Buzzinhornet

Okay, what does anyone know about a brake swap off an 07' Type-S front braking system to an 04' AT. I'm looking at the Brembo calipers off the 07, but the dealer says a lot has to be changed in order for them too work like the rotors (2004 = 16" and the 2007 = 17" rotors), knuckles (mounting holes for the Brembo's are different than stock knuckle) and rims as the 04 (17") rims won't clear the Brembo caliper so an 18" rim is required. If I change all that are the hubs and drive shafts still going to fit and what about the ride height (springs/shocks are A-Spec) as the dealer thinks the 07 knuckles are longer? Add to all of this the camber issue... any thoughts????

Thanks to anyone who might know.

stillhere153

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dude like I told you on ur first post, it is a direct fit, no need to open a new thread, in fact my thread is sticky so you don't need to open a new thread

the 3rd gen tl rolls out of the factory with wheels that clear the biggest breaks that can fit this car PERIOD

the dealer is WRONG about the knuckles AS I STATED BEFORE THIS MOD HAS BEEN DONE NUMEROUS TIMES, although they have different part #'s THEY ARE THE SAME

01tl4tl

then why do experts like Excelerate say all those parts need to be changed?

Or the better option for the same money is Wilwood caliper setup- 6 pistons not just 4

Or stay with what you have and get SS brake lines, better pads and rotors-
then paint your calipers black ---- like many of us have

vc123

wow ur serious? the knuckles r the SAME? .... i have the brembo calipers lol i m saving up for new knuckles, bearings and sh*t like that
so if i have the calipers, all i need is bigger rotors, brake lines and pads?

I hate cars

If I would have known about this I would've done swapped brakes a long time ago.

So, to clarify, you can bolt on the Brembos from the MT/TypeS to the base auto TL without changing a bunch of parts?

stillhere153

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^ that is correct and it has been done atleast 3 times, and I can think of atleast 1 7th gen accord rolling around on brembo stockies

<- because the fitment guru said so... (od throwback to stone cold steve austin)

ACCURATEin

Al are you serious? Hellz yeah if you are. That means i dont need to swap anything but the damn calipers and rotors.

How sure are you?

Buzzinhornet

Great to see everyone chiming in on this. I've looked at the parts diagram and it looks like the hub assembly is the same. The rotor looks to be different and I'd assume that because the Brembo has a wider surface area. So the stock calp's and where they mount are the exact distance (holes) as the Brembo's. And the stock rim's that come on the base TL will clear the B-calps. Then that is awesome, just need the brake lines, rotors and pads. What brand of pad would you recommend? What brand of suspension (springs/shocks) would you recommend or is the A-spec good enough and the camber correction, does your rec require one?

I hate cars

Another question, is the master cylinder the same and what about the prop valve?

stillhere153

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though I don't believe you need the knuckle

Buzzinhornet

Yeah was looking at the original thread, kinda confused on the whole knuckle thang. Guess the proof will be when I take the original caliper off and see if the Brembo lines up to the holes, also need to see if the 17" rotor that goes with this setup fits inside that caliper properly. It could be the new knuckle castings made have placed those mounting holes further out (away from the hub) to accommodate the larger rotor diameter so clearances are correct. Next question is which year knuckle do I need to replace this with if the 04 knuckle doesn't fit the Brembo caliper? 3rd gen's didn't have these calp's until 07 on the Type-S MT. Is this knuckle the same with exception of the mounting holes for the calipers. The hubs look the same with exception of pressing new bearings, will have to see if the new knuckles come with the bearing or not. Thanks for all the info... hopefully I'll get the definitive answers I need without getting soaked on parts I don't need in the process. I'm new to the TL as I've been building a late model 95 2.2l Accord and have now stepped up to the TL. I've got a sweet white diamond, just bought it, was owned by a retired couple and it's mint!!! Have many plans for this car, so if you have any suggestions on street legal mod's let me know. Have been looking at comments about ATLP J pipes/ATLP race pipes and P2R spacer... what can you tell me about all this stuff?

stillhere153

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I am at work and on my blackberry so I can't cross refference knuckle's at this very moment

Stop by acuraoemparts.com and compare the part #, if the last 3 characters are the only diff, then it is pretty much the same

Cross refference the following
Auto 04 to 06 VS 6speed 04 to 06
6speed 04 to 06 VS Auto 07 to 08 TLS
Auto 04 to 06 VS Auto 07 to 08 TLS

As for performance mods
Intake: AEM V2 for the 03 to 07 Accord V6 fits
Exhaust: see rv6-performance.com acuratlparts.com store.excelerateperformance.com and also heeltoeauto.com

Exhaust has many options
Starting from the precats back to the rear bumper

Look into the unorthodox racing underdrive pulley

P2R thermoblock gasket (a silicone gasket between the runners and the plenum)

If you have any questions regarding what parts to get and where pm me, I am always online

vc123

04-06 Auto

Left 51210-SEP-A11
Right 51215-SEP-A11

04-06 6MT
Left 51210-SEP-A01
Right 51215-SEP-A01


those r the part ###
do u think they r the same?

stillhere153

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SWEET, thanks for posting the numbers up for me, here is a quick HOW TO... since I am the fitment guru I will show you guys how I CHEAT at fitment

bare with me for any run on senteces, I am on my blackberry and copying and pasting using 2 different browsers 1 for search and the other for posting

All Honda Parts have a unique part number. Honda divides parts into two broad categories, General Parts and Standard Parts. General parts are those unique to Honda, such as valves and pistons etc. Standard parts are parts that follow universal standards, such as nuts and bolts.

