5AT to 6MT parts list
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So yeah you were right about it all except the pedal wiring worked based off the 04-05 images. it knows when I press the clutch and the key immobilizer icon pops up.
#165
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Perfect thanks man, I'm you have no idea how much I appreciate you're patiences by now you're probably banging your head on a wall lol. I'm ordering these harness and replacing the ecu with a 06. With 05 harness i put a new battery and tested all the electronics everything except the important things work. The turn signals don't work or even respond and I couldn't get the engine on to test the reverse lights.
So yeah you were right about it all except the pedal wiring worked based off the 04-05 images. it knows when I press the clutch and the key immobilizer icon pops up.
So yeah you were right about it all except the pedal wiring worked based off the 04-05 images. it knows when I press the clutch and the key immobilizer icon pops up.
I think you might be getting the indication off the cluster from the clutch pedal position switch that goes to the ECM, not the starter cut relay.
There's no sense circuit on the starter cut circuit for the cluster to receive anything over the CAN buses on the car.
However, the clutch pedal position goes directly to the ECM and the ECM is on the F-CAN bus and can feed that information to the cluster which is also on the F-CAN. So I think your guy wired the position switch right.
On the 06 the clutch pedal position is going to have to be moved, it's on a different pin on the ECM.
Odd that the turn signals don't work though. That comes off the cabin (dash) harness from the looks of it, the ECU harnesses shouldn't have any effect on them.
Just curious, did they work prior to wiring in the starter cut relay?
I think the starter cut relay is in a different spot on your 06 fuse box from where its at on the 04-05 fuse box, so if he wired it to the interior fuse box relay where the 04-05 starter cut relay is it could be wired in wrong.
If he used a separate relay altogether (not-OEM in the fuse box) that was added in it might've been done right, but I obviously can't tell.
On second thought it looks like there is something on the ECM through the harness for the starter cut somewhere, but duno what it does, the STS pin.
Anyhow, it should be lined up for the 06, which I don't have schematics for the starter cut circuit on 06 but it's probably same as 07-08 but I can't verify
Last edited by mzilvar; 04-03-2014 at 08:15 PM.
#166
That's good, I really hope everything works out.
I think you might be getting the indication off the cluster from the clutch pedal position switch that goes to the ECM, not the starter cut relay.
There's no sense circuit on the starter cut circuit for the cluster to receive anything over the CAN buses on the car.
However, the clutch pedal position goes directly to the ECM and the ECM is on the F-CAN bus and can feed that information to the cluster which is also on the F-CAN. So I think your guy wired the position switch right.
On the 06 the clutch pedal position is going to have to be moved, it's on a different pin on the ECM.
Odd that the turn signals don't work though. That comes off the cabin (dash) harness from the looks of it, the ECU harnesses shouldn't have any effect on them.
Just curious, did they work prior to wiring in the starter cut relay?
I think the starter cut relay is in a different spot on your 06 fuse box from where its at on the 04-05 fuse box, so if he wired it to the interior fuse box relay where the 04-05 starter cut relay is it could be wired in wrong.
If he used a separate relay altogether (not-OEM in the fuse box) that was added in it might've been done right, but I obviously can't tell.
On second thought it looks like there is something on the ECM through the harness for the starter cut somewhere, but duno what it does, the STS pin.
Anyhow, it should be lined up for the 06, which I don't have schematics for the starter cut circuit on 06 but it's probably same as 07-08 but I can't verify
I think you might be getting the indication off the cluster from the clutch pedal position switch that goes to the ECM, not the starter cut relay.
There's no sense circuit on the starter cut circuit for the cluster to receive anything over the CAN buses on the car.
However, the clutch pedal position goes directly to the ECM and the ECM is on the F-CAN bus and can feed that information to the cluster which is also on the F-CAN. So I think your guy wired the position switch right.
On the 06 the clutch pedal position is going to have to be moved, it's on a different pin on the ECM.
Odd that the turn signals don't work though. That comes off the cabin (dash) harness from the looks of it, the ECU harnesses shouldn't have any effect on them.
Just curious, did they work prior to wiring in the starter cut relay?
I think the starter cut relay is in a different spot on your 06 fuse box from where its at on the 04-05 fuse box, so if he wired it to the interior fuse box relay where the 04-05 starter cut relay is it could be wired in wrong.
If he used a separate relay altogether (not-OEM in the fuse box) that was added in it might've been done right, but I obviously can't tell.
