Extreme Teaser: Another real tuning option? :D
04-20-2012, 12:32 AM
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04-20-2012, 01:56 AM
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04-20-2012, 08:51 AM
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Anil, I see what you did there 
Mahara: Would you object to me emailing their distributor? I don't want to blow up your spot or your buddys.
Mahara: Would you object to me emailing their distributor? I don't want to blow up your spot or your buddys.
04-20-2012, 08:57 AM
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Well I mean the cat is kinda out of the bag now. That public facebook post obviously, to me at least, shows there is something coming. 
Just don't say where you got the info from! LOL
Just don't say where you got the info from! LOL
04-20-2012, 09:01 AM
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^ I wouldn't. I didn't see the 'actual' Facebook post on their page, but I saw Anil's LOL. Those ECU's don't necessarily mean it's for the J series though? I'm not saying they aren't making anything for the J series, I'm just saying based on that picture, I wouldn't be able to tell what ECU it was.
04-20-2012, 09:15 AM
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On that note...we are talking about Neptune here.
http://www.hrtuning.com/pages/category/neptune-rtp
https://www.facebook.com/NepTuneEngineManagement
Assuming it will follow some of the features of their current P series ECU RTP... Although I'm sure some of this stuff doesn't even apply to us...
http://www.hrtuning.com/pages/category/neptune-rtp
https://www.facebook.com/NepTuneEngineManagement
Assuming it will follow some of the features of their current P series ECU RTP... Although I'm sure some of this stuff doesn't even apply to us...
- Beautiful 3D Beveled interface.
- User Friendly Toolbars with the options you need most.
- Real-Time Datalogging Of Sensor Data, Inputs, Outputs, and ECU Data.
- On Board Logging With Lossless Compression To Allow 3 To 5 Times The Regular Amount Of Data To Be Recorded. Offers Up To 12 Hours Of Datalogging Time With Compression Enabled.
- Datalog Playback, Save, and Export to CSV.
- Datalog Trimming.
- Datalog Commenting For Later Review or Sharing With A Tuner.
- Graphing Of Sensor Information With Real-Time Values and Live Scrub (Dragging with mouse).
- Live Graphing Of Real-Time Sensor Trends.
- Direct Serial Logging From LC-1, LM-1, and LM-2 Products (LM-2 USB Is Fully Supported).
- Map Trace and Lambda Trace.
- 24x24 Ignition and Fuel Maps For Precise Tuning.
- Manage And Switch Between Up To 3 Separate Tunes. Each Separate Tune Includes A Fully Separate Set Of Maps and Parameters.
- Dual Tables For Low/High Boost, Different Fuels, or Alpha-N (ITB) Tuning.
- Easy Injector Sizing.
- Fuel Trims for Cranking, TPS Tip-In, Post Start, and Individual Cylinders.
- Rev Limiter with Fuel Cut, Ignition Cut, or Both.
- Rev Limits Per Gear.
- Launch Control (2-step) With Anti-Lag.
- Full-Throttle Shift.
- Use The Check Engine Light As A Shiftlight With Different RPM Settings Per Gear.
- Idle Adjustments for Idle Speed, Idle Speed vs ECT, and Idle Ignition Corrections.
- Air Temp Corrections.
- Water Temp Corrections.
- Gear Based Fuel and Ignition Corrections.
- Access To Many Other Stock Fuel and Ignition Adjustments.
- PWM Boost Control With Simple, Boost By Gear, and Gear vs RPM Modes.
- Quad Stage Boost Control.
- Adjustable Prime Duration At Key On.
- Overheat Protection.
- Closed Loop Control With Selectable O2 Input, Conditions, and Wideband Support.
- Anti-Theft feature requires inputs or a code to be entered with TPS and Brake pedal. Also has a valet/fallback mode with adjustable rev limit.
- 2 Multi-purpose Outputs With Fuel and Ignition Adjustments.
- 1 Multi-purpose Output With Multiple Output Settings Based On MPH.
- 9 Programmable Analog Inputs For Extra Sensors. 4 Can Be Used Through The ECU For Closed Loop And Other Features.
