SharksBreath

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^keep saving man. this is an expensive endeavor. i bought the J&R ECU for $1225 during the group buy. thought i was done. thought it was plug and play and good to go.

come to find out...there are added expenses. knock sensor $110...AFR gauge/bung $175...dyno/tune time $400ish...welding for bung $100...mounting gauge to drivers side pillar custom wrapped $100...pod $25...and it keeps going and going and going...

maharajamd

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Forgive me but those aren't necessarily things you NEED (maybe sans the knock sensor) but things you want to have or that compliment what you are doing.

Those rules/add-ons would still apply here.

VicTL06

Was it worth it? Is the car driving like a dream? How many extra whp, wtq and/or mpg you squeeze out of it?

Locomaaan

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Well one thing is for sure , im not going turbo. NA all the way!
I plan to build a carputer soon. Couldnt i use the lcd screen to show stuff like afr live?

TheChamp531

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If you want to be sure of what you're buying, then I would buy it. You don't wanna be running too lean.

maharajamd

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Maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about.

anx1300c

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Not really sure how you can compare pricing against a product that hasn't even been released yet, but if one estimates what this would cost if it was to be eventually released, by comparing it to current offerings, it will be less than half the price of the J&R, which is more than a few bucks or even a few hundred bucks.

And cost isn't the only factor to consider. H&R has dealers all over the country. On the other hand, it seems tough to find tuners who want to mess with MS3.

bouncer07

What I feel is that AFR should be added in the software when your live tuning or just datalogging, it should have it there instead of you not buying gauges in front of your laptop.

SharksBreath

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meh.

i think you need some form of monitoring on the AFR's. you def want to keep an eye on your numbers and make sure they are in the ball park. and the tune/dyno time can vary from area to area, sure. but it's proven difficult to find a tuner that works with MS3.

yeah it was worth it. it gives you the ability to completely tune almost every aspect of the TL. it pulls hard and long in every gear since redline was increased.

i don't have any numbers yet, haven't gotten it dyno'd OR properly tuned for that matter. i'm just running the map that was sent to me by Rodney...BUT i will have everything good to go by next month after i set up the AFR and get some dyno/tune time at a shop i found in the area.

maharajamd

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I had my old JDM H22 bolted on to hell and back with a ecu flash and tune. Although I can't recall if we flashed and tuned the h22 ecu or if I ran a flashed/tuned teg/civic ecu. Anyways... once it was properly tuned I never thought about it again. And def never thought about monitoring it.

I guess I always just assumed people used the gauges and monitoring systems when they are doing something serious like FI...

Possibly an old school notion though.

justnspace

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With the TL's high compression, you'll want to monitor for precaution.

maharajamd

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H22A - 10.6-11.0:1
J32A3/J35A - 11.0:1

SharksBreath

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FI may be in my future at some point, might as well get the monitoring aspect out of the way now.

justnspace

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just being safe
in stock form, the TL pre-detonates or knocks.

maharajamd

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No doubt. I would certainly do the knock side of things. Plus it's just cool and fun to have.

I'm just saying for people who are...less informed...those are optional add-ons when tuning not requirements (excluding the knock stuff).

How's the custom gauges coming along?

justnspace

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that's just being ignorant.
When you mod, you have to take into consideration the pros and cons.
a lot of people on this forum just stick stupid stuffs on without researching.

I'm following in Aarons path. s2k pod with my pillar being sent to jptl

maharajamd

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What's ignorant about that? In my opinion a lot of people here who have modded their TLs have never modded other cars before. Therefore, they likely know little to nothing about tuning because well we just now finally got the option to do so. So when Loco asked a question and shark said "yea man but the added expenses..." I didn't want people to think you HAVE to HAVE those things. They are nice, and recommended, and as I said the knock stuff is probably a need not a want, but they are not required to run a tuned ecu.

All I'm saying.

SharksBreath

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ok, maharajamd...you caught me! i just want to have a cool digital guage mounted on my side pillar that lights up RED to match my type-s interior lights!

justnspace

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when you went to go look at swing sets with your wife, you did look at all the pros and cons, right?
same thing applies here.
I would like to be informed and protected against crabs in the future.
Just saying.

maharajamd

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Hey man I'm not trying to catch you I'm just trying to provide quality clear information.

What do I know anyways, I've never messed with tuning a TL.

Edit: Don't go low justn it's not worth it. I promise I know more about tuning cars then you do about that.

justnspace

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I'd rather be protected than to be caught with my pants around my ankles

speculating: maybe the HR tune/flash is a very conservative tune.
where you dont need to monitor.

maharajamd

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Just like the JnR ECU this gives you the ability to tune. And just like the JnR I assume they would ship it with some kind of conservative base. And possibly, just like the JnR, they would ship it out with optional "pretunes" for bolt-ons and or FI setups (though I doubt it, that's one pro you probably get from Rodney that other companies won't do...*major assumption there*).

So be it a reflash or a stand alone ecu, they are only as progressive or conservative as you tune them to be.

FCVadi

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I just want to go Ricky Bobby

SharksBreath

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maharajamd

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Still though shark, in the end even with all the extra stuff, the performance you are getting for less then $2200 is not bad at all.

What does a pcd/jpipe/exhaust get you? That's at least what, $1900? And you gain...??

SharksBreath

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yeah i know, the further i dove into this adventure...the more money i realized i'd be spending. and that's okay, i just want people to realize it's not just an ECU and you're done.

swoosh

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Chad you got your a solid head on your shoulders....

Aaron....the knock monitor/AFR/etc were/are not MANDATORY but RECOMMENDED !!! if you want you can just get it tuned and not worry about anything.....but its highly recommended you monitor knock and AFR....now you can keep going with adding an EGT sensor and more gauges for MAF/MAP....it basically depends on your needs.....

if you are very very OCD, you will put an EGT and AFR gauge for both banks.....

TheChamp531

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Your analogies are priceless.

maharajamd

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There's only so many reasons we keep him around...

justnspace

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its not because of my crabs?

Sonnick

We need your crabs as much as we need MazdaspeedGod. But we do need justnspace.

InFaMouSLink

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Fixed

justnspace

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^

maharajamd

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I feel bad for HRT when he comes in here and checks the latest posts. Lol

He's probably thinking

bouncer07

Chit Chat, chit chat, chit chat... mess..mess..

Sonnick

I doubt HR Tuning will see this for quite some time, but are there any updates here? I'm not sure how they're K series endeavor went, but I'm looking into it as well.

3gstealth

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Any updates? I hope they didn't give up on us...

gjuice101

nice

highspeed

lmao

Sonnick

Fixed. LOL wow.