On second thought it looks like there is something on the ECM through the harness for the starter cut somewhere, but duno what it does, the STS pin.
Anyhow, it should be lined up for the 06, which I don't have schematics for the starter cut circuit on 06 but it's probably same as 07-08 but I can't verify
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Oh jeeze so it could be that he wired the correct spot for the pin but the other one could be cutting into lights? My headlights and brights work on the switch. just the turns don't work, but that sounds like a easy fix once all the new harness and pcm are in and I repgroram it.
That's correct, you have a weird situation with your harness.. since the 06 is wired like the 07-08 for the ECM, and you're using the 05 ECM.
So the pedal position switch should've been wired to the correct pin for the 05 ECM and the starter cut relay needed to be wired to the correct relay (that is likely in a different spot from 04-05) for the 06 under dash fuse box.
Sort of like frankenstein, it could be made to work but for the headache of identifying and crossing everything over it's worth it to go with the 06 harnesses.
Now with the 06 harnesses it can all be lined up for the 06 ECM and your AT 06 fuse boxes are identical to the 06 MT fuse boxes. The interior fuse box, however, is different if compared to the 04-05 interior fuse box which is where the starter cut relay resides.
#168
That's correct, you have a weird situation with your harness.. since the 06 is wired like the 07-08 for the ECM, and you're using the 05 ECM.
So the pedal position switch should've been wired to the correct pin for the 05 ECM and the starter cut relay needed to be wired to the correct relay (that is likely in a different spot from 04-05) for the 06 under dash fuse box.
Sort of like frankenstein, it could be made to work but for the headache of identifying and crossing everything over it's worth it to go with the 06 harnesses.
Now with the 06 harnesses it can all be lined up for the 06 ECM and your AT 06 fuse boxes are identical to the 06 MT fuse boxes. The interior fuse box, however, is different if compared to the 04-05 interior fuse box which is where the starter cut relay resides.
So the pedal position switch should've been wired to the correct pin for the 05 ECM and the starter cut relay needed to be wired to the correct relay (that is likely in a different spot from 04-05) for the 06 under dash fuse box.
Sort of like frankenstein, it could be made to work but for the headache of identifying and crossing everything over it's worth it to go with the 06 harnesses.
Now with the 06 harnesses it can all be lined up for the 06 ECM and your AT 06 fuse boxes are identical to the 06 MT fuse boxes. The interior fuse box, however, is different if compared to the 04-05 interior fuse box which is where the starter cut relay resides.
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The ECM has the same signals on the same pins for 06-08
The ECM has the same signals on the same pins for 04-05, which are different from 06-08.
The dash and underhood fuse boxes are the same for 04-05
The underhood fuse box for 06 is the same as 04-05, but the under dash fuse box is unique to the 06 it has a different part number from all other 3G TLs from 04-08.
It's the reason that the underdash fuse box appears to be different from all other 3G TLs that I can not verify things, but it should be similar or identical to that of the 07-08 underdash fuse box. I would need a FSM specifically for the 2006 Acura TL in order to check for differences in schematics and I do not have one.
The 06 lines up more closely to the 07-08 model year.
Throw Navi into the mix and it changes more lol..
Last edited by mzilvar; 04-03-2014 at 11:18 PM.
#170
No, the 06 is sort of an oddball.
The ECM has the same signals on the same pins for 06-08
The ECM has the same signals on the same pins for 04-05, which are different from 06-08.
The dash and underhood fuse boxes are the same for 04-05
The underhood fuse box for 06 is the same as 04-05, but the under dash fuse box is unique to the 06 it has a different part number from all other 3G TLs from 04-08.
It's the reason that the underdash fuse box appears to be different from all other 3G TLs that I can not verify things, but it should be similar or identical to that of the 07-08 underdash fuse box. I would need a FSM specifically for the 2006 Acura TL in order to check for differences in schematics and I do not have one.
The 06 lines up more closely to the 07-08 model year.
Throw Navi into the mix and it changes more lol..
The ECM has the same signals on the same pins for 06-08
The ECM has the same signals on the same pins for 04-05, which are different from 06-08.
The dash and underhood fuse boxes are the same for 04-05
The underhood fuse box for 06 is the same as 04-05, but the under dash fuse box is unique to the 06 it has a different part number from all other 3G TLs from 04-08.
It's the reason that the underdash fuse box appears to be different from all other 3G TLs that I can not verify things, but it should be similar or identical to that of the 07-08 underdash fuse box. I would need a FSM specifically for the 2006 Acura TL in order to check for differences in schematics and I do not have one.
