coykiam

Did a search but all I found was a comparison of different oil filter brand and a bunch of oil comparisons.

My question is, what benefits will you actually get from using a SYNTHETIC OIL FILTER vs The Regular Oil Filter? Although $12 is not that much for this type of car, But I mean is it worth to pay $12 for the Mobile 1 Synthetic Oil Filter vs Frams $4 Oil Filter?

Does Synthetic oil filter flow and filter much better than regular oil filter?

Thanks in advance guys

LoveMyTL-S

I go with Mobile 1 oil so I also toss in the filter (usally on sale). But I think the Mobile 1 filter does a better job than Fram. BTW, there is no Synthetic filters. It's the oil that's Synthetic.

coykiam

whoops sorry...my mistake. I think I meant Extended Performance Oil Filter when I was typing it. Can you change the title? Thanks

needfd

for oil filters you want something decent but you don't have to spend the extra money for some fancy name, typically your oil change interval is 5-7k so as long as you do it during the recommended intervals you should be fine. Just make sure the filter you're using meets the OEM specs.

I hate cars

Mobil One filters just like most of their oils do not run a synthetic media but charge a synthetic price. Last time I checked it was a traditional cellulose media. Synthetic media offers better filtration along with better flow. With cellulose you get one or the other. If you want a true synthetic media, Royal Purple, Amsoil EAO, Donaldson, and one or two AC Deco filters have it. The only ones I'm aware of that fit the TL are the RP and EAO.

drivinginmy04tl

Yes I have heard great things about the Royal Purple filters and will be trying them next oil change. Since I switched to Mobil one ep filters from the factory honda ones I have noticed the oil staying lighter in color longer. I check my oil every 500 miles.(OCD)

WRXtranceformed

FWIW I use Purolator PureOne filters. They are supposed to be pretty solid and they generally go on sale every now and then. I bought like 10 of them from AAP with a coupon I had recently so I'm set for a while! ha ha

nfnsquared

+1 on the PureOne filters. Did a UOA on my last oil change with an interval of 8150 miles. Silicon was below average while living on a dirt road (and running a crappy K&N air filter).

DMZ

I use the WIX / NAPA Gold 1334 filter. From my experience, it keeps the oil cleaner longer than Mobil1, K&N, and all the other overpriced filters out there. No need to spend $13-ish on an oil filter.
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nfnsquared

Not sure how much you think the PureOne filters cost, but I only paid $5 for the PureOne ($30 for 6, free shipping, no tax, Amazon).

How did you make the determination that the WIX filters better than the M1 or K&N?

Flipster23

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I use pureone and mobil 1....pureone filter was like 5.34 @ Pep boys...

DMZ

Read the 2nd sentence of my previous post one more time. That was AFTER trying them all.

nfnsquared

Yeah, I'm asking what this "experience" you're referring to is. Is it UOA comparisons or the DMZ eyeball analysis or what? Just asking.

Hi speed

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I'm pretty sure Ams oil stoped making our stock sized filter and I don't think I can use the fatter S2000 filter because of the oil relocation sandwich piece. RP filters have been hard to find where are you guys getting them?

I hate cars

As far as I know, sold only at PepBoys. That could have changed but that was the agreement in the beginning for a year.

The S2000 filter uses the same size O-ring and mounting diameter. The can is the only larger part. If it was the actual mating surfaces you are worried about, that's fine. I know there might be other issues associated with the larger filter on the sandwich adapter. Also, the length is about 3/8" shorter.

If you can't find any, I can ship you a couple. I got them on sale so you would probably break even with the shipping costs.

dj5

Interesting...could you point me to some data that supports this. If this is true, I may switch filters.

Hi speed

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Thanks, I will have to check out pep boys. If not maybe I can pay pal you some $$$ and you can get me a few. I bought 8 Ams oil filters a few years ago but just installed my last one. I have not tried the s2k filter yet but it seemed fatter and there is not much clearance as it sits.

