got my car dyno tuned today =-)
08-18-2009, 06:21 PM
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got my car dyno tuned today =-)
first with AEM FI/c (a/f. timing, vtec control)
342hp/299tq @ 4psi
then with greddy emanage ultimate (for a/f), paired with comptech ACM (for vtec 4k rpm)
numbers 347hp/300tq @ 4psi
the meth injection allowed me to run with ZERO timing retard, since im only boosting 4psi
and FYI for you boosted guys, 4krpm is the lowest you want to lower the vtec engagement anyways. we tried it a little below and it made less power. PLUS, its perfect at 4k cause at WOT, it brings you right into vtec between shifts 
heres some graphs. their printer was running out of ink though :/
and a little vid while on the dyno,
not to shabby for such low boost
a/f was pretty much 11:5- 11:8 across the board on both tunes. couldnt get an a/f graph since they ran out of ink >
in the end, tuning with the meth injection gave me about 20hp more and 13tq
342hp/299tq @ 4psi
then with greddy emanage ultimate (for a/f), paired with comptech ACM (for vtec 4k rpm)
numbers 347hp/300tq @ 4psi
the meth injection allowed me to run with ZERO timing retard, since im only boosting 4psi
and FYI for you boosted guys, 4krpm is the lowest you want to lower the vtec engagement anyways. we tried it a little below and it made less power. PLUS, its perfect at 4k cause at WOT, it brings you right into vtec between shifts heres some graphs. their printer was running out of ink though :/
and a little vid while on the dyno,
not to shabby for such low boost
a/f was pretty much 11:5- 11:8 across the board on both tunes. couldnt get an a/f graph since they ran out of ink > in the end, tuning with the meth injection gave me about 20hp more and 13tq
Last edited by 04accordcpe; 08-18-2009 at 06:25 PM.
08-18-2009, 06:56 PM
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Three Wheelin'
Very nice numbers man...congratulations
Wonder how come the greddy was able to give you higher numbers than the FIC... Did u run the meth with greddy only, or both managements? And are u running straight meth or mixed with water?
What's the major difference between the 2 managements?
Now that you've tried and ran both, u should throw a comparo out there.
I agree with vtec setting, 4000rpm its perfect for each shift...that's where it was set with the CT ACM.
Can u say the timing at WOT?
Good post, glad to see you making that power with 4-5 psi
Wonder how come the greddy was able to give you higher numbers than the FIC... Did u run the meth with greddy only, or both managements? And are u running straight meth or mixed with water?
What's the major difference between the 2 managements?
Now that you've tried and ran both, u should throw a comparo out there.
I agree with vtec setting, 4000rpm its perfect for each shift...that's where it was set with the CT ACM.
Can u say the timing at WOT?
Good post, glad to see you making that power with 4-5 psi
08-18-2009, 10:16 PM
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Nice numbers , thanks For vtec engagement tip we never altered ours but we will give it a try , ever since I had the kit installed I've had meth kit just never tried it yet.. ...
08-18-2009, 10:57 PM
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Three Wheelin'
you should run the methanol, it gives ya a nice IAT drop, especially combined with the IC. 93 octane pump gas, shoots up to 116 octane, when you inject methanol
for such a small and easy to do mod, and not so expensive, the gains from it are very good.
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08-18-2009, 11:19 PM
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Good numbers! 
08-19-2009, 04:41 AM
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thanks for the comments guys
340-350hp 300'ish tq was always my goal with the stock SC pulley. im only 10hp and 6tq less then ussi had, when he was 3.2, along with hondata reflash and HBP
with the addition of 310cc rsx-s injectors, meth injection, PCD's, jpipe, exhaust, GEMU combined with ACM, anyone of you SC'd guys can make the same power @ only 3-4psi too
not too sure why the GEMU had slightly better numbers than the fi/c, but it was only a 4hp difference, so i'd say their about the same. and yes, i ran the meth with both units too with a 50/50 mix
comparisons??