The 06 lines up more closely to the 07-08 model year.
Throw Navi into the mix and it changes more lol..
I was wondering if you'd like to look at them through my Honda express account and cross reference it. I just received the harness for engine and pcm so I'll have to re-wire the pedal soon.
Once this is all said and done I'll give you all the info I have and if you want you can write up a post so everyone can get to it as a source for future swaps.
#173
I'm halfway doing this swap with my best friend. We pulled the motor and transmission from the "donor" car. Just need to pull the motor transmission out of my car and swap everything over.
#175
I lucked out and bought a car that was wrecked for a $1000. The guy bought it to replace some body panels on his car. I made him an offer for than transmission and the black interior and he said he'd sell me the whole car.
#176
Does anyone have any pictures of how there wires are connected to the manual ecu? I swapped my auto ecu to my manual ecu. I also swapped the wiring harness that goes from the ecu to the engine wire harness. When I was hooking up the harnesses to the ecu only three of the harnesses hooked up. Did you guys use the dash instrumental harnesses as well? I read one the first page of this thread that the only wire harnesses needed were the engine wire harness and the ecu to engine wire harness.
#177
So we swapped everything over, put the key in and the car will turn on but will not start. We try to remove the key and it locks up and won't let me remove the key. We had someone come out to reprogram the key and it looks like it changes the program but when we go to start the car it resets. Any ideas as to what it could be?
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So we swapped everything over, put the key in and the car will turn on but will not start. We try to remove the key and it locks up and won't let me remove the key. We had someone come out to reprogram the key and it looks like it changes the program but when we go to start the car it resets. Any ideas as to what it could be?
Was the cylinder changed too? This statement doesn't make sense.
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I'm trying to follow everything - you swapped in a manual transmission and now have the manual ECU wired in. You said you had someone program the key - do you know what they did?
If you replaced the ECU, it requires a "replace ECU" command in the Immobilizer, nothing with the key. Just like when doing a hondata install.
edit: Doh - had it all typed up and got pulled away before hitting enter. Wasnt trying to repeat the same info KN.
If you replaced the ECU, it requires a "replace ECU" command in the Immobilizer, nothing with the key. Just like when doing a hondata install.
edit: Doh - had it all typed up and got pulled away before hitting enter. Wasnt trying to repeat the same info KN.
Last edited by screaminz28; 08-27-2014 at 11:27 PM. Reason: late
#180
Ok guys I'm the one helping Chrisokc install the manual trans swap.
We have installed the
mt6 ecu
Transmission
Engine/trans harness.
This car is a 06, but we have a 04 ecu and harness. I know they do have some differences In Pinouts.
I've followed the wiring diagrams and swapped some connector Pinouts. I believe they are all in correct spots. But i am going to double and triple check it this weekend.
I have wired the clutch neutral switch to the starter cut relay.
Are problem....
After we swapped from auto to manual. We cannot get the key to remove from the lock cylinder unless we disconnect the battery.does anyone know what I might be missing electrically so this will disengage the key on its own.no it is not a steering wheel bound up on the mechanism.
Do we need honda to program the immoblizer to the new mt ecu? So they will have correlating codes correct?
Thanks you !
We have installed the
mt6 ecu
Transmission
Engine/trans harness.
This car is a 06, but we have a 04 ecu and harness. I know they do have some differences In Pinouts.
I've followed the wiring diagrams and swapped some connector Pinouts. I believe they are all in correct spots. But i am going to double and triple check it this weekend.
I have wired the clutch neutral switch to the starter cut relay.
Are problem....
After we swapped from auto to manual. We cannot get the key to remove from the lock cylinder unless we disconnect the battery.does anyone know what I might be missing electrically so this will disengage the key on its own.no it is not a steering wheel bound up on the mechanism.
Do we need honda to program the immoblizer to the new mt ecu? So they will have correlating codes correct?
Thanks you !
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Ok guys I'm the one helping Chrisokc install the manual trans swap.
We have installed the
mt6 ecu
Transmission
Engine/trans harness.
This car is a 06, but we have a 04 ecu and harness. I know they do have some differences In Pinouts.
I've followed the wiring diagrams and swapped some connector Pinouts. I believe they are all in correct spots. But i am going to double and triple check it this weekend.
I have wired the clutch neutral switch to the starter cut relay.
Are problem....
After we swapped from auto to manual. We cannot get the key to remove from the lock cylinder unless we disconnect the battery.does anyone know what I might be missing electrically so this will disengage the key on its own.no it is not a steering wheel bound up on the mechanism.
