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10-21-2009, 10:12 AM
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10-21-2009, 10:21 AM
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As for a true test, it should be taken to the track. Let us know what your times are (time slip and video). As for the dyno, and this has been said a million times, it is a great TOOL, that is it, it will let you know that you are making more power and allow you to tune the car, but it is not an accurate gauge of what the car can do.
No one is "Hatin" on you, the group here has been working with and tuning the J-series engines for awhile, so we all have a good (very good), understanding of what the engine is capable of. We also know how inaccurate a dyno can be and how much the same dyno can vary based on weather conditions. This is why the SAE is so important. This puts it on a somewhat level playing ground (apples to apples). Good luck with the project!
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10-21-2009, 10:29 AM
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10-21-2009, 10:33 AM
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first off...when u get on a dyno with ur tl...you and ur dumb ass tuner should know that you should run ur car on 4th gear...
now when you come here and make ur claims, we all assume you did this in 4th gear.... but now you say it was 3rd, and in 4th it made close to 300... you just added more of your bullshit on top of what you already brought here.
why cant you understand the fact that those are wrong numbers?
for the 5th time again..im telling you that, a dyno printout does not mean shit!
ur tuner could be the best fucking mechanic in the world...and again it means shit.
running 1000-2000 hp cars on his dyno again, means shit
we're not a bunch of idiots who know nothing about the j32 and j35... dude, you happen to be talking to some of the most knowledgeable guys here...NA AV6 being one of them...who all he does is build these motors.
so take ur bullshit, take your dyno sheet and go stick up ur tuner's ass.
10-21-2009, 10:39 AM
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I am with the group on this, knowing what I know about drive train loss and the power the car produces stock and the fact the dyno is uncorrected, it just is not a true measure of what the car is putting to the wheels. A fourth gear pull is what should be done, and it may yield more TQ on low end, but will be lower HP compared to a 3rd gear pull.
As for a true test, it should be taken to the track. Let us know what your times are (time slip and video). As for the dyno, and this has been said a million times, it is a great TOOL, that is it, it will let you know that you are making
more power and allow you to tune the car, but it is not an accurate gauge of what the car can do.
No one is "Hatin" on you, the group here has been working with and tuning the J-series engines for awhile, so we all have a good (very good), understanding of what the engine is capable of. We also know how inaccurate a dyno can be and how much the same dyno can vary based on weather conditions. This is why the SAE is so important. This puts it on a somewhat level playing ground (apples to apples). Good luck with the project!
1/4 mile!!
As for a true test, it should be taken to the track. Let us know what your times are (time slip and video). As for the dyno, and this has been said a million times, it is a great TOOL, that is it, it will let you know that you are making
more power and allow you to tune the car, but it is not an accurate gauge of what the car can do.
No one is "Hatin" on you, the group here has been working with and tuning the J-series engines for awhile, so we all have a good (very good), understanding of what the engine is capable of. We also know how inaccurate a dyno can be and how much the same dyno can vary based on weather conditions. This is why the SAE is so important. This puts it on a somewhat level playing ground (apples to apples). Good luck with the project!
1/4 mile!!
Well i put my car to the test last nite against a 2002 porsche 911 carrera 300whp with exhaust and intake and i was in front of him by 2 cars 3rd gear and walked away about 3 cars once i went to 4th ... andhis car weighs less then myne but will c when i go to the track with my nitto 555r drag radials.....
10-21-2009, 10:42 AM
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lol i just wanna throw in that the apexi neo doesnt do shit....i had the vafc2 and the neo had em tuned and after a month the car was throwing codes no ones ever heard of....its pointless....oh and i felt no "real" power increase....an intake, even tho people may wanna diagree...DOES NOT DO SHIT...wait sorry let me correct that....it makes a lot of cool noise. the pressure going into the throttle is still 14.7psi (earths atmospheric pressure)....maybe theres less restriction because all of the plastic tubing that was there from the factory but theres no real increase til a blower or turbo is added. hey at least u got 25 horse from "modding" the exhaust 
10-21-2009, 10:47 AM
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lol i just wanna throw in that the apexi neo doesnt do shit....i had the vafc2 and the neo had em tuned and after a month the car was throwing codes no ones ever heard of....its pointless....oh and i felt no "real" power increase....an intake, even tho people may wanna diagree...DOES NOT DO SHIT...wait sorry let me correct that....it makes a lot of cool noise. the pressure going into the throttle is still 14.7psi (earths atmospheric pressure)....maybe theres less restriction because all of the plastic tubing that was there from the factory but theres no real increase til a blower or turbo is added. hey at least u got 25 horse from "modding" the exhaust
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10-21-2009, 12:09 PM
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Lol. Before we go bashing this guy, he is reading the numbers given at the dyno, nothing wrong with that. All everyone is saying man, is that the dyno is not corrected. This means that your car is not putting that much power under normal conditions. And 3rd gear dynos will give you LOWER numbers than a 4th gear run. Take into account this is a Dynojet, which usually reads higher than most dynos.
