the 3.5 engine.
Another way of viewing it is as follows. If we assume both engines have the identical mechanical strength (in the cylinder walls, pistons, and head gasket), then the 3.2 will only be able to make 90% of the power compared to the 3.5 before failure occurred in either engine.
The following was a very simplistic explanation. Results in real life could differ. Science is tricky, meaning that this explanation does not take into considerations other aspects that could come into play.
Last edited by Inaccurate; 04-30-2011 at 02:40 AM.