RTP Features
- On Board Datalogging (Demon RTP) - Up to 12 hours of recording time with compression enabled
- Real-Time Datalogging - Access to many data points in real-time
- Real-Time Tuning - Live tuning capabilities via NepTune RTP Software with full control of all parameters and maps
- Wireless Capability - With bluetooth Add-On Module
- Primary and Secondary Maps - Primary and Secondary low and high cam fuel and ignition maps. 8 maps total. 24 load breakpoints by 24 rpm breakpoints for precise tuning. Low and high cam both can be scaled to go to 11000 and above
- Rev Limits Per Gear
- Fuel And/Or Ignition Cut
- High and Low Cam Rev Limits - Low cam rev limit doubles as a cold limit
- High and Low Load VTEC Engagement RPMs - Separate engagement RPMs for low and high load
- TPS threshold decides low/high load - This option decides whether to use the low or high load engagement RPM
- Minimum load for engagement - This option only allows VTEC to engage above the specified load
- Disengage below minimum load - When VTEC is engaged this option determines whether or not to disengage below the minimum load or disengage below the set engagement RPM
- Minimum Speed
- Minimum ECT
- VTEC Disable - For Non-VTEC setups
- VTEC Speed Threshold Disable - Allows VTEC to activate at launch or on setups without a VSS
- VTEC Temperature Threshold Disable - Allows VTEC to activate while the car isn’t fully warmed up
- VTEC Pressure Disable - For setups without a VTEC Pressure switch
- VTEC Error Check Disable - Only suggested for race vehicles
- New and old injector size - Can be used with the overall trim to rescale for new injector sizes
- Overall Fuel Trim - Globally applied fuel correction
- TPS Tip-In Fuel Trim - Correction to accurately tune TPS Tip-In for different size injectors and different setups
- Cranking Fuel Trim - Fuel correction for Raw Cranking Fuel Maps
- Post Start Fuel Trim - Correction for fuel delivered immediately after startup
- Adjustable ECT vs Raw Cranking Fuel Maps - Used to determine how much fuel is used to start the engine
- Adjustable ECT vs Fuel Enrichment Maps - Used for cold start enrichment
- Adjustable ECT vs Ignition Correction Maps - Used for cold start correction
- Adjustable IAT vs Fuel Enrichment Maps - Complete fuel correction for weather changes
- Adjustable IAT vs Ignition Correction Maps - Ignition correction for intake temperature
- Adjustable Gear Based Fuel Enrichment Maps - Allows balancing of air/fuel ratios between different gears
- Adjustable Gear Based Ignition Correction Maps - Can be used as an aid for traction
- Adjustable Idle Ignition Corrections
- Adjustable Ignition Limitations For Ignition Maps
- Adjustable Ignition Dwell Control
- Adjustable Tip-In Ignition Corrections
- Adjustable Individual Cylinder Fuel Trim - Allows adjustments to fuel to obtain equal individual cylinder EGTs and more
- Injector Battery Compensation - Allows adjustments to fuel based on battery voltage
- Target Idle
- ECT vs Target Idle maps - Fully adjustable ECT and target idle values for the startup idle maps
- IACV Duty Cycle Adjustment - Allows adjustment of IACV duty cycle to help you reach your target RPM
- Above RPM
- Above TPS threshold
- Idle Recovery - Disengages the AC clutch below this RPM to help regain control over a low idle
- Activation by MPH - No need for a clutch switch!
