Lee: Answer my question...is there an 02 simulator for the 3rd gen TL? You still won't pass visual inspection and you will fail your emissions test because of that. Its ok to be wrong once in a while. If you didnt act like a 'know it all' constantly people will probably start being nice to you.

 

If you read what I wrote you would notice that I said:

No he was not wrong. You will throw a CEL if you run a test pipe. An 02 simulator fools the system into thinking the AFR is leaner than it is by locating the oxygen sensor further away from the exhaust stream.

So yes just running a test pipe will cause you to throw a CEL b/c the pre cat oxygen sensor and the post cat oxygen sensor will see the same emissions and AF ratio. Therefore you willl throw a cat for "Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold". However if you run a oxygen sensor simulator, which was designed mostly for those guys that run race headers (eliminate cats), you will probably not throw a CEL since the oxygen sensor will be located further away from the exhaust stream.

And in reference to the test pipes I wrote:

And you won't necessarily get the same power. Some back pressure is needed, especially on N/A vehicles. If you are too free flowing you will lose power.

So test pipes can be run in certain instances and will increase flow but most of the test pipes you see around are not engineered properly and are just straight pipes with some flanges.

 

not to sound stupid but what is a CEL?

 

Check Engine Light...the dreaded thing!

 

Check Engine Light

 

If I buy one of these Pro Cats, how much should I expect to pay for the installation?

 

3-4 hours at whatever labor rate the shop charges.

 

Perfect. I am talking about running the O2 sim. You seem to agree with exactly what I am saying in all counts. Yes you will throw a cel without the O2 sim.

So yes he is wrong....
-Lee

 

Why dont you answer my question instead. I'm really curious as to why you came up with your BS answer. I'm talking about the 2004+ TL, not an S2000, not a Subaru, not any other car where there is an O2 simulator avaliable.

 

Because I think "winning" a perceived argument is more important to him than really taking any knowledge he has and helping anybody out? Just a guess....

 

Hey Fellas

I got an 06 TL about a month and a half ago, and quite frankly I'm alittle dissapointed in the speed/quickness of the car. What is a good performance upgrade path to follow for a newbie performance head?
I don't want to go too nuts (S/C @$4.5k) just enough grunt to show the average TL who's the boss. CAI first? Then....
I see Againstallodds1 - you are from S. Jersey...who does your installs?
thanks for any info, men.

 

I get a guy Ryan to do my installs, here he is, if you have any questions shoot him a pm. https://acurazine.com/forums/members/ryan97812-125735/
He does really good and clean work, he is fast too. Where in NJ are you from?

 

Thanks man! I'm in Mullica Hill - right near Glassboro - Rowan Univ. I'm just leary about warranty issues. I don't have the kind of cash lying around to make 'non-warranty' repairs, if you know what i mean. But I'm dying to get the car to jump when i want it to.

Where is Ryan located? Do you give him the parts you want installed, or does he get them then install them?

Sorry for the Hi-jack BTW.

 

I am always out in your area, Actually tonight im going to the track at Atco to see my boy run his 03 cobra. He is shooting for 11.3. I might make a pass down the track. Ill take you for a ride if you want.
Ryan is in Brick town, about an hour from you.
As far as your warranty, they cant void it unless you get hydrolock, and doing that is even hard, you would have to drive through a 1 foot puddle. Other than that they have to prove that what you added caused the problem. I have a supercharger on my car and my rear main seal is blown, I took it to Acura and they said they will cover it, I just have to take the supercharger off. Understandable, they dont want to be responsible for it if they break it. They also dont have access to the gaskets that they think they will have to replace. So when I get the chance Ill pull the blower off in there parking lot and push it in to the bay.

 

Is it my job to look up part numbers for you?

Go find a product if you want to do it.

-Lee

 

I dont want a product number. You said I was wrong, I want to know why.

