the j-series has immense potential people have gotten 450whp+ on stock engines. when they start out at 200whp... i dont see why more aftermarket companies and things dont look into our engines for a swap. the j-series has immense potential n/a and forced induction... the only thing our car lacks is a good ecu to start with but if its going to be high powered it would be a stand alone anyways. i would love to see our engines become more popular.

 

if you say so!

 

Kid, you've got great insight. You could lead this great country one day.

 

The J engine is already a very popular swap. So much so that there is an entire website dedicated to it -

www.j32a.com

 

I am so glad to have found this. I am certainly waiting to see what great things can happen. There's a guy who found a chip that is an expert in this area, you should hook up with him.

 

I think I have one in my TL, COOL

 

Its been a very long time since I last laughed from reading something on AZ...

 

Hasn't the J series been out since like 1996? Honda needs to move on to bigger and better things already IMO. I don't want to see a 3.9L 5th Gen TL with 315hp.

From what I've seen most companies are switching to turbos and decreasing displacement these days.

 

Lol dead on. Then again, why change a good thing. At some point, Honda will have to go to direct injection which will at a minimum require completely different heads. DI make turbocharging more effective so who knows, there may be a successor to the J.

It would also be nice for Honda to get rid of the incredibly outdated vtec and go to DOHC to use variable cam phasing not only for performance but to eliminate the need for an EGR valve. I can't believe a company that basically invented variable valve timing and lift is so far behind the times compared to everyone else. A typical Ford truck has much more technology in their engines than we do. This is coming from a guy that races an old pushrod engine so take it with a grain of salt.

I'm kind of glad they've waited for other manufacturers to sort out the teething problems of DI. Some of the Audi, VW, and Porsche along with a handful of Toyotas have had some really nasty problems. They're helping to bring back the 3,000 mile oil change lol.

 

I'm just waiting for Honda/Acura to man up and build a V8 or V10. Sometimes I cant stand my TLs torque after driving a all-V8 camaro that was built 40 some years ago or so. :/

 

i am talking about it being popular like k-series engines, 2jzgte's, vq's, etc. our engines can handle a lot of power on stock long block... it definitely deserves more credit in the aftermarket world... and our engines are used in some drag cars handling tons of psi but ive only seen a video of one...

the new nsx is suppose to have a j-series engine. itll be nice to see what they throw into that engine if they are going to make it a performer or not since it will be a hybrid. and itd be even better if the parts would be swappable into ours and technology being able to be taken from it and used in our older engines.

 

i thought it was pretty funny too... but it was towards me so i didnt say anything lol

 

Ya Gotta have a laugh

I've had jokes cracked at me too , so its all good

 

Here's what HONDATA said: "It takes a long time and costs a lot of money to develop an ECU solution, and there would never be a pay off for J-Series. To give you an idea of the work invovled, we started work on the 06 Civic in October 2005, and released something in June 2009 for the release of Flashpro".

For the JnR ecu: the time of the proto-type to the time it went on sale to loyal customers. It will take at least 1-2 yr to really get the debuggs out of the way.

 

 

Say immense potential one more time.

 

Yes

A smaller, better looking 5th Gen TL with a 2.5 liter 4 cyl turbo with 350hp

 

Someone should try out Fuel Tech FT400, I like how it's like an Ipad/Iphone-type if you don't want to get the JnR ecu..

 

Make it look similiar to the 3G, AWD, 3.5 liter V6 Turbo. Something to rival the german car companies.

 

^this.
the 4banger turbo charged would be still too small!

 

....what?

what does a swap have to do with it in the context of a TL which already has a J-series engine? If you're talking about Civics and Integras, yeah I've seen plenty of youtube videos of people swapping j32's into them, and none of them go faster than high 12's because they can't put the power to the pavement, lol.

I would just buy a fast car to begin with. And if I wanted to do an engine swap, I would get a 3rd gen RX-7 and do the LS-1 swap to it and call it a day. Or get a '95 M3 and do an S54 swap into it.

Bottom line is, if you're gonna swap motors, do it in a car that actually makes sense for in the first place i.e. a true sports car.

 

Agreed. AWD 3.5T would be killer.

 

awd 3.5T = hefty price tag

 

^Why?

 

you cant have your cake and eat it too.
I would buy

 

But WHY would it be much more then what they currently offer?

iPhone 4S costs as much as a 4 did...4 the same as a 3G...etc. Each one being far superior to the previous model.

I don't see the base price of a TL being $50k.

 

Check his age.

in order to compete with the Germans, it wouldnt be north of 50K

 

So says the 25 year old!

Whatever the price bump was between a base 3G and the base 4G, I expect the same between a 4G and the 5G. No matter what tech or bad ass engine it has.

 

after having a career for a couple of years, $50k is attainable.

 

Honestly, you are better off with the 13 B motor with an upgraded single turbo or even better 20 B motor build.

 

As long as we're dreaming, screw the AWD and make it RWD. Or better yet, do it like BMW does and offer the option of both.

 

^The options thing is what, imo, Honda needs to focus on. And, imo, will be one of the last things they do. Sadly.

 

I don't think ill buy another v6 Honda if its not rwd.
J series or a jet engine

 

quick response to this before we get too far off-topic in this thread -

if I were going to do that, I would only go for the 20B. The 13B just isn't built for any real longevity because the apex seals fail by 60-70k miles. They just aren't able to handle the turbos and it has been the only real achilles heel to the 3rd gen RX-7.

That being said, the 3-rotary build will cost you $20k just for the build. That's a ton of money compared to an LS1 swap. I've driven swapped LS1 rx-7's both 2nd gen (owned this one) and 3rd gen (test drove but the body was beat to hell) and they still have a very good balance despite having a V8. Obviously there are some cons when you consider how absurdly loud it is in the cabin - literally cannot even hear yourself think, lol.

The 20B will undoubtedly be a better ratio so it will handle better, be quieter/less annoying to drive, and faster out of the box so I agree that you would be better off if money isn't an option, but god damn it is a steep price to enter that arena, which is why I didn't suggest it in my previous post

 

Turbo rotary? No thanks. Neat design but I've never seen one live at high hp levels for long. The fact that they sound like ass seals the deal.

 

I wouldn't buy a 4 cylinder TL...4 bangers belong in the TSX or smaller.

Like others have said, V6 turbo with AWD seems pretty sic.

 

I agree with both statements. I should had added that it really just depends on what you are building this for i.e. drag, track, etc. Yeah I know that these cars longevity aren't reliable and the "every 100K rebuilt" is a pain.

Anyways, 5gen TL 3.5L-3.8L I6 6spd RWD Turbo and would love to see it as a coupe too.

 

your picture has IMMENSE POTENTIAL

 

No more than a comparable Audi, Merc, or BMW.

 

I mean a 13B usually survives at 450whp for about 70k and if a seal goes its a 1000$ reseal or a 1300-$2000 reman engine which isn't bad..the 20Bs are crazy but expensive and if I had an rx7 id probably go for the ls but for a swap the 13Bs are awesome and will fit and be lighter then almost any engine out there..and its pretty easy to get 450whp which isn't anything too crazy but still not bad