curious.. on a stock TL a spec 06 6 speed, if you were to add a throttoe body spacer, and CAI you think it would take you over the 300BHP? or maybe add j pipe, or free flowing cats? i was looking at CAI but i want the p2r spacer before i get CAI. the car stock SAE is 258 but we allknow its still 270hp. so what do u guys think it would take to put me over 300BHP?

 

bhp... are you british...?

its either at the crank or at the wheels... if bhp= @ crank... then an exhaust/intake puts you there... if it is at the wheels, only an s/c will get you there

 

no american, i was just wondering what it would take to get me over 300 @the crank. i thoughtmaybe p2r spacer, CAi, and jpipe , but you think ATLP exhaust is better then comptech? i think it is but never had any proof, but looks DEF.

 

I really doubt a throttle body spacer and CAI will get you 300 brake horse power...haha

Intake and exhaust...maybe.

Intake, Exhaust, J-pipe and I think you might get it.

 

With all my mods when I dynoed my Type-S I got 261 wheel HP and 241 TQ. Calculate that to approximately 306 crank horsepower. So no, on your 3.2 I dont think that 300 crank HP is possible with a throttle body and a CAI. Perhaps with CAI, J-pipe, underdrive pulley, exhaust, and pre-cat deletes you may acheive that goal.

 

Hey TLFour what do u think ur 0-60 would be? 5.7?

 

It was never 270hp. It has always been 258 since '04. The 270 figure was a farce, and it's wheel horsepower you should be concerned with anyway. Crank numbers mean nothing.

And no, an intake and spacer will not get you to 300. Even with every available bolt on, short of a blower, the 3.2 will not make 300 at the crank. Being a 6MT, you could possibly break the 250 mark at the wheels (with full bolt ons) on a dynojet if you're lucky.

 

Wow, thats how slow our car is?

 

^ Man whats your deal? If you think the TL is that slow, why don't you trade it in for a faster car? So many of your posts are about how the TL lacks performance.

Sorry.. had to come out.

/rant

 

huh? All that's been mentioned is HP, not 0-60.

The 2004 TL had a rating of 270 crank, but the SAE rating system changed becuase what some manuf. were doing was putting on shorter exhausts, running it on lower oil, etc to inflate the numbers. So the true crank HP is 258HP.

You would need to add 42 HP to get to 300 Crank HP, so that would be a CAI, E-Shift Pro Cats or Pre-Cats Deletes, ATLP J Pipe and ATLP Exhaust.

 

Stock Type-S 6MT can do ~5.5 with a good driver.

 

So you subtract 45 HP from the crank to get the WHP? And vice versa? Is that like set in stone? I always wondered how one would figure those numbers...

 

And on base auto tl, 0-60 is 6.5 hopefully. And i was kinda kidding about our car being slow.

 

Well Car and Driver said the stock TL Type-S does 0-60 in 5.7 so I assume mine does it in about 5.3.. With the right driving and conditions of course.


Well when I dynoed my car thats what the guy said, he used his calculator and threw out that number as a round estimate. Its not much of a science really. I have always heard that you add 15% of the wheel horsepower for FWD/RWD and 20% for AWD to calculate crank horsepower. That compensates for all the parasite drag that the power goes through by the time it turns the wheels. Like I said I am not saying thats the way it is and thats all, just throwing that out there as an estimate.

So take a stock TL-S with 286 factory horsepower (of course all manufacturers state crank HP since its a higher number) and you come up with roughly 243.1 wheel horsepower. Which sounds about right... Like I said its just a rough estimate.

 

To get 300 crank hp out of the base TL you would want to get:

P2R TB Spacer/Thermal Gaskets 5 HP
AEM CAI 10 HP
J-Pipe 10 HP
Exhaust 10 HP
UR Pulley 7 HP

All dynos are different so each car will put out different whp on different dynos and on different days but an average for calculating whp is as follows:

Take off 15% for FWD M/T
Take off 18% for FWD A/T
Take off 20% for RWD
Take off 25% for AWD

 

or if you have SH-AWD, 32% is the right number

 

Well thewanderer316 dyno'd 270 whp on a dyno dynamics aka dream killer

 

Dam, 5.3 with a couple of mods is fast as a v8. And even though 0-60 isn't the best, doesn't the car haul ass after 60?

 

the TL-S is a fast car, it hauls ass up until it reach's 4th gear where it drops out of VTEC range, but at that point you have to be going pretty fast 100+, TLfourplay should know, he drives 160 MPH on the autobahn.

 

Well actually just 150 since thats where the governor kicks in but yeah the car definately hauls ass in the upper range. I can hit the 150 governor in 5th gear. Check out my vids in one of my posts if you wanna see how it pulls from 130-150 in 5th and 6th.

 

But, then again i forgot u had 6mt. Damit i wish i had 6mt. But a stock auto tl, does 0-60, in 6.4, 6.5?Sometimes i get 0-60 in high 6. THe somes times, i get it 0-60 in high 7 sec?

 

what about 0-60 on a stock tl type s auto ... mine launches pretty good

 

^^ prolly 5.9-6.0

 

Dyno Dynamics dynos usually report 15% lower than Dynojets. They call them the Heartbreakers

 

310hp on an auto tl-s lol.... I wish... I never really listen to dyno numbers tho, I go by how hard the car pulls...

does wanderer's car pull with no cats jpipe and xlr8 catback... YES... can it kill mine.... only if he bought new wider tires and by that time I will already have my next setup

 

Sorry, but a lightweight crank pulley gives you 0 horsepower at the crank. SAE horsepower is measured at the flywheel and the crank pulley has no bearing on it. It'll give you a few hp at the wheels for sure, but it doesn't make the engine itself any stronger. I guess it could be argued that it adds the illusion of more crank horsepower.

 

the UR crank pulley lightens the load on the motor, therefore causing it to spin up faster, thus getting to your powerband faster

 

I understand that. I have one on my car and as I stated, it does free up a few WHP, but it doesn't increase SAE output at the flywheel, as Excelerate implied.

 

The crank pulley frees up hp just like a lightweight flywheel would. So in order to give the OP a general idea of what hp it "makes" or frees up I gave a number based on past dynos and UR's claims.