 

ok, for the hydrolocking your car... how does that have anything to do with procats?

dont procats put more stress on the rest of your car like excelerate said. so wouldnt acura (in general) be more hesitant to provide warranty work on your car?

 

All I have presented is information in this thread.....You have not disagreed with the information. If you do, say so.

Don't argue feelings....that is for some other place on the internet.

-Lee

 

Your "information" is not applicable to the TL so it does little good. And you are still wrong about all of your emissions stuff in reference to the question asked by the poster.

 

Hydrolocking has to do with your aftermarket intake sucking up water and shooting it onto the engine. It has nothing to do with pro-cats.

Procats will puting less stress on the car? Depends what you angle you are talking about. It generates more HP, so yes I guess it is harder on the car. Since Mechanical Engineers typically engineer 20% over tolerance.....you will probably be fine. Supercharged guys typically reinforce the weaker parts they know will fail to get around this.

-Lee

 

 

I think you're misinterpreting what I said. The pro cats will flow more exhaust. Increased flow of air, intake or exhaust, will provide hp gains. There will be more flow and more hp so in the end there will be more hp that has to be transferred, but nothing that the car isn't capable of handling. We're not talking about doubling your hp and when I referred to more pressure, I meant more on the tranny, but nothing that the tranny can't handle. Even on the 2nd gen CL/TL trannies they weren't failing b/c of mods they were failing b/c of an internal design flaw.

The dealer cannot void your warranty based on a modification unless it can prove that the modification caused the problem. See the Magnusson Moss Act:

The Magnusson-Moss Warranty - Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975 protects consumers from such fradulent activity by new car dealers. Under this Act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer's orginial warranty, unless the warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle's warrany or if it can be proven that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure. The easiest way to check this is to look in your owner's manual under, "what is not covered". Under Magnusson-Moss Act a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before they can deny warranty coverage. If they cannot prove such claim-or offer an explanation- it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission (202.326.3128) administers the Magnusson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law.

 

Lee...

Honestly dude....I wouldnt disagree with you even if I did feel you were full of shit. Not worth the time. As for arguing feelings....like ok...:ghey: what feeling exactly would you be referring to? The feeling that you may have some good knowledge at times that are a little misplaced or the fact you are a bit over-sensitive to someone asking you to prove what you say or actually helping somebody around here. Do you even have a set of E-Shift Pro Cats that would qualify you to comment on if they are of good value or not? Do you even have a 3G TL? I mean...I read in your responses mentions about S2000, ect. - which is a kick ass car no doubt.....but MANY of the things you can do with an S2000 you simply cannot do in the 3G TL.

Answer to my questions...no...you havent seen or had experience with this product whatsoever.....now who is arguing feelings here Lee...I mean...you have no experience with this product in particular on this application...so "sharing your experience" you mention above/below basically equates to none-notta-zilch with this particular product? Ok...cant say you were dishonest about it...as you did state that below....but is this not just sitting around stating your feelings Lee and then arguing with ANYBODY who may possibly challenge your view. I mean...we all can appreciate an intelligent debate...but baseless statements that may or may not be even applicable to the 3G TL is just plain ignorant. I mean how did Subinf challenge your knowlege by asking you a question...
Then...ok....so I agree with you totally and state I think I should pull that crap off my car now...for which you reply...
I just seems as if you want to argue nonstop Lee...and thats all. And in what way do you differentiate "feelings" and "experience" ... because it appears that is all you appear to be doing is arguing your feelings Lee...because you admittantly state you have no real experience with these E-Shift Pro Cats above....so you come in and start talking theory with no backup whatsoever other than tossing the term "engineered" around and nonapplicable model vehicles...I mean...WTF? I would expect someone tossing smack around like that and with the knowledge you profess to be a little more concrete/constructive in nature and less theoretical. I mean shit Lee...I can give you props...you in turn.........I can tell you I disagree with you and you in turn - after a while Lee....I think everybody just sees you as one big .

