J-Series has immense potential
04-27-2012, 04:37 PM
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J-Series has immense potential
the j-series has immense potential people have gotten 450whp+ on stock engines. when they start out at 200whp... i dont see why more aftermarket companies and things dont look into our engines for a swap. the j-series has immense potential n/a and forced induction... the only thing our car lacks is a good ecu to start with but if its going to be high powered it would be a stand alone anyways. i would love to see our engines become more popular.
04-27-2012, 07:09 PM
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The J engine is already a very popular swap. So much so that there is an entire website dedicated to it -
www.j32a.com
www.j32a.com
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04-27-2012, 09:15 PM
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04-27-2012, 09:54 PM
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Hasn't the J series been out since like 1996? Honda needs to move on to bigger and better things already IMO. I don't want to see a 3.9L 5th Gen TL with 315hp.
From what I've seen most companies are switching to turbos and decreasing displacement these days.
From what I've seen most companies are switching to turbos and decreasing displacement these days.
04-27-2012, 10:19 PM
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It would also be nice for Honda to get rid of the incredibly outdated vtec and go to DOHC to use variable cam phasing not only for performance but to eliminate the need for an EGR valve. I can't believe a company that basically invented variable valve timing and lift is so far behind the times compared to everyone else. A typical Ford truck has much more technology in their engines than we do. This is coming from a guy that races an old pushrod engine so take it with a grain of salt.
I'm kind of glad they've waited for other manufacturers to sort out the teething problems of DI. Some of the Audi, VW, and Porsche along with a handful of Toyotas have had some really nasty problems. They're helping to bring back the 3,000 mile oil change lol.
04-30-2012, 09:32 PM
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The J engine is already a very popular swap. So much so that there is an entire website dedicated to it -
www.j32a.com
www.j32a.com
the new nsx is suppose to have a j-series engine. itll be nice to see what they throw into that engine if they are going to make it a performer or not since it will be a hybrid. and itd be even better if the parts would be swappable into ours and technology being able to be taken from it and used in our older engines.
04-30-2012, 09:33 PM
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05-01-2012, 07:42 AM
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, so its all good
05-01-2012, 09:29 AM
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Here's what HONDATA said: "It takes a long time and costs a lot of money to develop an ECU solution, and there would never be a pay off for J-Series. To give you an idea of the work invovled, we started work on the 06 Civic in October 2005, and released something in June 2009 for the release of Flashpro".
For the JnR ecu: the time of the proto-type to the time it went on sale to loyal customers. It will take at least 1-2 yr to really get the debuggs out of the way.
For the JnR ecu: the time of the proto-type to the time it went on sale to loyal customers. It will take at least 1-2 yr to really get the debuggs out of the way.
05-01-2012, 09:30 AM
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05-01-2012, 10:14 AM
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the j-series has immense potential people have gotten 450whp+ on stock engines. when they start out at 200whp... i dont see why more aftermarket companies and things dont look into our engines for a swap. the j-series has immense potential n/a and forced induction... the only thing our car lacks is a good ecu to start with but if its going to be high powered it would be a stand alone anyways. i would love to see our engines become more popular.
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05-01-2012, 12:53 PM
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the j-series has immense potential people have gotten 450whp+ on stock engines. when they start out at 200whp... i dont see why more aftermarket companies and things dont look into our engines for a swap. the j-series has immense potential n/a and forced induction... the only thing our car lacks is a good ecu to start with but if its going to be high powered it would be a stand alone anyways. i would love to see our engines become more popular.
what does a swap have to do with it in the context of a TL which already has a J-series engine? If you're talking about Civics and Integras, yeah I've seen plenty of youtube videos of people swapping j32's into them, and none of them go faster than high 12's because they can't put the power to the pavement, lol.
I would just buy a fast car to begin with. And if I wanted to do an engine swap, I would get a 3rd gen RX-7 and do the LS-1 swap to it and call it a day. Or get a '95 M3 and do an S54 swap into it.
Bottom line is, if you're gonna swap motors, do it in a car that actually makes sense for in the first place i.e. a true sports car.
05-01-2012, 12:54 PM
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Agreed. AWD 3.5T would be killer.
05-01-2012, 01:10 PM
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^Why?
05-01-2012, 01:16 PM
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But WHY would it be much more then what they currently offer?
iPhone 4S costs as much as a 4 did...4 the same as a 3G...etc. Each one being far superior to the previous model.
I don't see the base price of a TL being $50k.
iPhone 4S costs as much as a 4 did...4 the same as a 3G...etc. Each one being far superior to the previous model.
I don't see the base price of a TL being $50k.