Stock those motors do produce around 255whp, so 260 doesn't seem too far off. But, I highly doubt you got 27whp from I/UR pulley, and a tune (exhaust doesn't count you maybe got 1whp if that). And the 1/4 mile time? 13.8 @104? The ET I believe, with a good launch the TL-s is definitely capable of high 13s. The trap is what I'm questioning. E46 M3s trap in the 104-106 range. While I beat one on the street, that doesn't mean my car is faster. I know I won't trap 104, more like 102, it was due to driver error. Tune will give good gains, but with your mod list, shouldn't make a big difference. Regardless about the accuracy of the numbers, if you want to use that dyno, then keep going and just compare the numbers when you get more mods. The increment increase should be right, just the actual peak numbers may be a little high.
Stock those motors do produce around 255whp, so 260 doesn't seem too far off. But, I highly doubt you got 27whp from I/UR pulley, and a tune (exhaust doesn't count you maybe got 1whp if that). And the 1/4 mile time? 13.8 @104? The ET I believe, with a good launch the TL-s is definitely capable of high 13s. The trap is what I'm questioning. E46 M3s trap in the 104-106 range. While I beat one on the street, that doesn't mean my car is faster. I know I won't trap 104, more like 102, it was due to driver error. Tune will give good gains, but with your mod list, shouldn't make a big difference. Regardless about the accuracy of the numbers, if you want to use that dyno, then keep going and just compare the numbers when you get more mods. The increment increase should be right, just the actual peak numbers may be a little high.
10-21-2009, 12:10 PM
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hey u must be kidding me u have a 3.2 and ur trying to use a neo ? why dont u use the aem FIC or send some money and get the m90 blower ? WTF is wrong with u ? the only reason im using the apexi neo is because my tuner dont wanna cut into my wire harness and were wating for the aem FIC jumpo harness .... dude u have an 05 3.2 and u dont have a blow ur worthless man sell the car at once .... u have a gift comptech makes a supercharger kit for ur car that brings everything compete kit and u dont have it ... WORTHLESS
10-21-2009, 12:15 PM
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So why u in the forms performance section ? stop clicking here.... i bought it for the looks and performance i wanna have a 400whp type s that looks good .....and by friday ill have 300whp with only 3 mods thats my goal .....
10-21-2009, 12:16 PM
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Lol. Before we go bashing this guy, he is reading the numbers given at the dyno, nothing wrong with that. All everyone is saying man, is that the dyno is not corrected. This means that your car is not putting that much power under normal conditions. And 3rd gear dynos will give you LOWER numbers than a 4th gear run. Take into account this is a Dynojet, which usually reads higher than most dynos.
Stock those motors do produce around 255whp, so 260 doesn't seem too far off. But, I highly doubt you got 27whp from I/UR pulley, and a tune (exhaust doesn't count you maybe got 1whp if that). And the 1/4 mile time? 13.8 @104? The ET I believe, with a good launch the TL-s is definitely capable of high 13s. The trap is what I'm questioning. E46 M3s trap in the 104-106 range. While I beat one on the street, that doesn't mean my car is faster. I know I won't trap 104, more like 102, it was due to driver error. Tune will give good gains, but with your mod list, shouldn't make a big difference. Regardless about the accuracy of the numbers, if you want to use that dyno, then keep going and just compare the numbers when you get more mods. The increment increase should be right, just the actual peak numbers may be a little high.
Stock those motors do produce around 255whp, so 260 doesn't seem too far off. But, I highly doubt you got 27whp from I/UR pulley, and a tune (exhaust doesn't count you maybe got 1whp if that). And the 1/4 mile time? 13.8 @104? The ET I believe, with a good launch the TL-s is definitely capable of high 13s. The trap is what I'm questioning. E46 M3s trap in the 104-106 range. While I beat one on the street, that doesn't mean my car is faster. I know I won't trap 104, more like 102, it was due to driver error. Tune will give good gains, but with your mod list, shouldn't make a big difference. Regardless about the accuracy of the numbers, if you want to use that dyno, then keep going and just compare the numbers when you get more mods. The increment increase should be right, just the actual peak numbers may be a little high.
