Extreme Teaser: Another real tuning option? :D
04-17-2012, 01:51 PM
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^I know. I remember how that thread went. 
I mean new products are released all the time. I just think most, myself included, are skeptical because all this time has passed and we have(had) nothing.
I was also told that this breakthrough also opened up something for the K series that they couldn't before and that supposedly it will "give Kpro a run for their money". Are the new Ks not tunable? Obviously the old Ks are very tunable. Has there been both OBD1 Ks and OBD2 Ks?
I mean new products are released all the time. I just think most, myself included, are skeptical because all this time has passed and we have(had) nothing.
I was also told that this breakthrough also opened up something for the K series that they couldn't before and that supposedly it will "give Kpro a run for their money". Are the new Ks not tunable? Obviously the old Ks are very tunable. Has there been both OBD1 Ks and OBD2 Ks?
When will you be able to announce who 'they' are? This would be amazing btw...
04-17-2012, 02:02 PM
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And with a big release like that from a bigger company it will probably be in magazines. Lol
04-17-2012, 03:48 PM
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He told me all Honda v6s to date. So if you're engine has a Honda stamp and has 6 cylinders, this *should* work.
Not entirely sure about that though as different cars may have the same engines but the ecu does totally different other things.
Wish I knew more.
Not entirely sure about that though as different cars may have the same engines but the ecu does totally different other things.
Wish I knew more.
04-17-2012, 03:56 PM
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I'm not understanding why said company is resorting to secrecy for this product. I'd have to think they have some doubts if they haven't mentioned anything to the public yet. But I'm not gonna pry. Instead, I will try to wait patiently. Otherwise, my Paypal account is ready.
04-17-2012, 03:58 PM
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i know what company it is!
04-17-2012, 04:00 PM
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Actually after thinking about what I just said I may have been saying this all wrong
Basically I believe they have figured out the newer Honda ecu code or whatever. Decrypted it. So not just our ecu but all.
And what do you mean not keep it secret? Seems like the wise thing to do IMHO.
Basically I believe they have figured out the newer Honda ecu code or whatever. Decrypted it. So not just our ecu but all.
And what do you mean not keep it secret? Seems like the wise thing to do IMHO.
04-17-2012, 04:02 PM
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04-17-2012, 04:12 PM
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Actually after thinking about what I just said I may have been saying this all wrong
Basically I believe they have figured out the newer Honda ecu code or whatever. Decrypted it. So not just our ecu but all.
And what do you mean not keep it secret? Seems like the wise thing to do IMHO.
Basically I believe they have figured out the newer Honda ecu code or whatever. Decrypted it. So not just our ecu but all.
And what do you mean not keep it secret? Seems like the wise thing to do IMHO.
Damnit Sharky!
04-17-2012, 05:26 PM
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clinging to the hope that this turns out the way the turbo thread did.
I will say I don't buy into the logic that just because the 3g has been out since 2004 and we have no Hondata, Flashpro, etc. etc. because of a self-learning ECU, or difficult decryption process, that no one is going to bring anything to market as a result of that. In my mind, that gives me all the more reason to understand why it would take so long in the first place - figuring out the code and overcoming those limitations.
Couple that with the fact that the 3g market is a lot smaller than other cars with many more performance options, means fewer companies on the ball, and perhaps even fewer resources going into the R&D with the companies that DO want to get involved - this equates to a longer time to bring to market.
I will say I don't buy into the logic that just because the 3g has been out since 2004 and we have no Hondata, Flashpro, etc. etc. because of a self-learning ECU, or difficult decryption process, that no one is going to bring anything to market as a result of that. In my mind, that gives me all the more reason to understand why it would take so long in the first place - figuring out the code and overcoming those limitations.
Couple that with the fact that the 3g market is a lot smaller than other cars with many more performance options, means fewer companies on the ball, and perhaps even fewer resources going into the R&D with the companies that DO want to get involved - this equates to a longer time to bring to market.
04-17-2012, 05:52 PM
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i think i know who it is, only because my good friend(tuner) was talking to someone about something new for k-series owners(Not Hondata). Now unless someone else is also working on something secretly, then i know who it is also. But im not saying anything because i dont know for sure.
04-17-2012, 10:03 PM
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04-17-2012, 10:34 PM
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If this comes to fruition at the stated price point, the market will explode for this platform. And it should be reasonable to get it tuned as well. If I can buy this, get it tuned and get a new J Pipe for $1500-1600, I'll be happier than a pig in shit.
04-18-2012, 07:52 AM
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I just meant keeping it hush and only tell good friends, which is how you found out. I would think notice of such a product would accumulate more 'ready' buyers. It'd also deter some from buying other similar products. However, I could also see why they'd want to keep it unknown. I just hope it's for real!
Damnit Sharky!
Damnit Sharky!
I know because a good friend of mine is a licensed tuner/distributor/friend of the lead designer/owner or whatever.
clinging to the hope that this turns out the way the turbo thread did.
I will say I don't buy into the logic that just because the 3g has been out since 2004 and we have no Hondata, Flashpro, etc. etc. because of a self-learning ECU, or difficult decryption process, that no one is going to bring anything to market as a result of that. In my mind, that gives me all the more reason to understand why it would take so long in the first place - figuring out the code and overcoming those limitations.
