Gonna have to totally agree with you here. If you are not worried about the strutual rigidity then there was no need to install the greddy bar.

Strut bars reduce body flex a lot more than people care to even understand. I don't track or auto-x any of my cars but I drive them extremely hard and push them even harder in the turns. From my experience they are well worth the money and very noticable if you actually "drive" your car. I have run my vehicles with the bars on for several months and then yanked them off to see if I can feel the difference. The funny thing is you don't feel the difference at all when you add them but the car seems to turn in a lot better with less push. Some claim they can't but I always could. I have personally used Cusco (2 subarus) and Neuspeed (VW GTi VR6) bars in the past and look forward to Carbing's new release for my DC5 with an added benefit being a brake master cylinder brace.

 

and maybe protecting your windshield as well

 

So what options to strut bars do I have? I would really like to know if that cusco bar fits. Right now the only compatible bar I've heard of is the Greddy Accord bar. does Carbing or Neuspeed have one as well? Links would be VERY appreciated.

Oh btw, the reason I ask is because I will probably have Teins with EDFC in the next month or two, when my TL arrives at the dealer

 

Yea, the ruler would bend, but that does directly relate to the 'test' shown above. A plastic ruler is not a mulit-piece item. And it takes significantly more force to bend it by pushing the ends than it does bending it in the middle up and down. So I don't think this analogy translates over as directly as you make it sound.

The question must be asked as well...ANY brace will bend with a given amount of force applied to the ends. BUT, will the chassis actually apply enough force for it to make a difference? In other words, if the car's chassis applies 100 lbs of force of compression on a strut bar, and an adjustable bar resists bending to 150 bs, and a non adjustable bar resists bending to 185 lbs, will it really make a difference which bar you use? The answer is yes, because one will cost less and one will weigh less. But both will resist the chassis's movements just as well.


Maybe if this guy is going to try comparing a greddy bar to a neuspeed one, he should use a greddy bar, not a shitty ebay one. That looks like a billet bar with adjustable ends. The construction is significantly different than the Cusco brace.

I have to hear the story about how you've expereiced flexing with the cusco bar. And I'd like to see what components they have are universally used. I have been a cusco dealer for 3 years now and have not noticed what you are implying.



Please know that I am a supporter of the Neuspeed philosophy on chassis bracing as well. But are they that much stronger? No. Properly formed aluminum structures are much mroe rigid than tubular steel. With the type of load pictured you might not see it though. You need varying loads and impacts to see that difference. For an example, aluminum bicycle frames are far more rigid than steel ones. Does not mean they are not strong or good or something.

In truth I think they mostly are all adequite. And which strut bar you run comes down to one or more of these factors:
-cost
-looks
-space requirements
I don't think effectiveness really is a huge consideration on these parts. All the above are generally pretty effective-save the billet aluminum ones, those suck.

Marcus

 

So, which one is the best bar setup possible for 3g TL w/ tein ss & EDFC mod.? im lost.

 

03+ Honda Accord Greddy strut bar.

 

and it looks like w/ some modication the neuspeed accord 03+ bar fits as well.

 

OEM strut bar severely cut to accomodate the edfc motors...


03+ Honda Accord Greddy strut bar installed in UA6 TL...

 

The greddy bar, based on space requirements. If we find the TSX bar fits, it will probably be a better choice since the brackets are far more beefy and less contorted.

Neuspeed is a good choice, but we don't know if it fits or if it allows room for the EDFC.

 

Let me know if this cusco bar works mrheeltoe. It's one of the things I'm holding off my tien ss w/edfc install for.

 

[QUOTE=ACCURATEin]OEM strut bar severely cut to accomodate the edfc motors...


Can the connection rod deelywhacker between the EDFC and the adjustment nut on the top of the shock be lengthened 1.5" or so to allow the EDFC to be mounted directly on to the stock bar and actuate through a hole drilled through the stock bar? This would seem like the best solution as far as structural integrity.

 

[QUOTE=pohljm]Not a bad idea... Yoi'd need a machine shop to make that happen though.
If structural rigidity was a signifcant problem, I'd consider that... but the Greddy is more than enough.

The Accord platform isn't much different, and the sedan's don't even come with a bar. It doesn't do "that much". Feedback from folks that have tried the greddy bar is they can't feel a difference between it and stock. Sure, it only uses 2 points and is hinged, but it's a thicker/more solid design... which seems to counteract the lack of a third mount.

I'm unsure of why folks continue to Monday morning quarterback this issue based upon physical perceptions without rearlworld testing... when those who have tested are giving a

I'm just doing the Greddy bar and calling it done.

 

My perception based upon that feedback would be that the stock bar cut with a plasma cutter to accomodate the EDFC, not the way it was cut with a wheel and overcut on the corners shown above would be just as strong as the greddy bar and mount system.