Hi speed

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Matting surface wise it should be ok, I am more concerned the larger can might make contact with the suspension.

nfnsquared

You might want to read this thread:

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/important-info-all-tl-owners-my-story-inside-572173/

I hate cars

That's a tough call since yours already sits lower due to the adapter. This filter is slightly shorter than stock. On my car I had a couple friends bounce it while I watched before I drove it for the first time. Even with pretty good bouncing the filter was not close to the control arm. Obviously the further inwards, the arm is not going to move nearly as much as the tire. Since then I've driven over 70,000 miles with a larger filter and hit the bumpstops several times. It's physically impossible to hit the S2000 filter (without the adapter) without bending/breaking the suspension. Comparing it closely to the stock filter the arm does not come any closer to it than stock. It's larger diameter but since the filter sits at an angle, the reduced length basically breaks even.

Probably the best thing to try is find the cheapest filter in that size and screw it on and compare to stock. If it wasn't for the adapter I would say 100% for sure that you would be fine no matter what you hit. The one exception to this would be a set of coilovers that extend suspension travel.

I hate cars

For what it's worth, I've seen tests on the old Bob is the oil guy, before it was overrun with internet "experts" where the Amsoil EAO filters were tested. The oil was analyzed before it went into the engine and after it came out. The results were amazing, kind of hard to believe but the data was there to back it up and this was an engineer that did this type of work for a living. Basically it came out cleaner than it went in using one of these filters. I used to have the link saved on my old computer. I believe the user's name was "GeorgeCLS" but it's been a bunch of years. Royal Purple's filters have a slightly better Beta Ratio so they should have a very slight edge.

nfnsquared

x2.....

coykiam

thanks for the input guys, guess I can get away with a cheaper filter and save a few $$$

LoveMyTL-S

Done

DMZ

Eyeball analysis, YES ... by pulling the dipstick at various mileage intervals shows it takes longer for the oil to turn dark brown with the WIX/NAPA Gold filter than when I tried the Mobil1 or the K&N. I therefore still can't see spending $13-$14 for an oil filter. Doesn't make sense to me.

BTW, I also use the NAPA Gold air filter, which is also the WIX with their name on it. You can see and feel the quality difference compared to most of the other aftermarket filters. Much more like the OEM.
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I hate cars

Synthetic filters are usually a better choice for extended intervals even though Amsoil seemed to screw it up on the EAO13. They are proven to have the best combo of both flow and filtration. Maybe its not worth it to most people but there is a difference.

When you noticed the oil staying "clean" longer, did you switch brands of oil? There are many variables. When I switched to Redline the oil got very dark in 1000 miles and that was with the usual RP filter. Its known to clean well and by the third run on it, it was staying pretty light for the whole interval.

Some additives will make the oil darken just from heat cycling. I believe ZDDP is one of them. In my experience they seem to darken quickly and then level off for the rest of the interval.

TheChamp531

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Mobil 1's EP oil filter is similar to the filtration of the RP, Amsoil, and other "true" synthetic medias.

I'll try to find the comparison chart of the filters I have laying around here I got from an auto-show.

I hate cars

That would be nice. I haven't actually looked at those filters in about a year.

sodaks2k

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subscribed for later reading

HOCKEYMAN23

I installed a RP filter on my last change (oil @ 80% currently according to MID) simply because my car is getting toward 70k on the clock. It was a high/extended performance filter I think. $14 at PepBoys if anyone is looking...

SSM4DR

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Here's a good video showing you what you're paying for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSKj-...eature=related

I hate cars

Lol. It was funny, not exactly technical. The things to look out for are the cardboard end caps which there were a few. Silicone vs rubber anti drain back valves, those were the orange things and the Mobil One looked like the inferior rubber valve. Bypass valve which was the spring and wing things at the bottom of the filters. And the media. The synthetic media is very white. Not even the Mobil or K&N were synthetic. Google Royal Purple filters if you want to see a nice filter.

greco9885

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didnt innacurate open a bunch of different oil filters?

i hope he chimes in because it was interesting

RBeachTL

I thought this as well but I just checked their web site and they seem to have the EaO13 back on sale but with a different part number, EA15K13. The 15K designation is to indicate that this filter is for 15K miles as opposed to the 25K miles that the EaOs are designed for.

I for one am happy about the filters being available again if this is true.

I hate cars

I thought I posted this video the last time but I guess I forgot. Here's a RP cut away and it debunks some of the myths.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=floUZGP6NZM


Amsoil EAO20 filter is perfectly fine to use if you don't like the 13. I used it for many miles.