I have seen SUBINF outright ASK you for help and information and you give him this?
Yes Lee...it IS your job to go out and find a part # for him after making a claim like this....especially given the claims you have made and the fact he has reached out for help and knowledge...or is actually helping someone outside your realm here? Which kind of begs the question again....what is your real reason for being here...to solely argue your point or to actually add to the forum and help people. What you might not know is Subinf has MUCHO experience in the exhaust arena and knows what he is talking about and has a real interest in this type of thing and developments...you respond by basically telling him to find it himself....

Why? Give the guy and hand already.....make yourself useful!!!

Go ahead and me back Lee....I totally expect it (have my "cup" on for protection from expected blunt force blows)...but dude....stop the one of these days and actually help us out with some real world facts we can take and apply somewhere.

I mean...you can take the time to answer this noob off-topic question about hydrolock....but you cant take the time to help Subinf too? Is it because the noob is not likely to be able to prove you wrong or does Subinf intimidate you that badly?

 

Mr Benz and Subinf,

If you want to argue please PM me. We can argue all you want.

Not sure the value it ads here.
-Lee

 

Since when does shooting water ONTO the engine cause hydrolocking. The water has to be sucked up INTO the engine. Again, one simple word, wheter it be misspelling or incorrect word, can cause alot of problems for others reading the post. Please be more careful with your wording.

And there is no way someone would pass emissions with a O2 sim and no cats.

And I think the point he is trying to get across is that there is NO O2 sim available for the TL. Not that your information is wrong.

 

That is funny....not sure it adds value here....lol! Shall all the members do a search and check your post history and just what you have actually added to the community and just how much of those posts you spend arguing with somebody or cramming something down somebodies neck?

What does advising people about a product you dont even own nor have even seen add Lee? Value? My esteemed colleage....I think we all know the one arguing on strictly theory here....and it would be the one now avoiding answering bonafide direct questions that are posed to you and wanting to go PM. I think that answers about all my questions dude!

 

Ahh, great approach. You were called out and proved wrong and cant admit it. You are fine with attacking other ideas and projects that members have come up with, but when actually challenged on your "knowledge" you shy away and hide behind PM's. Sorry, not gonna happen.

Also, you havent "argued" with me at all. You stated that I was wrong about something and have ignored me since. I was curious where you figured it was ok saying I was wrong about the California emissions test and about the O2 simulator. You havent responded to either of those inquiries even though have asked you to explain yourself several times.

The value...I seriously doubt any of our members give any weight to your replies anymore, but for those who are new to this forum they should ignore pretty much everything you have posted. Your question about the RL brakes was good because I'm sure others were wondering the same thing, but as to your actual automotive knowledge, it should be avoided.

 

Here we follow ASU_Lee's entry and help into this thread...some guy comes and asks...
Lee comes in and answers...
To which later he admits....
And later goes even farther and states...
Which more or less says....I dont know what the heck I am talking about specifically with this part....just spouting off my knowledge base in general....to which somebody asks...
To which you start rambling about a car that is NOT the TL and seem to be avoiding the direct question asked to you by Subinf by just stating (it has to be the right one)...and go into statements of "engineered product" and "applied math" ect. - but in another thread...you dont seem to know the difference in an NSX engine and a TL engine? WTF?
SO....then Subinf asks yet again...
To which you answer....to somebody else yet....and as if you won an argument or something...which appears all you are concerned with here...but at the same time NOT answering the question...

