JuamPs 69

Well...where do I start? I have been off from zine for a while now after testing the TL on the 1/4 mile about 6 months ago.

I am still working overseas and trying to get stuff done on my cars is a pain in the butt. The latest was my racing integra ran in december a nice 9.13@165mph on a 67mm turbo and literally broke a connecting rod after using the same engine for 2 years. It was a nightmare but the car is ready again now going for eight secs. (Look at the Jo Tech El Tiesto Integra on youtube).

The second nightmare was the Hondata. Untuned baseline for the TL was a 295whp/274wtq, although the car tested one time 303whp in another dyno. Still the untuned numbers are pretty solid. I finally got the Hondata and it took more than 60 days to tune the car. What happened? Speakin to our close friend (Javier) @ Hondata...It seemed that my TL was from the last cars coming out from the production line.

The 2 latest version that Hondata came out with was due to my car alone. First we could not even lock the computer to the OEM ECU, then we couldn't properly tune. Tonight we finally got it done.

Before you ask...The only 2 customs mods BESIDES BOLT-ONS are a a larger TB matched to the intake manifold with ported and polished intake lower runners. Everything else is intake or exhaust bolt ons STOCK INTERNALS.

The car resulted in 308.69 whp at the dynojet in Orlando, Florida where we last tested at 295whp...Weather conditions... temps where around mid to low 70's and humid. The only picture I have is without torque numbers is the one posted here. I am still overseas, and I dont have specifics on anything else if they had time for a cool down on the car etc. These cars are adversely impacted by heat soak.

Overall, I am happy with the numbers. To be honest...I was expecting a little bit more, but paying close attention...the overall graph on the chart is higher throughout the entire rpm band specially on the typical VTEC OEM dip. It is constant and steady, this should make a big difference on the track.

This is a low 13 sec car, so I should have fun with plenty of more expensive luxury sports cars out there LMFAO. I will be returning to Florida (Miami, Orlando, on may and june...Anybody want to meet to go to PBIR or Brandenton racetrack PM...

Enjoy fellas!!!

kingkong_dav

its decent.

im expecting 12-15 peak horsepower out of mine. my whole ideal tune is to find the sweet spot for imvt and vtec engaging together.

I love cars gain the same numbers and it was tuned by king motorsports. hes packing a 09 TL intake manifold and TB

i_love_cars

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I am very glad to see these results. I've been very eager to see more people getting Hondata tunes and posting results with mods. I don't have PnP lower runners/porter matched IM, just the 3.7 with a bored TB, so I would say your gains right there are completely spot on.

Your peak is 5 hp higher than mine which with porter runners on your car makes sense to me. All things considered the Hondata seems consistent with our mods.

People will tell you those gains are trash <insert random troll comment about not making 20+ whp peak here>

as you get used to the tune you will love it man. I'm nearly door-to-door with my buddy's 6mt e46 M3 w/headers & exhaust, and this past Friday night I raced a 370z 6mt (stock) and was dead even with him until 115 when I pulled a few feet on him until 125 when we shut it down.

With 300 hp, the car is definitely low 13's at the drag strip with good tires and a solid launch. On the highway it's a monster for what it is and will definitely surprise a lot of people.

Thanks for posting

Sonnick

Nice numbers dude. Glad to see you are still working steady on the Type S Were these before/after numbers SAE corrected? As long as the same CF was used for each pull it doesn't matter, I'm just wondering You have to get back to the track and see how you improved. A dude on V 6 P has a I/E fully gutted Accord 6spd. You guys would probably have a good run, his car is fast.

ILC, I thought you had ported runners. Wth did you do with my runners :rofl2: What headers does the M3 have? That's more impressive than the 370z IMO. Most bolt ons don't do much, but I've heard headers on the e46M can gain significant HP.

i_love_cars

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I sent your runners to Gerzand, haha. He's giving me his old runners that are matched to his heads when he pulls them for me. He needed a spare set of runners to match to his new heads that he's having machined right now, so I said "might as well just send you these from sonnick that are sitting in my garage"

Sooooo no i don't have ported runners yet. They will be coming as a package with gerz's old j32 heads

Sonnick

^ You're forgiven.

JuamPs 69

I have ported and polished lower runners. My throttle body was bored by kingmotorsports and matched to the OEM intake manifold.