Do we need honda to program the immoblizer to the new mt ecu? So they will have correlating codes correct?
Thanks you !
We have installed the
mt6 ecu
Transmission
Engine/trans harness.
This car is a 06, but we have a 04 ecu and harness. I know they do have some differences In Pinouts.
I've followed the wiring diagrams and swapped some connector Pinouts. I believe they are all in correct spots. But i am going to double and triple check it this weekend.
I have wired the clutch neutral switch to the starter cut relay.
Are problem....
After we swapped from auto to manual. We cannot get the key to remove from the lock cylinder unless we disconnect the battery.does anyone know what I might be missing electrically so this will disengage the key on its own.no it is not a steering wheel bound up on the mechanism.
Do we need honda to program the immoblizer to the new mt ecu? So they will have correlating codes correct?
Thanks you !
I was able to pair my 06 immobilizer to an 08 type s ecu. You could try going back to the original immobilizer/cylinder but in any case, you'll have to pair the immobilizer to the ecu. If you see a blinking green key while cranking, it's not going to start. I was able to do that part myself with an HIM. I was not able to program keys to the immobilizer.
#182
HIM? I assume a honda certified scan tool of some sort.
Ok I understand the immoblizer pairing to ecu situation. I assume it can only be done at the dealership?
I've tried to look over the wiring diagrams to find some sort of locking mechanism for the ignition switch. Maybe someone else might know...
Ok I understand the immoblizer pairing to ecu situation. I assume it can only be done at the dealership?
I've tried to look over the wiring diagrams to find some sort of locking mechanism for the ignition switch. Maybe someone else might know...
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Ok guys I'm the one helping Chrisokc install the manual trans swap.
We have installed the
mt6 ecu
Transmission
Engine/trans harness.
This car is a 06, but we have a 04 ecu and harness. I know they do have some differences In Pinouts.
I've followed the wiring diagrams and swapped some connector Pinouts. I believe they are all in correct spots. But i am going to double and triple check it this weekend.
I have wired the clutch neutral switch to the starter cut relay.
Are problem....
After we swapped from auto to manual. We cannot get the key to remove from the lock cylinder unless we disconnect the battery.does anyone know what I might be missing electrically so this will disengage the key on its own.no it is not a steering wheel bound up on the mechanism.
Do we need honda to program the immoblizer to the new mt ecu? So they will have correlating codes correct?
Thanks you !
We have installed the
mt6 ecu
Transmission
Engine/trans harness.
This car is a 06, but we have a 04 ecu and harness. I know they do have some differences In Pinouts.
I've followed the wiring diagrams and swapped some connector Pinouts. I believe they are all in correct spots. But i am going to double and triple check it this weekend.
I have wired the clutch neutral switch to the starter cut relay.
Are problem....
After we swapped from auto to manual. We cannot get the key to remove from the lock cylinder unless we disconnect the battery.does anyone know what I might be missing electrically so this will disengage the key on its own.no it is not a steering wheel bound up on the mechanism.
Do we need honda to program the immoblizer to the new mt ecu? So they will have correlating codes correct?
Thanks you !
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did you change anything from the wiring diagram that was posted?
Ok guys I'm the one helping Chrisokc install the manual trans swap.
We have installed the
mt6 ecu
Transmission
Engine/trans harness.
This car is a 06, but we have a 04 ecu and harness. I know they do have some differences In Pinouts.
I've followed the wiring diagrams and swapped some connector Pinouts. I believe they are all in correct spots. But i am going to double and triple check it this weekend.
I have wired the clutch neutral switch to the starter cut relay.
Are problem....
After we swapped from auto to manual. We cannot get the key to remove from the lock cylinder unless we disconnect the battery.does anyone know what I might be missing electrically so this will disengage the key on its own.no it is not a steering wheel bound up on the mechanism.
Do we need honda to program the immoblizer to the new mt ecu? So they will have correlating codes correct?
Thanks you !
We have installed the
mt6 ecu
Transmission
Engine/trans harness.
This car is a 06, but we have a 04 ecu and harness. I know they do have some differences In Pinouts.
I've followed the wiring diagrams and swapped some connector Pinouts. I believe they are all in correct spots. But i am going to double and triple check it this weekend.
I have wired the clutch neutral switch to the starter cut relay.
Are problem....
