Engine air filter discussion
#41
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My temper is doing just fine, don't worry about me, worry about your misinformation.
I guess I'm going to have to pull this out of you little by little since it's impossible for you to say what car this is. Is this your "9 second" rotary, is this a daily driver street car, and do you expect me to believe that ANY turbo rotary even bone stock made it to 170,000 miles on the original engine? You're purposely leaving out details.
I guess I'm going to have to pull this out of you little by little since it's impossible for you to say what car this is. Is this your "9 second" rotary, is this a daily driver street car, and do you expect me to believe that ANY turbo rotary even bone stock made it to 170,000 miles on the original engine? You're purposely leaving out details.
Guess that about sums it up.
I'm certainly done with this thread, time for breakfast.
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It escapes me why you cant have a normal discussion about air filters without your fucking ego's getting in the way......
Keep in mind when you argue in threads like this you ruin it for people who come in here to actually try to get some info on air filters....but instead they see adults that argue like highschool kids.
Keep in mind when you argue in threads like this you ruin it for people who come in here to actually try to get some info on air filters....but instead they see adults that argue like highschool kids.
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I'm surprised this pic/website has not come up yet. This is a picture of a independent unbiased test of filter effectiveness.
Taken From http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
Taken From http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
#44
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I've seen that one before. Only thing to note is that's one of the old Amsoil gauze filters, not the much better filtering EAO filter.
Take a look at one of the links I posted a few posts above, it's got some pretty good tests with dirt measured in grams instead of just pictures.
Take a look at one of the links I posted a few posts above, it's got some pretty good tests with dirt measured in grams instead of just pictures.
#45
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I'm surprised this pic/website has not come up yet. This is a picture of a independent unbiased test of filter effectiveness.
Taken From http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
Taken From http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
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I have seen that test some time ago and tho a good visual test its far from scientific and flawed. Not flawed in any filters favour just flawed in the fact that its not controlled. In other words 500 miles isn't controlled , you have factors like ambient temperature which effects air density. Humidity which effects porosity of the media, wind conditions will effect the amount of dust in the air and one of the biggest is cubic feet of air that passed through the filter, it wasn't metered. No one can drive an identical 1 mile 6 times never mind 500.
True but regardless they all let particulates through.
Also I was just providing it as information to the thread.
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I was involved racing dirt cars for over 20 years and they were subject to massive amounts of dust and we didn't see anything like that after the filter. With a $8,000 engine you monitor those things.
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SouthernBoy,
I'm with you on air filters. I buy the NAPA air filter, which like their oil filters, are all WIX with their name on it. I used to use STP's from Autozone, and I could see the quality difference right away with the WIX.
I think the K&N is overrated and overpriced, just like Starbuck's coffee. My 2¢.
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I'm with you on air filters. I buy the NAPA air filter, which like their oil filters, are all WIX with their name on it. I used to use STP's from Autozone, and I could see the quality difference right away with the WIX.
I think the K&N is overrated and overpriced, just like Starbuck's coffee. My 2¢.
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SouthernBoy,
I'm with you on air filters. I buy the NAPA air filter, which like their oil filters, are all WIX with their name on it. I used to use STP's from Autozone, and I could see the quality difference right away with the WIX.
I think the K&N is overrated and overpriced, just like Starbuck's coffee. My 2¢.
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I'm with you on air filters. I buy the NAPA air filter, which like their oil filters, are all WIX with their name on it. I used to use STP's from Autozone, and I could see the quality difference right away with the WIX.
I think the K&N is overrated and overpriced, just like Starbuck's coffee. My 2¢.
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Ok so I am also wondering the same thing because ours is about ready to get changed...i guess im just confused because there are so many out there, but what is one thats not TOO expensive but still effective as far as filtration/performance, for the TL specifically? Since there are pros/cons to each one, should i just go with the OE replacement?
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Im with IHC...that and I disagree with nfnsquared on a lot of things.(haha)
K&N - over priced, over hyped, and better alternatives.
I had a K&N "oiled filter" before on a previous vehicle, i hated that damn thing. Cleaning it sucked considering you had to wait all day for it to dry and couldnt drive the vehicle until it was dry. Then there was a mess from the oil. Not to mention the cost of the cleaning kit. Eventually i went to the AEM DRY FLOW filters. Even K & N oil filters are overpriced and hyped. Too much bad info out there on K&N filters causing problems.
Good stuff Southernboy and IHC
K&N - over priced, over hyped, and better alternatives.
I had a K&N "oiled filter" before on a previous vehicle, i hated that damn thing. Cleaning it sucked considering you had to wait all day for it to dry and couldnt drive the vehicle until it was dry. Then there was a mess from the oil. Not to mention the cost of the cleaning kit. Eventually i went to the AEM DRY FLOW filters. Even K & N oil filters are overpriced and hyped. Too much bad info out there on K&N filters causing problems.
Good stuff Southernboy and IHC
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