Couple that with the fact that the 3g market is a lot smaller than other cars with many more performance options, means fewer companies on the ball, and perhaps even fewer resources going into the R&D with the companies that DO want to get involved - this equates to a longer time to bring to market.
I will say I don't buy into the logic that just because the 3g has been out since 2004 and we have no Hondata, Flashpro, etc. etc. because of a self-learning ECU, or difficult decryption process, that no one is going to bring anything to market as a result of that. In my mind, that gives me all the more reason to understand why it would take so long in the first place - figuring out the code and overcoming those limitations.
Couple that with the fact that the 3g market is a lot smaller than other cars with many more performance options, means fewer companies on the ball, and perhaps even fewer resources going into the R&D with the companies that DO want to get involved - this equates to a longer time to bring to market.
I mean come on it pisses me off. All these 18 year olds are getting type-s for $6k less then what I bought my base for.
I assume USB...
04-18-2012, 08:06 AM
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so its J-PRO
about the flashing, as its mentioned the ECU will rewrite itself for optimal driving/mpg/etc....but am not doubting you.....
also explain me this: i pay $750 (say) for an ECU flash....now that i got bigger injectors/intake/jpipe/PCD's.....what happens to my flash ??? will they give me a new map ? will the flash work its magic an "adjust" to the new mods ? will i have to get a reflash and pay another $750 ???
about the flashing, as its mentioned the ECU will rewrite itself for optimal driving/mpg/etc....but am not doubting you.....
also explain me this: i pay $750 (say) for an ECU flash....now that i got bigger injectors/intake/jpipe/PCD's.....what happens to my flash ??? will they give me a new map ? will the flash work its magic an "adjust" to the new mods ? will i have to get a reflash and pay another $750 ???
04-18-2012, 05:32 PM
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so its J-PRO
about the flashing, as its mentioned the ECU will rewrite itself for optimal driving/mpg/etc....but am not doubting you.....
also explain me this: i pay $750 (say) for an ECU flash....now that i got bigger injectors/intake/jpipe/PCD's.....what happens to my flash ??? will they give me a new map ? will the flash work its magic an "adjust" to the new mods ? will i have to get a reflash and pay another $750 ???
about the flashing, as its mentioned the ECU will rewrite itself for optimal driving/mpg/etc....but am not doubting you.....
also explain me this: i pay $750 (say) for an ECU flash....now that i got bigger injectors/intake/jpipe/PCD's.....what happens to my flash ??? will they give me a new map ? will the flash work its magic an "adjust" to the new mods ? will i have to get a reflash and pay another $750 ???
Haven't you guys ever flashed a P series ecu? Flash it once, tune it as many times as you want. Hell make different tunes for different purposes.
As far as the learning ECU I have no idea. That's why I argued and argued in disbelief. But he was very confident and that's probably what the "breakthrough" is.
But let's say if they now KNOW what every little piece of binary code in the ECU means then I would assume their options are fairly endless as far as tuning goes.
Don't listen to me though as I know very little about tuning and even less about this product. I just know it's coming.
04-18-2012, 05:47 PM
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I wouldn't be suprised if they finally cracked it. The OEM ecu does say rewritable on it if you looking it up on the honda/acura part list, but only honda had the code to reflash it with stock parameter.
04-18-2012, 06:08 PM
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I'm assuming, and this is a BIG assumption so if I'm way off forgive me I mean no disrespect, that JnR decided it was best to go the "long" way around. Intercept the engines signals and send their own, all the while letting the stock ECU handle everything else. I'm sure it's a zillion times more complicated then that but that's what I make of it.
This won't be anything like that.
This won't be anything like that.
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It's like Hondata as far as I know. Basically a small module you purchase, along with the software license, and away you go. Although looking at their current offerings the prices are much cheaper then $750. I do believe autotuning is a feature. As far as redoing it though, no, it won't need reflashed, it will just need retuned. Which I believe is via a USB port.
eager to see how this progresses....none the less a great thread and venture maharajamd !!!
04-18-2012, 07:02 PM
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^It's a feature. One that can be turned on or off.
04-18-2012, 07:08 PM
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^ You may know more about this than you think 
04-18-2012, 07:12 PM
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thats what worries me.....if the ECU autotunes, you will loose all your flash data + map....remember this is not a piggy back system.....if the ECU rewrites the map, your changes are lost....
eager to see how this progresses....none the less a great thread and venture maharajamd !!!
eager to see how this progresses....none the less a great thread and venture maharajamd !!!
When I talked to him he reminded me about tuning my jdm h22 back in the day. He said there was a point in time when he knew he was looking at the maps in the binary code. They had that kind of access and knowledge of those ECUs. Looking and ones and zeroes and could tell what was what. Maybe they finally have the rosetta stone to translate our ones and zeroes.
04-18-2012, 07:15 PM
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04-18-2012, 07:26 PM
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04-18-2012, 08:35 PM
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Subscribed. I hope this is true. I have a aem fic just sitting because I don't know what to do as far as tuning.
04-18-2012, 08:42 PM
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Even I'd be interested in this...might open a pandora's box for other mods for me...but VERY doable. Especially if it allows you to access the software via OBDII port and is sub $750. NICE.
Please do keep us posted ASAP!
Please do keep us posted ASAP!