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10-21-2009, 12:19 PM
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You're obviously not getting my point. You're talking shit about him because he has a 3.2 TL without a blower. If a person doesn't have a performance MOD for their car doesn't mean they don't know shit. Sorry to burst your bubbles, you won't have a 300WHP Type-S with those 3 mods. You're too ignorant with lack of proof (no track times, live dyno's, or anything).
10-21-2009, 12:22 PM
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The 8th gen 6MT Accord put down 239whp/224wtq and puts down about 20 less crank hp than the TL-S. And that was with less than 5,000 miles, so I'd assume more like 245whp/230wtq. Also, remember that the J35 is underrated given the dyno numbers. They also make very good torque, 200+wtq as low as 2000RPM.
10-21-2009, 12:27 PM
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The 8th gen 6MT Accord put down 239whp/224wtq and puts down about 20 less crank hp than the TL-S. And that was with less than 5,000 miles, so I'd assume more like 245whp/230wtq. Also, remember that the J35 is underrated given the dyno numbers. They also make very good torque, 200+wtq as low as 2000RPM.
10-21-2009, 12:30 PM
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http://www.vtec.net/articles/article...ls6mt_dyno.gif
That is the dyno comparing the 6MT TL-S to the Accord 6MT, granted on a Dynojet as well. Why is it so hard to believe? The motors must be underrated if that is what they are putting out. The 7th gen 6MT dynoed around 210-215 stock with 244 to the crank. Besides, dyno numbers aren't everything, you could have 300whp and muster a 14.1 @ 105. Putting the power to the ground with a good driver is what's important.
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10-21-2009, 12:31 PM
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You're obviously not getting my point. You're talking shit about him because he has a 3.2 TL without a blower. If a person doesn't have a performance MOD for their car doesn't mean they don't know shit. Sorry to burst your bubbles, you won't have a 300WHP Type-S with those 3 mods. You're too ignorant with lack of proof (no track times, live dyno's, or anything).
10-21-2009, 12:35 PM
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I'm talking 6MT TL type S, 3.5L not the base 3.2L. The base 6MT gets about 230whp.
http://www.vtec.net/articles/article...ls6mt_dyno.gif
That is the dyno comparing the 6MT TL-S to the Accord 6MT, granted on a Dynojet as well. Why is it so hard to believe? The motors must be underrated if that is what they are putting out. The 7th gen 6MT dynoed around 210-215 stock with 244 to the crank. Besides, dyno numbers aren't everything, you could have 300whp and muster a 14.1 @ 105. Putting the power to the ground with a good driver is what's important.
http://www.vtec.net/articles/article...ls6mt_dyno.gif
That is the dyno comparing the 6MT TL-S to the Accord 6MT, granted on a Dynojet as well. Why is it so hard to believe? The motors must be underrated if that is what they are putting out. The 7th gen 6MT dynoed around 210-215 stock with 244 to the crank. Besides, dyno numbers aren't everything, you could have 300whp and muster a 14.1 @ 105. Putting the power to the ground with a good driver is what's important.
10-21-2009, 12:40 PM
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I'm talking 6MT TL type S, 3.5L not the base 3.2L. The base 6MT gets about 230whp.
http://www.vtec.net/articles/article...ls6mt_dyno.gif
That is the dyno comparing the 6MT TL-S to the Accord 6MT, granted on a Dynojet as well. Why is it so hard to believe? The motors must be underrated if that is what they are putting out. The 7th gen 6MT dynoed around 210-215 stock with 244 to the crank. Besides, dyno numbers aren't everything, you could have 300whp and muster a 14.1 @ 105. Putting the power to the ground with a good driver is what's important.
http://www.vtec.net/articles/article...ls6mt_dyno.gif
That is the dyno comparing the 6MT TL-S to the Accord 6MT, granted on a Dynojet as well. Why is it so hard to believe? The motors must be underrated if that is what they are putting out. The 7th gen 6MT dynoed around 210-215 stock with 244 to the crank. Besides, dyno numbers aren't everything, you could have 300whp and muster a 14.1 @ 105. Putting the power to the ground with a good driver is what's important.
