Comptech 3rd gen supercharger picture!!!!
12-09-2004, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by wavshrdr
The other stuff Onager wrote is accurate. This quote illustrates my earlier point about automatics and turbos in that you don't need to let off during shifts so the AT turbo cars are almost always faster than the MT turbo cars in acceleration. You just keep the pedal mashed to the floor and let the turbo work its magic. One the Datsun/Nissan turbo Z's first came out the AT version even with a crappy tranny was almost a half second quicker in the 1/4 mile than the MT version. I had the manual which was substantially faster on a road race course but after I raced against the first 2 AT Turbo Z's I knew there was no point in racing them again from a standing start. They kicked my butt by such a big margin it wasn't funny. It took a lot of mods for my MT to finally beat a normal automatic in the 1/4 miles.
One big plus with a turbo AT car is it is very easy to get boost off the line. You can brake torque the engine to put a load on the turbo and you have boost immediately. For a street car this can be a huge advantage.
What I really like about turbos is how easy they are to tweak. It is a very simple matter to adjust boost from within the cockpit. Not so easy to do with a SC. One area where this is very sweet is lets suppose you have your car set up for sea level and it is tuned to the maximum safe reliable levels you want. Now you take a trip up to the mountains. Since the air is less dense you could safely assume that you can increase the boost to compensate and still make the same HP you did at lower altitudes while normally aspirated (NA) cars are wheezing like they have emphysema. Now this holds true IF your turbo will still operate in an efficient area of its compressor map and that you aren't overspeedind the turbo. Whenever I go up into the Rocky mountains I always take advantage of this as it makes passing cars very easy.
One big plus with a turbo AT car is it is very easy to get boost off the line. You can brake torque the engine to put a load on the turbo and you have boost immediately. For a street car this can be a huge advantage.
What I really like about turbos is how easy they are to tweak. It is a very simple matter to adjust boost from within the cockpit. Not so easy to do with a SC. One area where this is very sweet is lets suppose you have your car set up for sea level and it is tuned to the maximum safe reliable levels you want. Now you take a trip up to the mountains. Since the air is less dense you could safely assume that you can increase the boost to compensate and still make the same HP you did at lower altitudes while normally aspirated (NA) cars are wheezing like they have emphysema. Now this holds true IF your turbo will still operate in an efficient area of its compressor map and that you aren't overspeedind the turbo. Whenever I go up into the Rocky mountains I always take advantage of this as it makes passing cars very easy.
12-10-2004, 12:44 AM
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I am wondering if this bottom end is the same as the Nsx 
need to check into this many Nsx owners have gone turbo running low boost and making 400whp with 5-6 psi and they also have 10:5 to 11:1 compression ratio. it depends on what year 
They have also run 10 to 15psi and nit blown up so i thik my tl may go under the knife over the winter not sure yet
need to check into this many Nsx owners have gone turbo running low boost and making 400whp with 5-6 psi and they also have 10:5 to 11:1 compression ratio. it depends on what year They have also run 10 to 15psi and nit blown up so i thik my tl may go under the knife over the winter not sure yet
12-15-2004, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wavshrdr
Swapping the injector could work assuming the stock fuel pump will keep up. It is the old weakest link issue.
Stock injectors should be fine. The base pulley with this kit should produce 3-4psi, nothing crazy. The kit for the 2nd Gen CL/TL included a new fuel pump and a rising rate fuel pressure regulator.
12-15-2004, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Acuraluvr
that is hot!!!! for 3000$$, thats is a bargin considering the exhaust thay r selling is 1000 for 5-10 horse..... 
I'm sure it will cost at least $4,500.