well, i find the GEMU is a little more consistant with the a/f readings and idles a bit smoother than the AEM. what the AEM has over the GEMU is being an ALL-IN-ONE unit, with the ability to contol everything (a/f, timimg, vtec) only thing i hate is finding a place or drilling a hole to run the vacuum hose to the AEM, since it uses its own built in MAP sensor. ive chose to run with the GEMU/ACM combo, cause it gives me everything that i need (minus the timing part of course) but with my setup, timing retard isnt needed thanks to the meth injection and low boost
yes vtec is PERFECT set at 4k rpm. thats the lone thing comptech actually got right when they built the ACM
oh and if you look at the chart, im basically only boosting 3psi across the board with a spike to 4psi
340-350hp 300'ish tq was always my goal with the stock SC pulley. im only 10hp and 6tq less then ussi had, when he was 3.2, along with hondata reflash and HBP
with the addition of 310cc rsx-s injectors, meth injection, PCD's, jpipe, exhaust, GEMU combined with ACM, anyone of you SC'd guys can make the same power @ only 3-4psi too
Originally Posted by Opel
Very nice numbers man...congratulations
Wonder how come the greddy was able to give you higher numbers than the FIC... Did u run the meth with greddy only, or both managements? And are u running straight meth or mixed with water?
What's the major difference between the 2 managements?
Now that you've tried and ran both, u should throw a comparo out there.
I agree with vtec setting, 4000rpm its perfect for each shift...that's where it was set with the CT ACM.
Can u say the timing at WOT?
Good post, glad to see you making that power with 4-5 psi
Wonder how come the greddy was able to give you higher numbers than the FIC... Did u run the meth with greddy only, or both managements? And are u running straight meth or mixed with water?
What's the major difference between the 2 managements?
Now that you've tried and ran both, u should throw a comparo out there.
I agree with vtec setting, 4000rpm its perfect for each shift...that's where it was set with the CT ACM.
Can u say the timing at WOT?
Good post, glad to see you making that power with 4-5 psi
comparisons??
well, i find the GEMU is a little more consistant with the a/f readings and idles a bit smoother than the AEM. what the AEM has over the GEMU is being an ALL-IN-ONE unit, with the ability to contol everything (a/f, timimg, vtec) only thing i hate is finding a place or drilling a hole to run the vacuum hose to the AEM, since it uses its own built in MAP sensor. ive chose to run with the GEMU/ACM combo, cause it gives me everything that i need (minus the timing part of course) but with my setup, timing retard isnt needed thanks to the meth injection and low boost
yes vtec is PERFECT set at 4k rpm. thats the lone thing comptech actually got right when they built the ACM
oh and if you look at the chart, im basically only boosting 3psi across the board with a spike to 4psi
Last edited by 04accordcpe; 08-19-2009 at 04:45 AM.
08-19-2009, 11:09 AM
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thanks for the comments guys
340-350hp 300'ish tq was always my goal with the stock SC pulley. im only 10hp and 6tq less then ussi had, when he was 3.2, along with hondata reflash and HBP
only thing i hate is finding a place or drilling a hole to run the vacuum hose to the AEM, since it uses its own built in MAP sensor.
340-350hp 300'ish tq was always my goal with the stock SC pulley. im only 10hp and 6tq less then ussi had, when he was 3.2, along with hondata reflash and HBP
only thing i hate is finding a place or drilling a hole to run the vacuum hose to the AEM, since it uses its own built in MAP sensor.
haha. but i really think you're going to reap the benefits of your meth setup. I wasn't running any meth during the tuning process but i know what it can do for IAT temps 
I just ran the vacuum line thru the firewall through an existing hole. there a gromet looking existing hole (on the TL's) that has some wires going thru it and i just snuck it in with those...
08-19-2009, 06:28 PM
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he does good work
Originally Posted by jjashaa
wow.. it sounds very sexy as well.
wanna trade cars? lolol.. jk
wanna trade cars? lolol.. jk
Originally Posted by Excelerate
Impressive #'s for only 4 psi.
Originally Posted by Accord_V6_400m
VERY NICE!!