After we swapped from auto to manual. We cannot get the key to remove from the lock cylinder unless we disconnect the battery.does anyone know what I might be missing electrically so this will disengage the key on its own.no it is not a steering wheel bound up on the mechanism.
Do we need honda to program the immoblizer to the new mt ecu? So they will have correlating codes correct?
Thanks you !
#189
On Tuesday we are taking the TL too the dealership to have the sync between immobilizer and ecu. If it runs and drives the 06 has been successfully converted to 04. I'll post back the results
#191
Hey guys! new to AZ. sorry to rerevive and old thread, but ive got an 08 base 5AT tl and I have a complete 06 6mt doner car. my question is can I use all the parts from the 06 and have no issue. ill be doing the work myself since im a Honda tech just want to know if I swap the dash harness and engine harness and the 06 ecu will everything work?
thanks guys
thanks guys
#192
I want a black on black base 08 navi with 6mt
Is it possible to do this to a base 08. Not a huge fan of the type a platform I want to purchase an 08 base with nav and 6 mt or swap a 6mt into the base model. I feel like if the years match it should be easily achieved with a donor car. Does anyone know if this true. I could literally swap everything myself mounts acu complete harness and gauges I'm just seeing conflicting threads. One saying base 07 my doesn't exist and others saying bell housings dont match etc etc
#193
I want a black on black base 08 navi with 6mt
Is it possible to do this to a base 08. Not a huge fan of the type a platform I want to purchase an 08 base with nav and 6 mt or swap a 6mt into the base model. I feel like if the years match it should be easily achieved with a donor car. Does anyone know if this true. I could literally swap everything myself mounts ecu complete harness and gauges I'm just seeing conflicting threads. One saying base 07 my doesn't exist and others saying bell housings dont match etc etc
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First comment; bad idea. Why? First and foremost, cost and time/complexity.
If you still want to do this conversion, your best option would be to find a wrecked 2007-2008 TL Type-S and swap virtually everything even remotely related to the transmission, including, but not limited to:
If you still want to do this conversion, your best option would be to find a wrecked 2007-2008 TL Type-S and swap virtually everything even remotely related to the transmission, including, but not limited to:
- Bellhousing (yes, a Type-S bellhousing will fit a 2007-2008 base TL)
- Transmission
- All of the clutch linkage components and hydraulics (note, this will require some fab work on your part, how good are you at welding?)
- All of the shift linage components and interior console assemblies
- All of the wiring harnesses
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#197
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Understood, everyone here knows that already. The advice still holds, sell your car and buy a 2004-2006 manual or a 2007-2008 Type-S manual; either way it will cost you a LOT less money than trying, and most likely failing, to convert your car.
#198
it would seem you don't have any real advice. Having said that if the 08 Type S transmission bolts up to a 08 base engine that seems easy peasy anybody with a brain knows that you have to swap out harnesses and obviously clutch related components I was simply asking for confirmation of whether or not the manual and the automatic of the same year share the same bellhousing design so in short a donor car would be extremely cheap and reasonably obtainable. If not then day in a pull it yard would be even cheaper. So that being said why would I choose to sale a car at a loss for one that I don't like the trim level of for a greater cost?
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I answered all of your questions in my first response you. That said, the amount of work is way beyond what you *think* it is; hence the fact many folks here have tried, and as far as I know, only one has been completely successful, while there are as many as two others who have been partially successful; basically the engine and transmission work together, but there are numerous niggling electronic issues. You can throw all the shade you want on my responses to you, but the fact remains, if you are dumb enough to start this conversion, there is will over a 90% chance you will fail to have a completely functional car.
If you don't like my answers, fine, you can be like Trump and keep asking the question until someone decides to lie to you and tell you it is easy. I'm done here.
If you don't like my answers, fine, you can be like Trump and keep asking the question until someone decides to lie to you and tell you it is easy. I'm done here.
#200
I answered all of your questions in my first response you. That said, the amount of work is way beyond what you *think* it is; hence the fact many folks here have tried, and as far as I know, only one has been completely successful, while there are as many as two others who have been partially successful; basically the engine and transmission work together, but there are numerous niggling electronic issues. You can throw all the shade you want on my responses to you, but the fact remains, if you are dumb enough to start this conversion, there is will over a 90% chance you will fail to have a completely functional car.
If you don't like my answers, fine, you can be like Trump and keep asking the question until someone decides to lie to you and tell you it is easy. I'm done here.
If you don't like my answers, fine, you can be like Trump and keep asking the question until someone decides to lie to you and tell you it is easy. I'm done here.