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Originally Posted by Nitrotiger
I am wondering if this bottom end is the same as the Nsx need to check into this many Nsx owners have gone turbo running low boost and making 400whp with 5-6 psi and they also have 10:5 to 11:1 compression ratio. it depends on what year They have also run 10 to 15psi and nit blown up so i thik my tl may go under the knife over the winter not sure yet
need to check into this many Nsx owners have gone turbo running low boost and making 400whp with 5-6 psi and they also have 10:5 to 11:1 compression ratio. it depends on what year They have also run 10 to 15psi and nit blown up so i thik my tl may go under the knife over the winter not sure yet Bottom end is different. I don't remember the compression ratio of the 3rd Gen TL but with 4psi of boost you guys should add about 40whp on the autos and 55-60whp on the 6MT's.
It appears as if this kit is run off the power steering pulley which is different from the 2nd Gen kit. Eventually someone, if not Comptech will come out with a "high boost pulley" that may add a max of 2.5psi to the output of the blower and add an additional 25-35whp to both automatics and 6MT's. If it is an Eaton MP62, which it looks like it is, the blower will be maxed out around 10psi. Even so, the CR of the 3rd Gen motor is too high for that amount of boost, even the 2nd Gen motor has too high of a CR for that much psi, maybe even with an intercooler.
The Hope System's intercooler kit would work on the 3rd Gen TL most likely with very little modifications needed. A new harness would need to be designed for fuel management via the GReddy E-Manage. All Comptech S/C kits come with their ESM unit to basically "hide" the boost from the ECU.
12-15-2004, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Bottom end is different. I don't remember the compression ratio of the 3rd Gen TL but with 4psi of boost you guys should add about 40whp on the autos and 55-60whp on the 6MT's.
It appears as if this kit is run off the power steering pulley which is different from the 2nd Gen kit. Eventually someone, if not Comptech will come out with a "high boost pulley" that may add a max of 2.5psi to the output of the blower and add an additional 25-35whp to both automatics and 6MT's. If it is an Eaton MP62, which it looks like it is, the blower will be maxed out around 10psi. Even so, the CR of the 3rd Gen motor is too high for that amount of boost, even the 2nd Gen motor has too high of a CR for that much psi, maybe even with an intercooler.
The Hope System's intercooler kit would work on the 3rd Gen TL most likely with very little modifications needed. A new harness would need to be designed for fuel management via the GReddy E-Manage. All Comptech S/C kits come with their ESM unit to basically "hide" the boost from the ECU.
It appears as if this kit is run off the power steering pulley which is different from the 2nd Gen kit. Eventually someone, if not Comptech will come out with a "high boost pulley" that may add a max of 2.5psi to the output of the blower and add an additional 25-35whp to both automatics and 6MT's. If it is an Eaton MP62, which it looks like it is, the blower will be maxed out around 10psi. Even so, the CR of the 3rd Gen motor is too high for that amount of boost, even the 2nd Gen motor has too high of a CR for that much psi, maybe even with an intercooler.
The Hope System's intercooler kit would work on the 3rd Gen TL most likely with very little modifications needed. A new harness would need to be designed for fuel management via the GReddy E-Manage. All Comptech S/C kits come with their ESM unit to basically "hide" the boost from the ECU.
s/c boost is directly proportional to base power. at 15psi you'll get 100% (+270hp) more power, at 7.5psi you should get 50% (+135) more power, and at 3.75psi you should get 25% (+67.5hp), subtract some for parasitic drag, etc. your #'s at 2.5 PSI look good, and possibly the parasitic drag losses could be offset with the intercooler.
12-15-2004, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cvajs
s/c boost is directly proportional to base power. at 15psi you'll get 100% (+270hp) more power, at 7.5psi you should get 50% (+135) more power, and at 3.75psi you should get 25% (+67.5hp), subtract some for parasitic drag, etc. your #'s at 2.5 PSI look good, and possibly the parasitic drag losses could be offset with the intercooler.
My numbers were based off the gains I noticed with my 2nd Gen kit. Adding 6.5-7psi of boost to my car added 70whp. Hopefully the intercooler kit and the added boost will bump that by another 35whp for a grand total of 330whp.