05-01-2012, 01:24 PM
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05-01-2012, 01:28 PM
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....what?
what does a swap have to do with it in the context of a TL which already has a J-series engine? If you're talking about Civics and Integras, yeah I've seen plenty of youtube videos of people swapping j32's into them, and none of them go faster than high 12's because they can't put the power to the pavement, lol.
I would just buy a fast car to begin with. And if I wanted to do an engine swap, I would get a 3rd gen RX-7 and do the LS-1 swap to it and call it a day. Or get a '95 M3 and do an S54 swap into it.
Bottom line is, if you're gonna swap motors, do it in a car that actually makes sense for in the first place i.e. a true sports car.
what does a swap have to do with it in the context of a TL which already has a J-series engine? If you're talking about Civics and Integras, yeah I've seen plenty of youtube videos of people swapping j32's into them, and none of them go faster than high 12's because they can't put the power to the pavement, lol.
I would just buy a fast car to begin with. And if I wanted to do an engine swap, I would get a 3rd gen RX-7 and do the LS-1 swap to it and call it a day. Or get a '95 M3 and do an S54 swap into it.
Bottom line is, if you're gonna swap motors, do it in a car that actually makes sense for in the first place i.e. a true sports car.
Honestly, you are better off with the 13 B motor with an upgraded single turbo or even better 20 B motor build.
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05-01-2012, 01:37 PM
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^The options thing is what, imo, Honda needs to focus on. And, imo, will be one of the last things they do. Sadly.
05-01-2012, 02:56 PM
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if I were going to do that, I would only go for the 20B. The 13B just isn't built for any real longevity because the apex seals fail by 60-70k miles. They just aren't able to handle the turbos and it has been the only real achilles heel to the 3rd gen RX-7.
That being said, the 3-rotary build will cost you $20k just for the build. That's a ton of money compared to an LS1 swap. I've driven swapped LS1 rx-7's both 2nd gen (owned this one) and 3rd gen (test drove but the body was beat to hell) and they still have a very good balance despite having a V8. Obviously there are some cons when you consider how absurdly loud it is in the cabin - literally cannot even hear yourself think, lol.
The 20B will undoubtedly be a better ratio so it will handle better, be quieter/less annoying to drive, and faster out of the box so I agree that you would be better off if money isn't an option, but god damn it is a steep price to enter that arena, which is why I didn't suggest it in my previous post
05-01-2012, 03:34 PM
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05-01-2012, 04:40 PM
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quick response to this before we get too far off-topic in this thread -
if I were going to do that, I would only go for the 20B. The 13B just isn't built for any real longevity because the apex seals fail by 60-70k miles. They just aren't able to handle the turbos and it has been the only real achilles heel to the 3rd gen RX-7.
That being said, the 3-rotary build will cost you $20k just for the build. That's a ton of money compared to an LS1 swap. I've driven swapped LS1 rx-7's both 2nd gen (owned this one) and 3rd gen (test drove but the body was beat to hell) and they still have a very good balance despite having a V8. Obviously there are some cons when you consider how absurdly loud it is in the cabin - literally cannot even hear yourself think, lol.
The 20B will undoubtedly be a better ratio so it will handle better, be quieter/less annoying to drive, and faster out of the box so I agree that you would be better off if money isn't an option, but god damn it is a steep price to enter that arena, which is why I didn't suggest it in my previous post
if I were going to do that, I would only go for the 20B. The 13B just isn't built for any real longevity because the apex seals fail by 60-70k miles. They just aren't able to handle the turbos and it has been the only real achilles heel to the 3rd gen RX-7.
That being said, the 3-rotary build will cost you $20k just for the build. That's a ton of money compared to an LS1 swap. I've driven swapped LS1 rx-7's both 2nd gen (owned this one) and 3rd gen (test drove but the body was beat to hell) and they still have a very good balance despite having a V8. Obviously there are some cons when you consider how absurdly loud it is in the cabin - literally cannot even hear yourself think, lol.
The 20B will undoubtedly be a better ratio so it will handle better, be quieter/less annoying to drive, and faster out of the box so I agree that you would be better off if money isn't an option, but god damn it is a steep price to enter that arena, which is why I didn't suggest it in my previous post
I agree with both statements. I should had added that it really just depends on what you are building this for i.e. drag, track, etc. Yeah I know that these cars longevity aren't reliable and the "every 100K rebuilt" is a pain.
Anyways, 5gen TL 3.5L-3.8L I6 6spd RWD Turbo and would love to see it as a coupe too.
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05-02-2012, 12:34 PM
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I mean a 13B usually survives at 450whp for about 70k and if a seal goes its a 1000$ reseal or a 1300-$2000 reman engine which isn't bad..the 20Bs are crazy but expensive and if I had an rx7 id probably go for the ls but for a swap the 13Bs are awesome and will fit and be lighter then almost any engine out there..and its pretty easy to get 450whp which isn't anything too crazy but still not bad
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