Do you know if the EDFC needs to be oriented as shown above , or can it be rotated 45 degrees so that a corner of it would be centered on the tube? If that were the case less material would have to be removed in structurally critical areas and it would remain very strong.

 

The EDFC can be mounted any direction.

 

Can anyone find out whether or not the cusco bar fits in any way? I would really like to know. Also, can I use a Greddy Accord bar w/ the Cusco style mounts because those look very sound.

 

We are actually trying to figure this right now. Mr. HeelToe has a Greddy bar and is getting the Cusco bar, he will compare the lenghts of the bars and get back to us. Hopefully with goodnews

in your other question, Do you mean by inter-changing the bars? I dont think that is possible because Im pretty sure Greddy does test's to make sure that their Strut bars really do the job and lessen flexing of the body (im not sure though)

 

your windshield cracked before from lack of a strut brace?





oh, and....your PM is full

 

I'm guessing he's able to actually dip, dodge, duck, dart and dodge flying objects from oversized vehicles improperly securing their possesions.

 

LMAO...that's about the only way I see it happening

 

Yeah last year i had a crack in the windshield that started from the passenger side that ran from the bottom and kept growing about 6mm per day. This was when i was running the hacked oem strut bar. I think Meek32v6 even saw it at the Maryland/DC meet about a year ago. Everyone I talked to said it was probably a stress fracture, and could have been due to the weakened strut bar. This was also when i drove the car pretty hard, so if you're not an agressive driver then you probably dont have to worry about this happening to you.

I'll clear out some of the PMs, thanks for the heads up.

 

The CL7 and CL9 accord strut bar will not fit on the UA6 TL.

BUT, your inquiry about using the greddy bar with the cusco mounts for the accord might be a winner.

 

I don't believe it but I'm going to have to take your word for it...I guess I'll be putting a bar on this weekend, damned EDFC

 

now do yourself a favor and install it correctly man. you are only harming your cars performance by not getting the new top hats. I mean really that bar is useless the way you have it mounted right now with only one bolt on each side.

 

Have you actually tried this? I am going to physically try it this weekend. I have a greddy bad and a Cusco bar here, and a 3G coming tomorrow.

Marcus

 

This could be true. Also the faster you drive...i am one of those who 55 is 80
Everytime I get a new mod I take it out to an empty parking lot or service road and test them out periodically. My Next test will be with my CT RSB...maybe i'll get to do that this weekend. But the windshield thing was a manufacture defect and they were correcting that for free. Again most people probably dont drive their car anywhere close to me or even ACC so it never becomes an issue..

 

I would like to see this. I dont see why it wouldn't work.
as JDMLug said they are made by the same person so they can't be that different. Just swap the bar and mounts. If anything would be an issue i would think it would be the width of the bar itself fitting between the cusco mounts

 

yes, but they are made for totally different cars.

For a little insight, the Accord Greddy bar does not fit a TSX, I tried it today. It is too Long.

 

...no i havent attempted to try it out, but i'm just fairly confident it won't work because the tsx runs on a different chassis design. I wish the TL and TSX were the same.

 

haha Jason you're not supposed to remind everyone that mine is half-ass installed. But yes you're right i should probably think about installing the accord top hats, or maybe even the Accord TEIN SS pillowball mounts which would be even cooler. It's just too much of a hastle to take the struts all the way out just to get those extra studs in place.

Do you have a close up picture of your Cusco bar where it mounts to the strut tower?

 

you mean TL right? or are you saying that the TSX mounts don't fit on a TL?

 

I think he tried to install the accord greddy bar on the tsx and found it was too long.

The TSX mounts probably fit though.

 

...i don't think the greddy bar with the cusco mounts will work either.

 

I have a feeling it is not going to fit But I hope im wrong

 

Well, we are going to find out today.

 

There's no way in the world a TSX bar would fit the TL. Now you might possibly be able to use the ends from the TSX cusco bar on a Accord Greddy bar assuming that the bar is the same width which I highly doubt.

 

Great! well let me know. Also, could you please check if the Greddy and Cusco bars are the same width as to allow using the Cusco mounts with the Greddy bar? I know these questions dont seem like they have much hope, but I would like to know.

Thanks again

 

NO, the Cusco TSX bar will not fit. The brackets will fit, 2 holes need to be drilled in it. No mods to the car. The bar is too short. About 1.125" too short actually.

And The Greddy bar is shorter than the TSX one, so that won't work either. The brackets will swap over, but it still will not fit.

I am going to see if I can get them made!

Marcus

 

Now that would be a very profitable part if you can pull it off. Not only that it gives all the tein EDFC owners a solution.

 

sigh. I am waiting to purchase my tien SS when there's an appealing EDFC solution.

 

I will figure it out. I am going to work on it!