I just want to go faster.
11-19-2009, 10:03 PM
#83
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^^ YEAH IM gonna be pimping on that bike!!!
LOL. im planning on using it to commute during the summer seasons!! im planning on modifying it with a exhaust, race sprockets, etc. yeah haha. actually let me find another video that i thought was hilarious. in this video a x18 pocket bike races a ford f150!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7shrzcHzKw
LOL. im planning on using it to commute during the summer seasons!! im planning on modifying it with a exhaust, race sprockets, etc. yeah haha. actually let me find another video that i thought was hilarious. in this video a x18 pocket bike races a ford f150!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7shrzcHzKw
11-19-2009, 10:37 PM
#84
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I apologize in advance but I can't help myself....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkzRJnMGY20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyjeepWQIRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkzRJnMGY20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyjeepWQIRY
11-20-2009, 12:32 AM
#85
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
11-20-2009, 07:18 AM
#87
Safety Car
Hummm.... interesting powerband those GN's have. The GN seems to have the ideal powerband for 1/4-mile racing. Just from listening to the vid, it sounds like the GN is "riding" against the stall converter for the vast majority of the run. Then when the GN did spin-up past the stall speed, it shifted-up again very shortly after that. Seems to me if this is indeed the case, this is one primary reason why the GN is a 1/4-mile killer. This is an example of why I love 1/4-mile racing. Quarter-mile racing is not solely about just raw HP. Quarter-mile racing is all about smart, unforgiving usage of HP (Ex: traction, wise powerband, zero human error, zero mechanical error, no excuses, etc.).
If the finish vid is at the 1/4-mile mark, the GN beat the bike by 1.0 seconds. According to Google, the factory bike runs approx high 10's to low 11's. If that is the case (if not modded), that puts the GN at approx high 9's to low 10's. Back in my days, this was strictly a "trailer car" that could run those type of numbers. Awesome ride that GN must be !!!
If the finish vid is at the 1/4-mile mark, the GN beat the bike by 1.0 seconds. According to Google, the factory bike runs approx high 10's to low 11's. If that is the case (if not modded), that puts the GN at approx high 9's to low 10's. Back in my days, this was strictly a "trailer car" that could run those type of numbers. Awesome ride that GN must be !!!
11-20-2009, 08:56 AM
#90
I like to play with my cars too. I have added a cai and plan on getting a j-pipe. But the TL is not a race car. If you want to go real fast and have about 5k to play with go buy a newer used crotch rocket. I'm sure you could find an 05-07 Honda 600RR for that price. This will quech your need for speed real quick.
11-20-2009, 09:28 AM
#91
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Hummm.... interesting powerband those GN's have. The GN seems to have the ideal powerband for 1/4-mile racing. Just from listening to the vid, it sounds like the GN is "riding" against the stall converter for the vast majority of the run. Then when the GN did spin-up past the stall speed, it shifted-up again very shortly after that. Seems to me if this is indeed the case, this is one primary reason why the GN is a 1/4-mile killer. This is an example of why I love 1/4-mile racing. Quarter-mile racing is not solely about just raw HP. Quarter-mile racing is all about smart, unforgiving usage of HP (Ex: traction, wise powerband, zero human error, zero mechanical error, no excuses, etc.).
If the finish vid is at the 1/4-mile mark, the GN beat the bike by 1.0 seconds. According to Google, the factory bike runs approx high 10's to low 11's. If that is the case (if not modded), that puts the GN at approx high 9's to low 10's. Back in my days, this was strictly a "trailer car" that could run those type of numbers. Awesome ride that GN must be !!!
If the finish vid is at the 1/4-mile mark, the GN beat the bike by 1.0 seconds. According to Google, the factory bike runs approx high 10's to low 11's. If that is the case (if not modded), that puts the GN at approx high 9's to low 10's. Back in my days, this was strictly a "trailer car" that could run those type of numbers. Awesome ride that GN must be !!!
They're all about torque and on the stock bottom, spinning them past 6,000rpm is just asking for trouble. You can see when it hits full boost when the exhaust blows the dust off the road. The factory gearing vs the powerband is one of the best matched combos GM has ever come up with. It's truly optimized in stock form. Everyone keeps the 200-4R and stock 3.42 gears. That's why many times they run much faster than the hp numbers would indicate. In my experience, a 500hp GN will kill a 600hp Mustang in the 1/4 9 times out of 10.