And which he asks yet again...
And then suddenly out of the BLUE after having flamed pretty much ANYBODY that questioned you or asked you anything whatsoever....
But Lee....you stated earlier that this was just what you were gonna do? What gives buddy? NOW you are short on knowledge? Come on man! Maybe you found out that Subinf has an expanded knowledge of exhaust systems and you were about to get your ass handed to you in a hat? Could this be it...cause then suddenly for some odd reason, Lee...you DONT want to talk in public and want it to go this way....
OK...ya...all you have presented is information. BUT APPLICABLE INFORMATION? AND DID IT HELP ANYBODY WHATSOEVER OR WAS IT JUST FOR ARGUMENT SAKE? And now why do you seem to want to go...
:POFL: Adds value....dude...you show me one fucking thing you have said above in this thread that adds one iota of value....it is obvious that you know something....just what...is yet to be determined....for those wondering....just check this thread where he was checking his knowledge for a fight in another thread where he was completely off base again....
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...4&page=2&pp=25
https://acurazine.com/forums/technology-16/nextel-139583/

First post...5:01...then two hours later is asking....TL and NSX geometry. Come on dude....what DO you know and what do you think you know? It kind of begs the question after a while dude. I am sure you know something....and probably know it well...shit...you even dupe the dude who gave you credit for being an engineer or something...which to the educated...would again...beg the question as engineers dont make simple mistakes and slight of tongues as you seem to....nor do they overstate their knowledge on topics nor argue topics they are not all that familiar with to begin with? Example....statement of the NSX cams...the two hours later...asking about geometry of such cams you already stated about earlier. (can we assume you were questioning your own knowledge there?) Acting like you do makes people want to NOT believe you Lee.....if you have something applicable to add to a conversation...by all means do so...but to just talk out of the side of your neck seems to beg the question of your motives....are you trying to help people or just argue and debate with them? Personally...I think the latter....but thats my perogative I guess....as it is yours to spout statements about products you have never seen or worked with and then offer up advice as if it is qualified?

There is something about qualifications Lee...IT IS THE READER/AUDIENCE THAT APPLIES THIS CREDIBILITY TO YOU....not just because you say something is credibility applied to it....it doesnt work that way. I am not sure anybody believes you anymore Lee....and it is not US that made this happen....it was a direct result of your own actions and statements and the way you handled things.

 

Once again.. .. I LOVE IT.. need not say anymore..

 

Mr Benz,

You are like a angry woman during PMS. Have a motrin and cool off.

-Lee

 

Thanks....lol! For what its worth...you probably could have left well enough alone....but thats ok...I know how easy it is to stand off and let somebody else do the "e-tard" work and say nothing....all the while fanning the flames like you enjoy doing. BTW....still would like to see a repeat and maybe even a threepeat of that HP rating....seems a little high to me?

 

Interesting thats all you have to answer with...lol! Dude....you are completely and udderly full of crap. Still dodging the facts man....lol! You asked me to tell you what I disagree with...I tell ya...and then as ususal...Lee ducks...cause he truely has NO answers. I am not real worked up here Lee....thats whats so funny! But I see you STILL have no answers for the questions posed to you. Well there dickryder.....I am officially putting you on ignore! Later! Later the better! Cause you make no sense nor even answer what is posed to you but avoid it like the plague. And you call me the bitch! lol!

 

again.....
-Lee

 

Again...answer the questions posed to you....I dont think that is arguing Lee...but would merely be pointing out what a lack of knowledge you have had on the subjects you have been answering.....

Lee...you truely can run and avoid the questions and keep saying lets take it to PM...well dude....after you have flamed everybody...you think anybody wants to give you the benefit of the doubt of PM'ing you and NOT bringing it out publicly in the board? I mean, fine time to think about PM's there Lee....you are as transparent as glass Lee.

IGNORE ON!

-Mike

 

Still wont answer huh

 

Enough of this! I say E-cats at twenty paces!

 

aight guys enough....

please

 

E -cat
twenty paces is what I say ! Damninit, fargin Iceholes!

 

OK. Now you've attracted my attention with all the noise over here!

I'm this close to locking this thread.

Keep to the topic. Stick to principles and not personalities.

If you feel you need to make personal comments, take it to PM.

You guys are not noobs. You KNOW this.

Thanks.
Dave

 

I only used hydrolocking as an example because he clearly asked about a CAI and warranty issues. It has nothing to do with the procats. Sorry about going off topic with the thread.