The first string of digits (512-XXX-XXX) indicates the Honda function and component number for this part.

The second string of digits (XXXXX-SEP-XXX) is the product code, also known as Parts Classification Number in hondaspeak. This is the number that indicates the product (Suspension Component) where this particular part was first used.

The third string of digits (XXXXX-XXX-XXX) is the Classification Number. I believe it is mostly used to indicate various suppliers or improvements for the same part. Also any potential color code is tacked at the end of the classification number as digits (letters) 4 & 5.

vc123

wow if thats the case then it WILL fit
thanks stillhere!
i m going to save A LOT of $$$

stillhere153

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<- fitment guru, 99% fitment accuracy rating, I think I was wrong once if that, was partially wrong actually a long time ago

Glad I could help

Actually this is good for me also because the guys have been saying the tsx bbk can't fit on 6speed or type s auto, but I had a feeling it was the same anyway

Buzzinhornet

Thanks for the info, told this to the dealer and now they know the real deal. Also gave them this website to help other's who need to know! You da man!!!

ACCURATEin

...so if you're currently running at a 99% accuracy rating, that means i can go down to my garage right now and start wrenching on the two brake systems, swap them, and be done with it.

SWEET!

I trust your 99% rating. I'm sure it will not drop to 96% if i come across something out of the ordinary.

chill_dog

I think you need to put those Brembo's on my car, not your old 5AT.

ACCURATEin

I should right?! ...but, once you come by here to pick up those two toyos to mount on your 3pF devotions, they shall not clear thy brembo-ness!

KB1Spec

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<-- Brembo 4 pot BBK for sale kee kee kee

chill_dog

You just have to point out these depressing things, don't you? And unfortunately, if given a choice right now, I'd choose the tires. Somebody needs to sell a Rotora four-wheel BBK for cheap to me.

stillhere153

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i saw those things on ebay... the look so damn good

KB1Spec

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Ya...but no taker >_<

stillhere153

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^ marketing 101... you need to research just how many cars they fit... last I checked them badboys even fit the element

Escobar7

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45018-SEP-A60 CALIPER SUB-ASSY., R. FR. 2007 TL $320.82
45019-SEP-A60 CALIPER SUB-ASSY., L. FR. 2007 TL $320.82
45022-SEP-A60 PAD SET, FR. 2007 TL $156.53
45251-SEP-A51 DISK, FR. BRAKE (17 in.) 2007 TL $141.48


okay this is what i could find as far as part # and prices still need brakeline and bearings pls help

Escobar7

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i have a 05tl aspec these are part# for the brembo i want to do the upgrade kit

stillhere153

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why buy the stock rotors and pads? you can buy the aftermarket one's

you also need a couple minor parts that won't exceed $100

Escobar7

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yea am getting crossed drilled, but i thought i might just post it for people that might want OEM

ACCURATEin

...Al...just got in from the garage.

...And guess what happened to your accuracy rating?!

Buzzinhornet

Okay, don't keep us waiting... what did you find????

ACCURATEin

Basically, it was a FAIL.

stillhere153's accuracy rating dropped substantially from a comfortable 99% to a solid 83%.



The knuckles are in fact different. The holes are both the same distance at 5.5 inches apart. But the difference is the offset of the location of the two holes from the rotor.

I should probably take a picture of this so everyone can understand exactly what i'm trying to convey.

Buzzinhornet

I know what you're talking about, I'd asked this question further up in this thread. The stock rotor's are 16" and the Type-S are 17", knowing this the calp's would be further away from the hub to account for that extra distance from the hub and the wider surface area of the Brembo's. Now the question is, what else is different on the knuckles, are they the same height etc. Guess the dealership got one right as they told me the knuckles were different. Now I need knuckles, bearings, brake lines, Rotors, Brembo calp's (already have) and pads too make this happen. Let us all know if anything else is different.

ACCURATEin

I'll get some pictures up of the knuckle. I've got the project mu rotors off the hub so when i take the picture the difference will be visible. I'll also check to see if anything else is different about the knuckle.

LIPPSTUH

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forget knuckles, easier to get a bracket made.

ACCURATEin

You will have to cut the knuckle to make the brembos fit.

stillhere153

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Dude so put the knuckles u have in ur auto...or order some auto knuckles they aren't that expensive last I checked $150 total

Not my fault the part number theory was wrong :'( :'( fuck

Sorry eric....

Buzzinhornet

Yeah, I'm going to order the knuckles off the 07 Type-S 5AT. The chassis on this car is the same from 04-08, I can't see Acura redesigning the front suspension just for Brembo calipers, the tooling cost would be too much and it makes more sense to recast the knuckles with the same basic geometry and moving the mounting holes a little further away from the center of the hub to accommodate the wider surfaced rotor and caliper's. Once or if I make this successful I'll post what parts I needed and all the details to make this swap a reality for anyone else who might be interested in upgrading the stopping power of a non-Type S. Thanks to everyone who chimed in.

ACCURATEin

It's ok Al, no worries. It was good experience pulling the rotors and calipers off both cars. I feel better now that i know exactly what's different between the 5AT and 6MT knuckles.

ACCURATEin

Here is a shot of the 5AT knuckle...