11-20-2009, 01:00 PM
#92
practicing nihilist
i've been out of the game for a while and can't quite tell what year GSX-R that is but, stock high 10's is a misnomer since no crotch rocket lasts more than a month without a pipe and a jet kit. bikes respond so well to simple bolt on's it's recockulous. full exhaust kit and jetting = easy 20 whp. so, that bike was probably on cusp of low 10's.
be that as it may, you see the flaw with a sparked up bike running against a track monster car. in-line 4 jap bikes are very top end biased, like v-tec. so hard to launch. you should watch amateur youtube clips of guys trying to launch 200 hp Gixxer's...lot's of fail. The GN floors it and has a calculated hook up potential. that kind of lead out of the hole = bye-bye.
fantastic car. i still remember the first time I drove by one on a bridge when I was like 18. heard this strange mechanical "whirrrr" coming from the engine as he nonchalantly cruised up the bridge doing the posted speed limit. it just didn't compute - turbo noise coming from a blatantly obvious Detroit pony. it was a sleeper from the outside but you could just tell it was a nasty machine. i've been intrigued by them ever since..
be that as it may, you see the flaw with a sparked up bike running against a track monster car. in-line 4 jap bikes are very top end biased, like v-tec. so hard to launch. you should watch amateur youtube clips of guys trying to launch 200 hp Gixxer's...lot's of fail. The GN floors it and has a calculated hook up potential. that kind of lead out of the hole = bye-bye.
fantastic car. i still remember the first time I drove by one on a bridge when I was like 18. heard this strange mechanical "whirrrr" coming from the engine as he nonchalantly cruised up the bridge doing the posted speed limit. it just didn't compute - turbo noise coming from a blatantly obvious Detroit pony. it was a sleeper from the outside but you could just tell it was a nasty machine. i've been intrigued by them ever since..
11-20-2009, 09:57 PM
#93
its all good majofo. LOL yeah i think their pretty hilarious too but im like 5ft 5inches so i won't look completley stupid on it haha. 
it will be more for car shows and such i wanna match the bike color scheme to my cars color sheme. PLUS it is street legal too!! the X18 super pocket bike is in the video. In this video the rider is about 6 foot i believe. Can't wait to get it lol!!!
yeah i think their pretty hilarious too but im like 5ft 5inches so i won't look completley stupid on it haha. it will be more for car shows and such i wanna match the bike color scheme to my cars color sheme. PLUS it is street legal too!! the X18 super pocket bike is in the video. In this video the rider is about 6 foot i believe. Can't wait to get it lol!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ48NQjouoE
11-21-2009, 03:58 AM
#94
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i've been out of the game for a while and can't quite tell what year GSX-R that is but, stock high 10's is a misnomer since no crotch rocket lasts more than a month without a pipe and a jet kit. bikes respond so well to simple bolt on's it's recockulous. full exhaust kit and jetting = easy 20 whp. so, that bike was probably on cusp of low 10's.
be that as it may, you see the flaw with a sparked up bike running against a track monster car. in-line 4 jap bikes are very top end biased, like v-tec. so hard to launch. you should watch amateur youtube clips of guys trying to launch 200 hp Gixxer's...lot's of fail. The GN floors it and has a calculated hook up potential. that kind of lead out of the hole = bye-bye.
fantastic car. i still remember the first time I drove by one on a bridge when I was like 18. heard this strange mechanical "whirrrr" coming from the engine as he nonchalantly cruised up the bridge doing the posted speed limit. it just didn't compute - turbo noise coming from a blatantly obvious Detroit pony. it was a sleeper from the outside but you could just tell it was a nasty machine. i've been intrigued by them ever since..
be that as it may, you see the flaw with a sparked up bike running against a track monster car. in-line 4 jap bikes are very top end biased, like v-tec. so hard to launch. you should watch amateur youtube clips of guys trying to launch 200 hp Gixxer's...lot's of fail. The GN floors it and has a calculated hook up potential. that kind of lead out of the hole = bye-bye.
fantastic car. i still remember the first time I drove by one on a bridge when I was like 18. heard this strange mechanical "whirrrr" coming from the engine as he nonchalantly cruised up the bridge doing the posted speed limit. it just didn't compute - turbo noise coming from a blatantly obvious Detroit pony. it was a sleeper from the outside but you could just tell it was a nasty machine. i've been intrigued by them ever since..