- Activation by TPS threshold - Rev until any RPM you choose, cross the TPS threshold and it holds that RPM
- Activation by switch/clutch switch - Can be used to turn 2-step on/off or used as a clutch input
- MPH threshold for 2-step - Can help limit you off the line to keep traction under control
- Ignition Retard/Fuel Enrichment - Allows you to build boost off the 2-step
- TPS threshold for retard/enrichment - Allows you to pre-stage on the 2-step before building boost
- Full Throttle Shift - Holds the target RPM during shifts. Requires use of a clutch input
- Selectable clutch switch input - Several inputs to choose from to fit what’s available
- Activation Input - Not required for activation but can be used as an on/off switch
- Activation Output - Several outputs to choose from
- Minimum RPM
- Maximum RPM
- Minimum Load
- Maximum Load
- Minimum speed
- Minimum Throttle Position
- Minimum Intake Air Temperature
- Maximum Intake Air Temperature
- Minimum Engine Coolant Temperature
- Maximum Engine Coolant Temperature
- Ignition Retard By RPM - Retards ignition while activated
- Fuel Enrichment By RPM - Adds fuel while activated
- Switch maps on activation - Ability to use secondary maps to completely tune for nitrous
- Disable on FTL/FTS
- Disable if MIL code
- Activation Input - Not required for activation but can be used as an on/off switch
- Activation Output - Selectable outputs for each stage of boost
- Minimum RPM
- Minimum speed
- Minimum Throttle Position
- Boost Cut - Keeps you from going over a determined safe level of boost
- Variable Frequency For Multiple Solenoid Types
- Quick Spool Duty Cycle And Load Setting - Allows you to hold a specific duty cycle until the load condition
- Set Duty
- Boost By Gear
- Boost By Gear vs RPM
- Low/Hi Boost Switch Input
- *Fan Control Allows full control of what temperature the fan is activated
- Activation Output
- Minimum Engine Coolant Temperature
- Maximum Speed
- Flexible Dual Map Setup - Primary and secondary maps can be setup to use MAP or TPS as load reference, Load and RPM breakpoints can be completely different. Can be used for extending load points/rpm breakpoints, alpha-n scaling, pump/race tunes, etc
- Activation Input - Not required for activation but can be used as a switch between the different maps
- Minimum RPM
- Minimum Load - Optional setting, can be disabled. For use with maps extending onto the secondary maps
- Minimum Throttle Position - Optional setting, can be disabled. For use with Alpha-N scaling for ITB tuning
- Use High Cam Maps Only - Can be used to tune VTEC setups using one set of maps only
- Required Inputs - Can require multiple inputs to be set or unset
- Optionally Required Code - Code is entered via presses of the TPS and Brake Pedal
- Valet/Fallback Mode - Allows vehicle to start with adjustable rev limit as valet or fallback for Anti-Theft
- Full Wideband Support - Works with full 0-5v scale
- Target O2 Voltage - Can be changed to set target closed loop a/f
- Disable Closed Loop Above Load - Beneficial to small turbo and supercharged setups that build boost even at partial throttle
- Other Conditions - Conditions for ECT, IAT, and RPM
- Adjustable Voltage Error - Disables closed loop in the event of sensor failure
- Disable Closed Loop Error Option
- RPM vs TPS Threshold - Gives access to the maps that govern the stock closed loop routines
- Disable Closed Loop Option - Disables closed loop completely
- Disable Open Loop Lookup Table Option - Disables enrichments from the open loop lookup table
- ECT Threshold For Open Loop Table Use - The temperature that the Open Loop Lookup Table starts being applied
- Disable Knock Sensor
- Disable Injector Test Circuitry - Many EDM/JDM ECUs do not have this
- Disable BARO Sensor - Many EDM/JDM ECUs do not have this
- Disable ELD
- Disable O2 Heater - Allows use of 1 wire O2 sensor or no O2 sensor if Closed Loop is disabled
- Disable IACV Error - For vehicles that don’t have an IACV hooked up
- Disable IAB
- IAB Activation RPM
- MAP Sensor Support - Support for a wide range of map sensors from stock up to 5 bar and beyond via custom map settings
- 9 Programmable Analog Inputs - Allows logging of any 0-5v sensor. Breakpoints are fully configurable.
- Service Input - Allows you to change the service input to any other input or none at all. This frees up the service connector to be used as a switch for one of the other options. With "none" selected as the input, codes are shown with the car off key in the on position with the throttle over 65%
- Clear Codes With The Brake Pedal - If you wish to clear codes in memory you can press the brake pedal while checking your codes to clear them from memory
- Adjustable Fuel Prime Time
- MIL Shiftlight Per Gear - Activates the MIL at the specified RPM
- Adjustable Deceleration Fuel Cut - Load, Speed, and TPS dependent
- Lock Ignition Timing - Lock ignition steady to set ignition timing
- Injector Kill - To kill the engine without keying off
04-20-2012, 09:17 AM
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^ I wouldn't. I didn't see the 'actual' Facebook post on their page, but I saw Anil's LOL. Those ECU's don't necessarily mean it's for the J series though? I'm not saying they aren't making anything for the J series, I'm just saying based on that picture, I wouldn't be able to tell what ECU it was.
To me his comment was spot on. Vague but not misleading.
04-20-2012, 09:24 AM
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Anything this doesn't have? Lol. Damn.