EDIT: That's on the automatic too
12-15-2004, 03:04 PM
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Oh and the Comptech kit for the 2nd Gen is excellent. Throttle response is amazing. The power delivery is very smooth. It feels as if a larger engine were swapped under the hood. Normal highway cruising is not affected by the S/C until it comes time to pass someone slower than you.
12-15-2004, 03:09 PM
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2nd Gen 5AT CL-S S/C'ed with High Boost Pulley Dyno
Sorry for the crappy pic. My scanner wasn't up and running when I got the dyno done so I had to take a pic of the graph.
The power gains start right off idle. The increased torque allows for easy highway passing while still in overdrive.
The pre-S/C graph is with the following mods: Icebox, Headers, Custom Tuned UniChip, Axle-back exhaust.
The S/C graph shows: Icebox, Supercharger at 7psi, Headers, Cat-back Exhaust
The power gains start right off idle. The increased torque allows for easy highway passing while still in overdrive.
The pre-S/C graph is with the following mods: Icebox, Headers, Custom Tuned UniChip, Axle-back exhaust.
The S/C graph shows: Icebox, Supercharger at 7psi, Headers, Cat-back Exhaust
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Originally Posted by ITL
seems like someone will figure something out for the headers...wonder what the options are...
Torch the exhaust manifolds off the engine block, alter the block so that larger manifolds can be bolted on or welded again. $$$$$$
12-16-2004, 02:04 PM
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That's one of the higher dyno's I've seen for the 5at, mrsteve...
How much boost do you plan to run with the i/c? Those are seriously strong numbers on the 5at. Most of them I have seen are sitting 275-285hp and 225-235tq and that is after a lower baseline than with your other bolton mods...
I simply wish the 3rd gen was either awd or rwd. I drove the '05 G35 the other night (5at) and though I really liked the car and its mod potential, the interior and convenience features are simply nowhere near what Acura is offering. But, in base form, it still feels so much stronger than the '05 TL 6mt even with the auto and the Stillen s/c kit will be right around the corner for the '05s...
How much boost do you plan to run with the i/c? Those are seriously strong numbers on the 5at. Most of them I have seen are sitting 275-285hp and 225-235tq and that is after a lower baseline than with your other bolton mods...
I simply wish the 3rd gen was either awd or rwd. I drove the '05 G35 the other night (5at) and though I really liked the car and its mod potential, the interior and convenience features are simply nowhere near what Acura is offering. But, in base form, it still feels so much stronger than the '05 TL 6mt even with the auto and the Stillen s/c kit will be right around the corner for the '05s...
01-06-2005, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by r10apple
That's one of the higher dyno's I've seen for the 5at, mrsteve...
How much boost do you plan to run with the i/c? Those are seriously strong numbers on the 5at. Most of them I have seen are sitting 275-285hp and 225-235tq and that is after a lower baseline than with your other bolton mods...
I simply wish the 3rd gen was either awd or rwd. I drove the '05 G35 the other night (5at) and though I really liked the car and its mod potential, the interior and convenience features are simply nowhere near what Acura is offering. But, in base form, it still feels so much stronger than the '05 TL 6mt even with the auto and the Stillen s/c kit will be right around the corner for the '05s...
How much boost do you plan to run with the i/c? Those are seriously strong numbers on the 5at. Most of them I have seen are sitting 275-285hp and 225-235tq and that is after a lower baseline than with your other bolton mods...
I simply wish the 3rd gen was either awd or rwd. I drove the '05 G35 the other night (5at) and though I really liked the car and its mod potential, the interior and convenience features are simply nowhere near what Acura is offering. But, in base form, it still feels so much stronger than the '05 TL 6mt even with the auto and the Stillen s/c kit will be right around the corner for the '05s...
01-06-2005, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by r10apple
That's one of the higher dyno's I've seen for the 5at, mrsteve...
How much boost do you plan to run with the i/c? Those are seriously strong numbers on the 5at. Most of them I have seen are sitting 275-285hp and 225-235tq and that is after a lower baseline than with your other bolton mods...