Time to race again
Time to race again
08-19-2009, 07:23 PM
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they lost my graph when i pulled 372hp but i still have it haha. but i really think you're going to reap the benefits of your meth setup. I wasn't running any meth during the tuning process but i know what it can do for IAT temps
I just ran the vacuum line thru the firewall through an existing hole. there a gromet looking existing hole (on the TL's) that has some wires going thru it and i just snuck it in with those...
haha. but i really think you're going to reap the benefits of your meth setup. I wasn't running any meth during the tuning process but i know what it can do for IAT temps I just ran the vacuum line thru the firewall through an existing hole. there a gromet looking existing hole (on the TL's) that has some wires going thru it and i just snuck it in with those...
08-19-2009, 07:46 PM
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Nice work, breaking hella ground. I love how the TL/accord dyno graphs always just keep rising, I'd love to race a sc'd one and see how the power bands matched up.
08-19-2009, 09:40 PM
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Burning Brakes
.......Originally Posted by 04accordcpe
what the AEM has over the GEMU is being an ALL-IN-ONE unit, with the ability to contol everything (a/f, timimg, vtec)
i thought the greddy ultimate also controls timing , airfuel & vtec ....??
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08-20-2009, 12:21 AM
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Three Wheelin'
you can't just run e85 on just any car...there's certain things that need to be changed. fuel pump must be capable of operating with electrically conductive ethanol instead of non-conducting dielectric gasoline fuel. Fuel injection system should be upgraded to have a wider range of pulse widths to inject approximately 40% more fuel than, than current pump gas. stainless steel fuel lines, sometimes lined with plastic, and stainless steel fuel tanks in place of terne fuel tanks are used. cars with fuel-tank mounted fuel pumps, additional differences to prevent arcing , as well as
flame arrestors positioned in the tank's fill pipe.
e85 has an octane rating of about 105.....while gas at 91-93 octane when you run a methanol injection bumps to about 116 octane,
Using E85 in a gasoline engine has the disadvantage of lower fuel economy as more fuel is needed per unit air to get the correct afr to run the engine in comparison with gasoline. This translates to a lower heating value for E85 than gasoline.
so, for now, pollution is better 93 octane pump gas through ur injectors + methanol through ur intake =116 octane in ur combustion chamber....question is, HAVE YOU GOT BOOST?
flame arrestors positioned in the tank's fill pipe.
e85 has an octane rating of about 105.....while gas at 91-93 octane when you run a methanol injection bumps to about 116 octane,
Using E85 in a gasoline engine has the disadvantage of lower fuel economy as more fuel is needed per unit air to get the correct afr to run the engine in comparison with gasoline. This translates to a lower heating value for E85 than gasoline.
so, for now, pollution is better
93 octane pump gas through ur injectors + methanol through ur intake =116 octane in ur combustion chamber....question is, HAVE YOU GOT BOOST?
08-20-2009, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by pass427
i thought the greddy ultimate also controls timing , airfuel & vtec ....??
. its not compatible with our ecu's as far as the timing goes. to bad, cause the GEMU has ALOT of cool features like launch control, timing advancing etc,... rather than just being a fuel ignition controller like the AEM
Originally Posted by tl2slow
hey 04accordcpe you think i can tune my motor with all my mods with either the aem or greddy????
Originally Posted by mrlunecy
nice!!!
time to upgrade from hondata, since updates pretty much fell off. I WANT MORE POWER!!!
time to upgrade from hondata, since updates pretty much fell off. I WANT MORE POWER!!!
dont expect anything from hondata, they dumped the entire project. it ended up being a major waste of time for them
08-20-2009, 03:46 AM
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Three Wheelin'
accord...
you said "tuning with meth gave you an additional 20 hp.... what exactly do you mean?
did you use meth as part of the fuel supply,lets say 90% fuel and 10% meth to satisfy the safe AFR, or u only used it as extra after having satisfied AFR on gas alone, and simply using it to cool down the IATs, which enables you to leave ignition timing untouched, since meth raises the octane of the pump gas to around race gas, plus the benefit of the water lowering combustion temps since you ran 50/50.