Call me crazy, but I didn't see anything that specifically stated timing can be advanced. I did see ignition retard and plenty of "ignition" based parameters, but nothing that specifically said it can be advanced. I'm assuming it can, and if so, this sounds great.
EDIT: Ohhhh, they responded to Anil "We can't give any details at this point." 
Call me crazy, but I didn't see anything that specifically stated timing can be advanced. I did see ignition retard and plenty of "ignition" based parameters, but nothing that specifically said it can be advanced. I'm assuming it can, and if so, this sounds great.
EDIT: Ohhhh, they responded to Anil "We can't give any details at this point.
"
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04-20-2012, 09:38 AM
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Anything this doesn't have? Lol. Damn.
Call me crazy, but I didn't see anything that specifically stated timing can be advanced. I did see ignition retard and plenty of "ignition" based parameters, but nothing that specifically said it can be advanced. I'm assuming it can, and if so, this sounds great.
EDIT: Ohhhh, they responded to Anil "We can't give any details at this point."
Call me crazy, but I didn't see anything that specifically stated timing can be advanced. I did see ignition retard and plenty of "ignition" based parameters, but nothing that specifically said it can be advanced. I'm assuming it can, and if so, this sounds great.
EDIT: Ohhhh, they responded to Anil "We can't give any details at this point.
" 
AFAIK you can do whatever with timing.
Yea the response indicated (to me) that there is SOMETHING, they just can't divulge anything yet. If that's how it all is working I'm going to assume they will push forward with the K stuff first and deal with our much smaller market later.
04-20-2012, 09:52 AM
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04-20-2012, 10:39 AM
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^ Lol.
I'd have to agree with you Mahar. I hope it comes out soon I really need a tune.
I'm going to email Xenocron and see what's up. I'll keep it simple and 'anonymous' (well, sort of) and let you guys know what is said.
I'd have to agree with you Mahar. I hope it comes out soon I really need a tune.
I'm going to email Xenocron and see what's up. I'll keep it simple and 'anonymous' (well, sort of) and let you guys know what is said.
04-20-2012, 10:41 AM
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Go for it man. I don't see any harm at this point.
They probably know very little but I bet they will confirm if this is legit or not.
They probably know very little but I bet they will confirm if this is legit or not.
04-20-2012, 10:45 AM
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04-20-2012, 10:58 AM
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Anything this doesn't have? Lol. Damn.
Call me crazy, but I didn't see anything that specifically stated timing can be advanced. I did see ignition retard and plenty of "ignition" based parameters, but nothing that specifically said it can be advanced. I'm assuming it can, and if so, this sounds great.
EDIT: Ohhhh, they responded to Anil "We can't give any details at this point."
Call me crazy, but I didn't see anything that specifically stated timing can be advanced. I did see ignition retard and plenty of "ignition" based parameters, but nothing that specifically said it can be advanced. I'm assuming it can, and if so, this sounds great.
EDIT: Ohhhh, they responded to Anil "We can't give any details at this point.
"
04-20-2012, 11:55 AM
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Scroll down minimally and look on the right side. You'll see "Anil ......." and it has a little 1 under it. Click on it. 
04-20-2012, 12:11 PM
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I know it doesn't seem like much to lean on but between my insider rumor and that response I think it's only a matter of time!
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04-20-2012, 01:04 PM
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04-20-2012, 01:14 PM
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So what do you guys have cooking for the J series ???
NepTune Engine Management
Can't give any details at this point.
Edit: I like how you wrote out the emoticons as if you were on here. Lol
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Inaccurate will email everything to you I have send them a message also
I have send them a message also
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04-20-2012, 01:22 PM
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As far as the J I think they really did the impossible and completely reverse engineered it. That is what I was told.
He then went on to tell me a story of the guy who is doing all this. I'm not sure if he owns Neptune or what but he said that this particular individual cracked the Mercedes SLK 55 AMG ecu. Something no one else in the world had done. Mercedes caught wind of this and took legal action. To get around the legal issues a 55 AMG owner sold the car to him for $20k. He then cracked the ECU, tuned it, and sold the AMG back to the customer for $40k. Lol
04-20-2012, 01:24 PM
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04-20-2012, 01:32 PM
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I have no idea at this point. If all K series have been OBDII then I don't know what he was talking about when he said they figured something out for Ks that no one else had... Then he said what they have will kick Hondata Kpros ass...
