3gstealth

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I had my car on the dyno for the first time yesterday. Tampa Bay Tuned was hosting a dyno day and for $20 I got 2 pulls and they even fed us pizza and pop I was very happy with the results even though I know dynojets read a little optimistic. I was stuck in rush hour traffic on my way there so my engine was heat soaked.

My car is 06 5AT with CAI, coolant bypass, outlaw IM thermal gasket, pnp runners, type s cats, and rv6 jpipe.

My next mod will be installing the 3.7 TL mani / throttle body and I will do another dyno and 1/4 runs to document gains.

On to the results...

justnspace

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nice numbers from an automatic!!

thisaznboi88

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good number especially since its 90*F outside.

3gstealth

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I posted this in another thread but I thought it would be good to also have this info available here.








Went to the track last night and got a bunch of runs in. My best run was a 14.679 @ 96.03 which was my best run ever in the TL. I was really excited about it because the first time I went to this track was last winter when it was 55 degrees out. At the time my only mod was the v3 rv6 jpipe and I couldn't get the car down there faster than 15.3. Now I am running 14.6 in 83 degree weather which is a huge improvement for me. I can't wait for another 55 degree day this winter to see if I can get a 14.3 and get a full second off my original time!

At the track I was racing my friend in his Jackson Racing Supercharged Cr-z. He was running 15.3 on most runs. He had the go-pro in his car so it nice to see the difference between 15.3 (where I was originally) and where I am now. The vids are unedited so feel free to skip through us BSing.

My car is 06 5AT with CAI, coolant bypass, outlaw IM thermal gasket, pnp runners, type s cats, and rv6 jpipe.

losiglow

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Not bad at all. Thanks for sharing

Sonnick

Nice numbers OP. You're probably sitting around 238/200 SAE. Still great numbers for an auto with minimal mods. With the 3.7 setup I'd expect you to gain at least 10-12whp (more if you had PCDs/exhaust). Also, very nice improvement at the track, especially in hotter conditions! In the cooler weather, you'd probably trap 97.x.

Idk why everyone claims Dynojets read so high. It's becoming the industry standard when the CF is SAE. Although dyno's should be used primarily as a tuning tool or to see gains from a particular part. This was a good move by the OP. He went to the track to see where he's at, then dyno'd to see numbers, and plans to do it all over again after the new setup. Good job OP

3gstealth

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Thanks for the compliments guys. I read that if my dyno is SAE corrected it should read 4.5% less. Does anyone know if I dyno in cooler conditions will my HP be higher or is this already factored in my run?

When I purchased this car new in 2006 I intended to keep her completely stock. My previous car was a 2002 6MT Audi S4 and it was tuned to around 420hp at the wheels. It was very fast and very unreliable. I got the TL because I wanted something sexy, comfortable, and most importantly reliable. At first the transition was tough because the TL was so slow in comparison to my S4. However, over the years I have grown to love this TL since it has been rock solid. She just needed a little more power. Future plans included 3.7 mani / TB, comptech exhaust and possibly stage one cams. I previously had PCD but the rasp, smell, and intermittent CEL made me switch over to type s cats.

Sonnick

The CF (correction factor) takes care of the weather conditions. It really wouldn't matter if you dyno'd again in 3,000 degrees since the formula corrects for it. STD correction is a little more forgiving than SAE. SAE is the "standard," but when you're doing comparisons of before/after it doesn't make a difference as long as you stay consistent (comparing STD to STD or SAE to SAE).

gwiffer

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Did you get rasp with PCDs, stock j-pipe/3rd cat, and stock cat-back exhaust?

Or did you install the RV6 j-pipe at the same time and get rasp then?

What tires/wheels during your 1/4 mile runs?

3gstealth

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I never had the PCD on with the stock j-pipe. But when I had PCD, v3 jpipe and stock exhaust I got rasp from 2900-3400 I believe.

My street setup are wedssport tc-005 18x8 et 42 - forged 17.7lbs with michelin pilot a/s 235/40/18 24lbs all around.

I bought a pair of extra wheels to run up front on the track. They are 17x8 et 42 BBS RC which weigh 19.2 lbs a piece. The tires are pilot super sport 255/40/17 which weigh 22 lbs.

Lately I have been running my race setup on the street with the 255/40/17 up front and the 235/40/18 in back. The performance is outstanding. Too bad my wheels don't match otherwise I would always roll like that. Reverse stagger FTW.

AbyssPearlTL

nice job so far.

I'm at 14.6 @ 98 mph with the mods in sig. Definitely has more in it, putting poly mounts in soon (my motor mounts now are shot)

It's funny you said the thing about the 15.3, thats how I felt when I first ran the car like.. "wtf..."

Stock run was 15.6. Just exhaust and intake was 15.0. Wheels and larger air filter = 14.6.

socal3

I wonder how the comptech exhaust will do with those mods. Thanks for the info and # of you car.

Sonnick

Try running with your 18s. Despite the fact that they're larger, they are lighter. Can't hurt to try.

3gstealth

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I intended to do that for the dyno but I still had my track wheels on since I did not have the chance to switch them back. I think my weds are 41lbs with tire and the bbs are 43lbs with tire.

I just pulled the trigger on the 3.7 mani and zdx TB so that should open things up a bit. I have to figure out what color to get the top plate powder coated. I am between wrinkle red or a wrinkle gold...

kasualballn

What does the 3.7 mani and ZDX TB help out with? and are they bolt on w/o modifications? thanks for response in advance

justnspace

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more air flow = more power.
bolts right on

3gstealth

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I know, I wanted to trade my car in for a g37 when I was running 15.3 that night. I remember there was a g37 7AT there that same night with just CAI running 13.7

Here are my slips from the first time I went to the track back in January. It was 54 degrees out that night and the best I could manage was 15.320 @ 93.19 My only mod at the time was the rv-6 v3 j-pipe. I even had the stock intake which was killing my times.