Going back to the track in a few weeks. Last time when I went i was unprepared. Just went in street tires with almost have a tank of gas, still pulled a 13.7secs@104mph on the untuned set up.

And like you said...I mean 13 whp peak is a nice number. The key relies on the full graph (power band). It shows a consistent 11-12whp more throughout the whole power band and no DIP on the VTEC engagement.

Decent numbers? Hmmm yes they are. CMB Tuning is the man in central florida for that...Trust me...I have the 3rd fastest 67mm sfwd car out there (Jo Tech Integra "El Tiesto") The 2 fastest performed the records on the "magical strip" of Maryland...Seems that everyone runs faster there lmao

CMB has done a great job and more to come for this TL...better times/more power too

JuamPs 69

Here is another pic of the graph

AccordFlex

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I just dynoed my car after my ZDX TB, 3.7L manifold, PnP runners, XLr8 motor mounts, and stage 3 Clutch and lost 11hp since last time going from 285 to 274. Car is running way too rich now because of all the air the stock ECU is trying to compensate and just cant anymore.

Even though I was upset about the loss, it really hit home how much I need to get the Hondata and get the TL-S tuned.

anx1300c

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How are you running rich after introducing more air into the engine? If anything, you should be running lean.



And nice numbers, Juam. SAE or STD correction?

AccordFlex

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My guess is that the ECU is trying to dump more fuel into the mix to compensate for more air and is now retarding timing.

Like I said, I need the Hondata badly now to even things out again.

Sonnick

^ Hmmm...that's odd because everyone else gained, even with the OEM ECU...

AccordFlex

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Yea at first, I could definitely feel a noticeable difference in power, since then the CEL has come on a few times and then back off. I guess every car is different as to how it reacts to the mods and unfortunately mine just need the Hondata pick-me-up.

brianch

You should be running lean not rich. If you are running rich you wouldn't loose power.

Good to know. I'm going to keep waiting around until the Hondata is refined. Been a fan of Hondata for many years now.

I'd be happy with 300whp.

JuamPs 69

11 whp is a lot, I had a similar problem it turned out to be faulty ignition coils. Check out the current for each cylinder make sure they are working fine.

OEM ecu's will compensate and will give you more whp no loss specially 11whp. I dont know if it was SAE or STD, I have to double check im here in Afghanistan right now...I'll let you know bro

anx1300c

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Of course you'll lose power if you're running rich.

Sonnick

Running rich or lean will ultimately results in a loss of power. However, despite the fact the the 3.7 manifold setup drastically increases the amount of air intake, the ECU should compensate by adding more fuel. Obviously it won't be perfect, but usually it's pretty good. There may be some other issue as Juam has stated.

Juam, are you going to be on the same wheel/tire setup at the track? Try some DRs

bouncer07

Good Numbers, with a twin disk clutch, you could prob shave some time on that quarter mile.

anx1300c

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All things being equal, slightly lean will always make more power than slightly rich in any internal combustion engine. Excess gas just carbons up cylinders and plugs, which then can't ignite the mixture.

IIRC, Totalacuratl (?) only gained a couple whp after the 3.7 swap, but was running pig rich in the 11:1 range, so maybe there's something else going on with a couple cars with the swap?

I haven't had any codes after four months with the 3.7, and gas mileage was still at 24 on the MID and has fallen to 22 during the winter. I've always averaged 24 summer/22 winter since I've owned the car. Car is running strong, with just very slight cold idle issues. I think I'll probably pull plugs and check them, but I'm sure they'll look fine.

Sorry for the thread jack, op.

AccordFlex

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Im going to pull the plugs and replace them here shortly once I have the tune in place to start fresh.

But yea the vehicle is anywhere from 11.5-12.1 which is pretty damn rich for these cars.

JuamPs 69

I will try drag radials, i will make sure i go with only a 1/4 of gas in the tank, i will make sure the car is aligned, tire pressure less than 25 on the front and nice 40psi in the back with the stock wheels with drag radials for now...I should try 16 in rims eventually...I will be happy if the car runs a 13.2...he dyno had a faulty sensor to measure the torque..Im kinda pissed at that...untuned made almost 275wtq...Im assuming, its gotta be around 280-285...

Wednesday May 8th I will be going to the track...Anybody around the central florida area interested in going?