you may have done this, but i think the AEM F/IC offers the ability of having multiple maps that you can switch in between...so having one map tuned to pump gas alone, without meth, and having another map tuned with meth, using the methanol as part of the fuel supply, this way if ya ran outta meth if u depend on it, you could just switch back to ur "pump gas" map and not have to stay off boost till you get meth.
i know some will just say, well have enough meth to go around lol, and thats understandable, but last time i ran out, i had to wait a week for it because i couldn't find it locally. so a week of driving from 0 vac to below lol
what size nozzle did you run?
you said "tuning with meth gave you an additional 20 hp.... what exactly do you mean?
did you use meth as part of the fuel supply,lets say 90% fuel and 10% meth to satisfy the safe AFR, or u only used it as extra after having satisfied AFR on gas alone, and simply using it to cool down the IATs, which enables you to leave ignition timing untouched, since meth raises the octane of the pump gas to around race gas, plus the benefit of the water lowering combustion temps since you ran 50/50.
you may have done this, but i think the AEM F/IC offers the ability of having multiple maps that you can switch in between...so having one map tuned to pump gas alone, without meth, and having another map tuned with meth, using the methanol as part of the fuel supply, this way if ya ran outta meth if u depend on it, you could just switch back to ur "pump gas" map and not have to stay off boost till you get meth.
i know some will just say, well have enough meth to go around lol, and thats understandable, but last time i ran out, i had to wait a week for it because i couldn't find it locally. so a week of driving from 0 vac to below lol
what size nozzle did you run?
08-20-2009, 04:34 AM
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accord...
you said "tuning with meth gave you an additional 20 hp.... what exactly do you mean?
did you use meth as part of the fuel supply,lets say 90% fuel and 10% meth to satisfy the safe AFR, or u only used it as extra after having satisfied AFR on gas alone, and simply using it to cool down the IATs, which enables you to leave ignition timing untouched, since meth raises the octane of the pump gas to around race gas, plus the benefit of the water lowering combustion temps since you ran 50/50.
you may have done this, but i think the AEM F/IC offers the ability of having multiple maps that you can switch in between...so having one map tuned to pump gas alone, without meth, and having another map tuned with meth, using the methanol as part of the fuel supply, this way if ya ran outta meth if u depend on it, you could just switch back to ur "pump gas" map and not have to stay off boost till you get meth.
i know some will just say, well have enough meth to go around lol, and thats understandable, but last time i ran out, i had to wait a week for it because i couldn't find it locally. so a week of driving from 0 vac to below lol
what size nozzle did you run?
you said "tuning with meth gave you an additional 20 hp.... what exactly do you mean?
did you use meth as part of the fuel supply,lets say 90% fuel and 10% meth to satisfy the safe AFR, or u only used it as extra after having satisfied AFR on gas alone, and simply using it to cool down the IATs, which enables you to leave ignition timing untouched, since meth raises the octane of the pump gas to around race gas, plus the benefit of the water lowering combustion temps since you ran 50/50.
you may have done this, but i think the AEM F/IC offers the ability of having multiple maps that you can switch in between...so having one map tuned to pump gas alone, without meth, and having another map tuned with meth, using the methanol as part of the fuel supply, this way if ya ran outta meth if u depend on it, you could just switch back to ur "pump gas" map and not have to stay off boost till you get meth.
i know some will just say, well have enough meth to go around lol, and thats understandable, but last time i ran out, i had to wait a week for it because i couldn't find it locally. so a week of driving from 0 vac to below lol
what size nozzle did you run?
my previous dyno, i topped out at 328hp/287tq with the same exact mods (minus the meth inj and vtec control) thats why i say i gained approx 20hp/13tq regarding the mulitiple maps, i didnt even bother with it. i ALWAYS have an extra bottle of meth in my car, but if there was ever a time i ran out, ill simply keep off the throttle until i refill it.
right now im using the middle nozzle. i believe its the 250hp-350hp range and its perfect for my setup IMO. im basically only using the first stage of the meth kit, since the second stage sprays at a minimum of 7psi. im only half way there lol. the meth goes pretty fast as is. i couldnt imagine what its like if the second stage was kicking in O.o
08-20-2009, 06:14 AM
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Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by accord04
sadly no . its not compatible with our ecu's as far as the timing goes. to bad, cause the GEMU has ALOT of cool features like launch control, timing advancing etc,... rather than just being a fuel ignition controller like the AEM ...