It's hard to say how much of that was launch. The GN's strong point has always been the launch but that particular car traps in the mid 130mph range so it was likely pulling the bike all the way down.
I'm getting the car ready for a run with a co-worker's 1,000cc crotch rocket. I have no idea the make or model but it's a fairly new liter bike. Not sure how it's going to turn out but there's no shame in losing to one of those.
11-21-2009, 07:11 AM
#95
practicing nihilist
if it's a GSX-R 1000, a pro can get that bike down the track fast than the Hayabusa. it's got torque but still a difficult launch and if he doesn't have a stretched swing arm he'll be fighting to keep the wheel on the ground.
11-21-2009, 02:02 PM
#96
Team Owner
It's a chick who's an instructor at Willow Springs on the weekends. I don't mind losing to the bike. I really don't want to lose to the chick. She will probably launch it well. I may make this my annihilation run and just crank the boost to 35psi and hope it holds to the end of the race. I'm 400lbs lighter and have about 100 more hp than when I ran 10.60s. It might go high 9s or 10 ohs on a perfect day but I don't think that's enough for this bike.
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11-21-2009, 10:39 PM
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11-22-2009, 05:10 PM
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i've been out of the game for a while and can't quite tell what year GSX-R that is but, stock high 10's is a misnomer since no crotch rocket lasts more than a month without a pipe and a jet kit. bikes respond so well to simple bolt on's it's recockulous. full exhaust kit and jetting = easy 20 whp. so, that bike was probably on cusp of low 10's...
With that said, while the GN's run is impressive you can hear the GSXR bog on launch...should have been a much closer race. Short of a top fuel dragster, I'd feel confident going toe to toe with mostly anything on four wheels. Give me a ZX10R and I'd be even more confident.
Besides, sportbikes are made for the twisties...
11-22-2009, 07:22 PM
#101
practicing nihilist
wow! bye-bye jetting needles...i'm old. jet kit's sucked to tune, anyway. i'm glad they're fuel injected now.
i have read a bit on the new R6, with digital throttle and that sick looking little race can poking out the side. always loved the R's, even though the Gixxer's have owned the game for a long time.
i have read a bit on the new R6, with digital throttle and that sick looking little race can poking out the side. always loved the R's, even though the Gixxer's have owned the game for a long time.
11-22-2009, 08:29 PM
#102
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That looks like an early 2000's GSX-R 600 or 750 if the fairing colours are stock...but even the rear end looks K2 - K4. They were/are fuel injected...haven't run carbs since '98. Messing with jetting needles has given way to fuel controllers and ECU remapping....far better gains. My '09 GSXR 750 runs ~ a 10 second 1/4 mile stock. With a full exhaust, Power Commander fuel controller, and racing air filter (approx. $1200 total), I've gained 19 WHP and more importantly 8 ft/lbs of torque...on a 424 lb machine. Haven't tried it yet, but I'm sure a 9 1/2 second quarter mile is easily attainable on slicks.
With that said, while the GN's run is impressive you can hear the GSXR bog on launch...should have been a much closer race. Short of a top fuel dragster, I'd feel confident going toe to toe with mostly anything on four wheels. Give me a ZX10R and I'd be even more confident.
Besides, sportbikes are made for the twisties...
With that said, while the GN's run is impressive you can hear the GSXR bog on launch...should have been a much closer race. Short of a top fuel dragster, I'd feel confident going toe to toe with mostly anything on four wheels. Give me a ZX10R and I'd be even more confident.
Besides, sportbikes are made for the twisties...
11-22-2009, 08:30 PM
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wow! bye-bye jetting needles...i'm old. jet kit's sucked to tune, anyway. i'm glad they're fuel injected now.