Sonnick

^ I'll talk to my buddy, he may be down. Are you near the SRMS (Street Racing Made Safe) events? He goes to them all the time. They aren't timed though.

For a 13.2, you are going to need a low 2.0 60' and perfect shifting. Your car should be trapping ~105, so it's doable, but it won't be easy. Good luck and let us know how you make out!

Atlas.46

My accord goes mid 12s and richer in 4th gear and timing doesnt go above 20 degrees... piggyback im heta testing is on its way back to me. Will have it for honda day.... hope my clutch makes it through the weekend.

sockr1

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Thanks for posting OP. great to see another hondata tune for a TL. I know you mentioned some of your custom mods, but can you provide a full list of your mods, just curious to see what you have. Thanks

type-s'er

13 WHP peak gain, nice! A lot better that ILC's wimpy 8whp gain just kidding...or am I?

thisaznboi88

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That is pretty rich. I am running 13.3-13.5 WOT , timing maxed out at 24.5-25.5 this is using the revbox piggyback on since im too poor to pay for hondata conversion

I would be worried about washing out the oil/lube from the cylinder walls

i_love_cars

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pfffffffffffft I need PnP runners

JuamPs 69

List of mods? Full exhaust meaning pcd, catback and j pipe. Intake cold air intake with spacer and gaskets, pnp lower runners, bored TB matched to OEM manifold. Hondata Tuned.

Sonnick...I am sooo disconnected from those events, I have never heard them before lol...Anyways I will race once in Brandeton in May, then one in west palm beach in early june. I all ready trapped 104, I should easily trap 105 hoping for that 13.2. Everything is on my 60ft. my 13.7@104 was with a 2.23 60 ft.

I hate cars

Real quick, those running rich need to figure out if its a false rich condition caused by an ignition problem or if its really rich.

With that out of the way, those are some great numbers. Over 100hp/l naturally aspirated is an accomplishment. 309 to the wheels should be close to 110mph traps assuming you're around 3,400-3,500lbs. It might not be a bad idea to run a splash of 100 unleaded to make sure no timing is pulled on the big end.

Speaking of race gas, would it be impossible to do a race gas tune with a little more timing and a little leaner? I've never looked into Hondata so forgive the ignorance.

Sonnick

Doubt it's a false reading. My tailpipes are completely black and I have almost identical mods with the exception that I have the 3.7 IM/TB setup. I will find out soon enough

ILC yes, you do need ported runners. And ported heads, and.......

thisaznboi88

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^ I though you were getting an ECU for your car?

Sonnick

JuamPs 69

I will not be surprised if he has ignition coil problems. The car was tweaked and adjusted to perfection...3 back to back passes on the dyno producing the same numbers. CMB is well known for his consistency tuning.

I am around slightly over 3,600 guesstimating for the car weight. Mani/headwork coming soon too.

anx1300c

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Is that 3600 with you in it? I think stock curb weight is ~3530 for the Type S 6MT, and I believe curb weights include a full tank of gas. Figure full exhaust, intake, pulley, spare/tools, engine covers, floor mats is all good for roughly 80 lbs. and then with just 1/4 tank, I'd guess the car itself to be in the neighborhood of 3375.

Edit: Yahoo says 3559 lbs for the 6MT. I thought it was lighter. Makes sense since the 5AT is listed around 3670 and automatic is a good 100 lbs heavier.

3gstealth

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JuamP, I'm down to meet at Bradenton in May. My best time down there so far has been 14.2 @ 99.5 in my 06 5at. I would like to check out your setup and see how strong she runs.

JuamPs 69

I always thought the car's curb weight was 3759 for the MT...I really don't know now. I have to double check my numbers have always been based on that reference and I add or substract accordingly.

Guess I will have to weigh the car with me on it.

3GStealth you got it...I will be arriving @ Orlando on May 6th plan on a visit and the strip on the 8th over there dude.

anx1300c

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3559 and 3674 for the 5AT (that one's a porker!)

http://autos.yahoo.com/acura/tl/2007...fications.html

http://autos.yahoo.com/acura/tl/2007...fications.html

JuamPs 69

3759 thats 200 pounds more 175 for me plus 25 lbs of gas LOL maybe that was it...Brain Fart lolol!!!

TurboGSR96

very nice numbers, are you guys buying these 3.7L manifolds brand new from Honda? or is there another source?

callahan

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