Know I'm confused tring to get to the bottom of this reason been we will be testing greddy also, but I can't seem to understand how banelba made over 400hp with ultimate ,but to make that much power timing has to be retarded but you said timing cannot be controlled by ultimate confusing.....
Also accord04 in one of your earlier post you said the blue is able to adjust ignition & airfuel how did that work and what's the major difference between the ultimate & the blue as far as timing control why the ultimate can't control timing but the blue can....just tring to get some feed back on these greddy before we try them out .....
sadly no . its not compatible with our ecu's as far as the timing goes. to bad, cause the GEMU has ALOT of cool features like launch control, timing advancing etc,... rather than just being a fuel ignition controller like the AEM ...
Know I'm confused tring to get to the bottom of this reason been we will be testing greddy also, but I can't seem to understand how banelba made over 400hp with ultimate ,but to make that much power timing has to be retarded but you said timing cannot be controlled by ultimate confusing.....
Also accord04 in one of your earlier post you said the blue is able to adjust ignition & airfuel how did that work and what's the major difference between the ultimate & the blue as far as timing control why the ultimate can't control timing but the blue can....just tring to get some feed back on these greddy before we try them out .....
08-20-2009, 10:55 AM
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3 psi & 347hp / 300 tq!! on a J32!!...
08-22-2009, 09:43 PM
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HONDura sounds better
well except for that whole president being overthrown and all
then theres
HACURA (sounds like a japanese mafia)
ACUNDA (sounds like a snake)
well except for that whole president being overthrown and all
then theres
HACURA (sounds like a japanese mafia)
ACUNDA (sounds like a snake)
08-26-2009, 11:51 AM
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08-26-2009, 06:09 PM
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traction SUCKS! you will absolutely annihilate me from a dig :/ now a 40mph roll would be interesting to see
. my car weighs in at about 3230lbs. roughy 200lbs or so lighter than a TL.
08-26-2009, 10:40 PM
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accord is faster off a roll. with a few bolt ons, such as CAI and half of exhaust work at a mere 235-240 whp, i was dead even with mid 13 sec cars from 40 mph...lack of hook up is what kept the TL above 13s on street tires....because based on its stock power, it was always an easy high 13 sec, and thats the base tl.....the power accord has now, and im sure he does it at his best, but with good driving, he should escort a high 11s, low 12s, from a roll, easily and give it a great fight
08-26-2009, 11:01 PM
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havent gone to the 1/4 mile in a looong time. but best time to date was 13.1 @105mph. that was with my j30 and many many mods ago. at the time i was 308hp/260 tq.
traction SUCKS! you will absolutely annihilate me from a dig :/ now a 40mph roll would be interesting to see. my car weighs in at about 3230lbs. roughy 200lbs or so lighter than a TL.
traction SUCKS! you will absolutely annihilate me from a dig :/ now a 40mph roll would be interesting to see
. my car weighs in at about 3230lbs. roughy 200lbs or so lighter than a TL.`congrats on the amazing numbers.... its crazy to see the power thats being made on the 3G TL now too... i was always a power-whore, and by the time i sold my type-s, people are making 437whp on 9 psi
Honestly... here is a the problem with the J Series FWD cars, and i think this should be your next project... (not sure if you have already), is your driveline...
i think because of transverse mount, that drive shafts arent equal length on these cars.... this causes the crazy torque steer... ever drive a FWD Audi? torque steer is minimum because the car is longitudinally mounted... so the drive shafts are equal length...so when you floor it, theres no delay in the movement getting to the wheels.... with the transverse mount, one wheel is always going to start spinning before AND quicker then the other ( this is all just my guess)
of course , you cant re-align your engine... but what do you think can be done on your car to upgrade your drive components up front? beef up the axles? with a really good 0-60' time, your car should be entering 11's at a 3200lb weigh, and over 400hp and the crank
p.s. i love my J37A4 AWD
too bad its slow as shit, but a great canvas to build an awesome car on