I simply wish the 3rd gen was either awd or rwd. I drove the '05 G35 the other night (5at) and though I really liked the car and its mod potential, the interior and convenience features are simply nowhere near what Acura is offering. But, in base form, it still feels so much stronger than the '05 TL 6mt even with the auto and the Stillen s/c kit will be right around the corner for the '05s...
How much boost do you plan to run with the i/c? Those are seriously strong numbers on the 5at. Most of them I have seen are sitting 275-285hp and 225-235tq and that is after a lower baseline than with your other bolton mods...
I simply wish the 3rd gen was either awd or rwd. I drove the '05 G35 the other night (5at) and though I really liked the car and its mod potential, the interior and convenience features are simply nowhere near what Acura is offering. But, in base form, it still feels so much stronger than the '05 TL 6mt even with the auto and the Stillen s/c kit will be right around the corner for the '05s...
Sorry I didn't see this post earlier.
There are a few other 5AT dynos within 5whp or so.
With the intercooler boost will be increased another 1.5psi. Should be good for 330whp maybe as much as 340.
01-06-2005, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PoochaKannInc
I believe that mr. steve has the 6mt.
Nope, I have a 2002 CL-S, 5AT.
The 6MT will make more whp than me with the stock pulley (3.5psi)
There's a guy on the CL forum who is in California so he doesn't run the high boost pulley due to the crappy gas (91 octane). He made 305whp on the dyno @ Comptech. Same exact mods as me, just the smaller pulley. The 5AT soaks up nearly 25% of the power before it hits the wheels
01-06-2005, 11:12 AM
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Looks good, but that would be overkill for me.
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I just got an e-mail from comptech saying there supercharger will be ready on April 1st. Hopefully that won't be an april fools joke. That would suck! Anyway just got the e-mail like an hour ago.
01-18-2005, 12:14 PM
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They've been postponing this for a very long time. End of 2004 and nothing, well I guess we have a new date to wait for.. and hopefully not be disappointed yet again :P This kind of reminds me of blizzard entertainment and their games.
01-18-2005, 02:59 PM
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The fact that this has been delayed so long only indicates to me that they have not finished their research/development probably due to long-term reliability issues. When they issue this for sale, it must meet their strict criteria for their products not damaging the cars that they are installed onto. Clearly, this new engine setup is a different beast, since the prevous supercharger has done so well w/ the old J32A engine architecture. I wonder if the higher compression ratio is what is causing them to take more time to get this thing running.
Just b/c there is a picture of the s/c installed on a car, doesn't mean it's running flawlessly. i trust CT to the point that once they DO start selling this thing, it'll be a solid add-on, and we all won't be disappointed.
Just b/c there is a picture of the s/c installed on a car, doesn't mean it's running flawlessly. i trust CT to the point that once they DO start selling this thing, it'll be a solid add-on, and we all won't be disappointed.
01-18-2005, 03:26 PM
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As of last week, CT told me they just got back their TL from SEMA and still haven't completed the remapping for the custom chip they're working on for the TL S/C kit. Hopeful for you guys, that will happen soon. I'm also interested in the TL S/C kit progress because according to CT that custom chip may eventually replace the ESM for the CL S/C kit and make additional power gains.
01-18-2005, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
A 6MT with my identical setup would make 330whp without an intercooler 
01-18-2005, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cls6sp03
As of last week, CT told me they just got back their TL from SEMA and still haven't completed the remapping for the custom chip they're working on for the TL S/C kit. Hopeful for you guys, that will happen soon. I'm also interested in the TL S/C kit progress because according to CT that custom chip may eventually replace the ESM for the CL S/C kit and make additional power gains.
It seems like CAI for the 3rd gen TL isn't showing much gain...I wonder how pronounced the CAI gains would be with the SC....same thoughts about the CT exhaust....
I am losing intrest as i am sure the rest of us are as well. 
08-25-2005, 09:27 PM
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.... j/k. It's nice that Comptech uses a Red TL in their pics 