MY '08 ZZR was actually carbed and I had an Ivan's jet kit on it, gave pretty impressive gains coupled with an ignition advancer. And there's something to be said for tried and true technology. But FI is just more efficient, especially in a motorcycle application where weight and packaging is crucial. But yeah, metering carbs with tiny jet needles is a PITA....especially if you dropped a needle down into the float bowl....not that I did that! lol
MY '08 ZZR was actually carbed and I had an Ivan's jet kit on it, gave pretty impressive gains coupled with an ignition advancer. And there's something to be said for tried and true technology. But FI is just more efficient, especially in a motorcycle application where weight and packaging is crucial. But yeah, metering carbs with tiny jet needles is a PITA....especially if you dropped a needle down into the float bowl....not that I did that! lol
11-22-2009, 08:34 PM
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I believe about the same....perhaps a bit better @ ~138 MPH. Sport Rider did a comparo last year with an '08 GSXR 750 that did that, the '09s were slightly remapped for better mid-range so they may do slightly better stock.
11-22-2009, 09:23 PM
#105
practicing nihilist
fast. so Ram, what is up with all the extended swingarms on bikes these days? do they know what that does or is it just for looks?
pegged my '00 R6 on about the safest road I could find once. speedo stopped at 170. It was stupid but I was young/dumb and just had to do it once.
pegged my '00 R6 on about the safest road I could find once. speedo stopped at 170. It was stupid but I was young/dumb and just had to do it once.
11-23-2009, 08:11 AM
#106
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I've always wondered why the specs dont seem to match up. When I ran 10.60s with a best trap of 127-8mph, I was outrunning R6s left and right. I had my best friend not believing me and not 10 minutes after we had the conversation, we ran into one. Coolest guy, gave me the thumbs up and wanted to see under the hood. I don't know what they are rated at but I believe it's faster than what my car was running. This is on roll races too.
11-24-2009, 12:03 PM
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fast. so Ram, what is up with all the extended swingarms on bikes these days? do they know what that does or is it just for looks?
pegged my '00 R6 on about the safest road I could find once. speedo stopped at 170. It was stupid but I was young/dumb and just had to do it once.
pegged my '00 R6 on about the safest road I could find once. speedo stopped at 170. It was stupid but I was young/dumb and just had to do it once.
I've always wondered why the specs dont seem to match up. When I ran 10.60s with a best trap of 127-8mph, I was outrunning R6s left and right. I had my best friend not believing me and not 10 minutes after we had the conversation, we ran into one. Coolest guy, gave me the thumbs up and wanted to see under the hood. I don't know what they are rated at but I believe it's faster than what my car was running. This is on roll races too.
Yeah, I would think that you'd be in the 130s with that time. Most 600s are running mid - high 10s stock. Spend $150 on a -1 sprocket change and you can shave a 1/2 second of that easily.
11-24-2009, 02:41 PM
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right. i bet there's a lot more of them kissing guard rails on sweepers after stretching the bike out like that. personally, i wanted to turn as easily as possible, something the R6 did pretty well.
Buell's always looked like the shortest wheel around. maybe it was just their lack of fairings. did you hear HD is not going to make those anymore?
Buell's always looked like the shortest wheel around. maybe it was just their lack of fairings. did you hear HD is not going to make those anymore?
11-24-2009, 03:10 PM
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To get this thread back on track:
OP didn't mention whether or not this would be a track car. Based on his age, seeming lack of knowledge, and choice of car, I'd say it's just his DD that he wants to street race.
If this is the case, don't do it. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to race on the street. What does it prove? You're faster than the other guy and willing to risk yours and other's life for it. Not worth it IMHO.
However, there's nothing wrong with a nice blast down the on-ramp. It's the only chance most people get to go WOT, and a lot of guys (myself included) take it. No problem.
My suggestion to you: Don't waste your money on "going faster" if you're only 19 and have no idea what you're doing. Plenty of people here your age with fast cars, but many of them know what they're doing and keep their speed in check. Learn from them.
OP didn't mention whether or not this would be a track car. Based on his age, seeming lack of knowledge, and choice of car, I'd say it's just his DD that he wants to street race.
If this is the case, don't do it. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to race on the street. What does it prove? You're faster than the other guy and willing to risk yours and other's life for it. Not worth it IMHO.
However, there's nothing wrong with a nice blast down the on-ramp. It's the only chance most people get to go WOT, and a lot of guys (myself included) take it. No problem.
My suggestion to you: Don't waste your money on "going faster" if you're only 19 and have no idea what you're doing. Plenty of people here your age with fast cars, but many of them know what they're doing and keep their speed in check. Learn from them.
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