As far as the J I think they really did the impossible and completely reverse engineered it. That is what I was told.
He then went on to tell me a story of the guy who is doing all this. I'm not sure if he owns Neptune or what but he said that this particular individual cracked the Mercedes SLK 55 AMG ecu. Something no one else in the world had done. Mercedes caught wind of this and took legal action. To get around the legal issues a 55 AMG owner sold the car to him for $20k. He then cracked the ECU, tuned it, and sold the AMG back to the customer for $40k. Lol
As far as the J I think they really did the impossible and completely reverse engineered it. That is what I was told.
He then went on to tell me a story of the guy who is doing all this. I'm not sure if he owns Neptune or what but he said that this particular individual cracked the Mercedes SLK 55 AMG ecu. Something no one else in the world had done. Mercedes caught wind of this and took legal action. To get around the legal issues a 55 AMG owner sold the car to him for $20k. He then cracked the ECU, tuned it, and sold the AMG back to the customer for $40k. Lol
Currently, there is nothing out for the 'new' K series (2012+ Si). If I'm not mistaken, I'd imagine their claim that 'no one else has done this' would apply to the new K series. If so, then I do believe that they could crack the J series as well. Considering his FB response, I'd say there is something coming.
Swoosh, keep us updated on the message you sent them.
04-20-2012, 01:35 PM
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I have no idea at this point. If all K series have been OBDII then I don't know what he was talking about when he said they figured something out for Ks that no one else had... Then he said what they have will kick Hondata Kpros ass...
As far as the J I think they really did the impossible and completely reverse engineered it. That is what I was told.
He then went on to tell me a story of the guy who is doing all this. I'm not sure if he owns Neptune or what but he said that this particular individual cracked the Mercedes SLK 55 AMG ecu. Something no one else in the world had done. Mercedes caught wind of this and took legal action. To get around the legal issues a 55 AMG owner sold the car to him for $20k. He then cracked the ECU, tuned it, and sold the AMG back to the customer for $40k. Lol
As far as the J I think they really did the impossible and completely reverse engineered it. That is what I was told.
He then went on to tell me a story of the guy who is doing all this. I'm not sure if he owns Neptune or what but he said that this particular individual cracked the Mercedes SLK 55 AMG ecu. Something no one else in the world had done. Mercedes caught wind of this and took legal action. To get around the legal issues a 55 AMG owner sold the car to him for $20k. He then cracked the ECU, tuned it, and sold the AMG back to the customer for $40k. Lol
04-20-2012, 01:35 PM
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Damn lol. $20k more.
Currently, there is nothing out for the 'new' K series (2012+ Si). If I'm not mistaken, I'd imagine their claim that 'no one else has done this' would apply to the new K series. If so, then I do believe that they could crack the J series as well. Considering his FB response, I'd say there is something coming.
Swoosh, keep us updated on the message you sent them.
Currently, there is nothing out for the 'new' K series (2012+ Si). If I'm not mistaken, I'd imagine their claim that 'no one else has done this' would apply to the new K series. If so, then I do believe that they could crack the J series as well. Considering his FB response, I'd say there is something coming.
Swoosh, keep us updated on the message you sent them.
+1 on keeping us updated. I didn't want to reach out but I'm glad someone did. However I'd say, let swoosh keep doing the contacting. We don't need 20 AZ members bugging them for info one person has probably already obtained.
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04-20-2012, 01:58 PM
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04-20-2012, 03:59 PM
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^ Money over bitches? Or the mob?
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04-20-2012, 04:44 PM
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Hey if this happens then pat me on the back for the heads up.
Beyond that I was just wanting to be part of this community and to let people know what I do.
Beyond that I was just wanting to be part of this community and to let people know what I do.
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^^^ if you are looking at it from a price stand point you can get the AEM FIC which does pretty much the same thing (assuming this "new" unit does not/cannot advance timing).....and the AEM FIC is around the 600-700 price range as well 
you might wanna see the capabilities and what each unit has to offer and what fits your needs + budget and then pick one....
you might wanna see the capabilities and what each unit has to offer and what fits your needs + budget and then pick one....
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exactly my point....you need to see what fits your needs