Look who the ignorant one is man i just managed to get 287WHP out of semi exhaust not full exhaust and aem cold air intake and a ur crank pulley u gatta b fn kidding me if i wont get 300whp by finishing my full exhaust and installing pre-cat deletes with a j-pipe.... dude u gatta me kidding me
10-21-2009, 12:42 PM
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This is for all of u people who think u no everything but really dont ....A 6 speed car always makes more power in 4th gear then in 3rd ...here is the post https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/i-got-dyno-today-now-i-need-help-748124/#post11421887
read it and ull understand that fourth gear will make more power then 3rd will.... u people are tripping hard i mean real hard
read it and ull understand that fourth gear will make more power then 3rd will.... u people are tripping hard i mean real hard
10-21-2009, 01:03 PM
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10-21-2009, 01:50 PM
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hey don't be disrespecting NVA-AV6 aka Paul like that man. he knows his shit man. Ur so called "tuner" doesn't know jack about j-series engines. I bet u paul knows more than ur "tuner" knows. if u want us to lay off ur back go get dynoed on a mustang dyno. In reality Dynojet will always yeild higher results dude that reality. get over urself man, if u wanted a fast car buy ANOTHER CAR. U have much to learn man, research then come back.
10-21-2009, 02:16 PM
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What part of the country was this dyno done. What was the temp, and humidity, as they werent shown on the dyno sheet. The dyno was done in the wrong gear, and will yield lesser result in a 1:1 gear. I not going to ut you down or your dyno numbers. My concern is that I used to calibrate dynos as part of my previous job. I know what these cars can put to the wheels. I would talk to the dyno facility and find out how long its been since the last calibration. Then ask them to do another couple pulls in the correct gear to verify your numbers (SAE Corrected). I'm not saying the numbers are wrong, they just seem a bit high for that car.
10-21-2009, 02:20 PM
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[quote=Dave_W;11423454]What part of the country was this dyno done. What was the temp, and humidity, as they werent shown on the dyno sheet. The dyno was done in the wrong gear, and will yield lesser result in a 1:1 gear. I not going to ut you down or your dyno numbers. My concern is that I used to calibrate dynos as part of my previous job. I know what these cars can put to the wheels. I would talk to the dyno facility and find out how long its been since the last calibration. Then ask them to do another couple pulls in the correct gear to verify your numbers (SAE Corrected). I'm not saying the numbers are wrong, they just seem a bit high for that car.[/qu
ok wel it was about 78 degrees on a dyno jet with a big fan just like everyone else and thats it ...... what diffrence does it make if it was hotter it wouldnt b off by much or if it was cooler it wouldnt make to much diffrence its a all motor car not turbo remember that .....so where u trying to get at ?
all im trying to do is get 300WHP with aem cold air intake exhaust and pre-cat deletes thats it... i got 287 without the pre-cat deletes and 264 torque ....and i did it in 3rd gear and 4rth so whats wrong with my numbers ? i dont get where the big issue is it a 2008 TL-S
ok wel it was about 78 degrees on a dyno jet with a big fan just like everyone else and thats it ...... what diffrence does it make if it was hotter it wouldnt b off by much or if it was cooler it wouldnt make to much diffrence its a all motor car not turbo remember that .....so where u trying to get at ?
all im trying to do is get 300WHP with aem cold air intake exhaust and pre-cat deletes thats it... i got 287 without the pre-cat deletes and 264 torque ....and i did it in 3rd gear and 4rth so whats wrong with my numbers ? i dont get where the big issue is it a 2008 TL-S
10-21-2009, 02:40 PM
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You can get to 300WHP+, I have done it several times, but you need more than what you have done. Your precats already flow damn good (600CPI vs the std 900CPI for other Honda/Acura products) so pre cat deletes will yeild maybe 5WHP, what you are really going to need is the full exhaust ,head work and real tuning, like a FIC, the Neo is a BS box, not a tuning solution, my definition of a BS box is that all it does is screw with sensor data being sent back to the ecu (Like MAP and IAT), it does not actually change the timing or injector pulse width to actually gain control over these parts. I have proven that your engine is capable of your goal, but you have some big work to do to get there and throwing the BS dyno sheet that your tuner gave you to show what a great job he did is not going to get it done. If you are seriously interested in what your car is doing go to a third party dyno, IE someone who could care less what your numbers are so you will get objective data with proper correction factors, if you are unwilling to do this there you are just another pud-knocker trying to say how great he and his car is and really interested in providing constructive information to this forum like so many others. K'Thx'Bye.....