I went from 15.3 @ 93.19 in 54 degrees to 14.6 @ 96 in 83 degrees so far. It's progress!

Here are my slips from my first runs:

Sonnick

Not only are your ET's better, but you increased your trap speed by 3mph in hotter weather. That's a significant gain. I'm sure the car feels much better too, which is very important.

3gstealth

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SAE corrected numbers for my best run are 243.68hp 207.35trq

I'm pretty happy with this considering I'm dealing with the 5AT. I can't wait to get some new numbers with the shawd mani and zdx TB. I'm hoping for an extra 10hp but would be really excited it I get 15hp out of it

hondazex

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you need PCD if you want more hp !!! big intake plan but stock exit !!

06NH6MTTL

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Here's your graph!!!!!

i_love_cars

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part #'s? How much $$$ did it set you back?

hondazex

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17160-RK2-A00 215 + ship intake manifold
16400-RK2-A01 528 + ship tl 2012 tb
16400-RYE-A11 185 + ship ZDX 2012 tb

i_love_cars

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thank you, sir.

I assume the cover plate, actuator assembly, etc. from the 3G can be re-used?

With each passing day I come closer to just pulling the trigger on all of this - am I also reading this right that you can buy P2R ported runners straight up?

That would be pretty awesome if I didn't have to ship my stock runners somewhere for polishing

TLove It!

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Agreed. Depending on the price difference as opposed to shipping the runners and TB from our cars to be PNP.
Any more information would be appreciated.
Thanks

i_love_cars

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no joke. I mean if I can realistically do all of this including a MaxBore on the TB for in the ballpark of 1000 bucks total then, uh, yeah lol giddyup I'm gonna order immediately.

thisaznboi88

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you have a type-S. So yes. The base 3.2 can't reuse the plate since the butterflies are in the IM and not the top half.

TLove It!

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Definitely. I'm all for buying a set of PNP'd runners and having my stock runners if I ever decide to sell the car.
@hondazex Thanks for the part #'s do you have the information on what company sells these parts?

i_love_cars

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he's probably quoting the part #'s from acuraoemparts.com

as for the p2r runners, the best price I've found is here:
http://www.maperformance.com/p2r-eng...ners-p323.html

free shipping on those bad boys, too.

Then just need to buy the thermal gasket, here:
http://www.heeltoeauto.com/p2r-therm...pe-s-p145.html

i'm all over this.

TLove It!

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Thank you sir. I don't know if it makes a difference but I saw that the runners were ported but not polished? Either way, seems to be a good price for not having to send your oem runners to them.

i_love_cars

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i'm pretty sure it's the same set of runners from this old group buy a couple years back:

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/p2r-ported-intake-runners-groupbuy-04-tl-07-08-tl-s-685703/

I'm more than willing to pick up a set and dyno the gains from everything. If I'm not happy with it and they don't come polished, then at least I can have them polished without having my car down for the count because I'd still have stock runners.

hondazex

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yes acuraoemparts.com .... add acurazine in comment ship from delray ,FL or

oemacuraparts.com no coupon but same price with other from Peoria, AZ

i_love_cars

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yeah the only thing that blows is clicking the Buy button 08709008 times to add all of the hardware and gaskets in addition to the core parts.

TLove It!

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Good point. If they're not polished, have it done before installing them. I can't imagine it would be too expensive to polish the runners. Might even be worth looking in to a DIY?
Thanks again for the info.

i_love_cars

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I have a machining shop nearby that I'll probably use but if you had the time I wouldn't shy from a DIY if it's just polishing.

Porting can be tricky and easy to screw up performance and lose horsepower in the process, but polishing not a huge deal.

The only other thing I would be looking into is potentially port-matching the runners to the 3.7 manifold. I just don't know how far off the ported runners from P2R would be from the 3.7 manifold. If they don't match very well, then I would say screw the P2R runners and just buy a spare set of stock runners and hand them off along with the 3.7 manifold to a shop for portmatching and polish.

3gstealth

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I had PCD installed on my car for a while but I removed them. At first I didn't mind the rasp and the smell but that coupled with the intermittent CEL that I would get every few weeks made me want to go another route. When I removed them I replaced them with type s cats. They are 600 cell which flows better than the 900 cell that were stock on my car.

My current exhaust setup is type s cats - v3 j-pipe - stock exhaust. I plan on eventually getting a comptech exhaust.

Sonnick

Definitely port match the manifold to the runners. Thisaznboi did mine exactly to the OEM gasket, so I just had the shop gasket match it. The manifold was ~1mm less than my runners initially. I'd even consider porting the manifold being that you're on the 3.5, but that's up to you.

NvrDwn

Nice numbers man!

3gstealth

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Finally got my mani cover back from the powder coater... I think it turned out great! Before I got it powder coated I shaved off all the ugly casting imperfections around the bolt holes and sanded everything down flush. I finished the logo with 400 grit sand paper to give it a matte look. I think it makes it stand out better than polishing since it will scatter the light.

I wanted to install it right away, but my clamps were too small for the beefy ZDX TB so I have to order those. Oh well, it will make a nice centerpiece in my living room for the time being

anx1300c

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Looks good!

So what clamps are you talking about, the CAI clamps?

What CAI do you have?