libert69

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This is what ive come up with for parts. Anything else?

tranny
clutch
flywheel
ecu
engine harness
master cylinder
slave cylinder
clutch lines
clutch pedal
brake pedal
shift cables
center console/bezel/boot/knob
shift lever
clutch resevior
tranny mounts
Speedo cluster
axles (but ive been told the auto axels will work with m/t)

TheChamp531

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Starter?
M/T dash (combination meter assembly)
engine mount brackets
instrumental panel harness

I would call Paul to make sure you have the right items. He has done over 4-5 conversion himself. He knows everything about the J32, and I mean everything.

Also what year M/T are you getting this from? I think you're getting this from Bruce (AckTL) from the previous thread.

handsom-hustla

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sounds like you pretty much have everything. maybe a few misc items. the AT axles worked with my swap. GL

libert69

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forgot about the starter

curious about the engine mount brackets. Why are the brackets different from auto to manual when you can buy aftermarket mounts (innovative/xlr8) and those fit both auto and manual?

Yes I got the trans from Ack. He said it was from an 05.

Im getting the oem ecu from the 05 manual to see if it will work in my 04. Even though the oem ecu part numbers are different from 04 to 05

good to know

swoosh

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a.patel

i was surprised when the stock automatic starter didnt fit it today lol.. good thing i had a spare engine to switch it from

cokorote

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Hehehe 2 azine member are doing the swap as far I know, amazing. Im in.

AtlM5

Im pretty sure the 04 6mt ecu had a little more timing which would explain the different part numbers...and when you oreder the AM engine mounts I think one of them is different for the manuals

a.patel

The guy in philly I bought the engine from had another TL-S engine for sale that he pulled out from a wrecked 2007 tl-s. He mixed up the TL-s and the 2006 manual 6spd ECU's and now i am stuck with the TL-s (automatic) ecu. He said he will be sending me the 6spd ecu so in the mean time, we're gonna try wiring up to the TL-s ecu.

libert get one of these 4-6 puck clutches to avoid slipping your clutch since youre boosted
http://clutchnet.com/clutches/browse...h-discs?sef=hc

libert69

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Yes thats true regarding the timing curve. I was more concerned with an extra pin/connector or something like that.

However, Im now told by the seller of the trans that the ecu and tranny was in fact taken from an 04 TL. One more potential problem eliminated.

Innovative mounts are the same for auto and manual. Another reason why I dont understand how the brackets on the motor could be different from auto to manual

libert69

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I bought JandR's tilton twin disk already

Inaccurate

Bert,

Please see page 1 of the thread linked below. This topic is heavily discussed on page 1 (and perhaps further pages).

XLR8 Engine Torque Damper: 04-08 TL Manual (click here)

Inaccurate

Bert,

I am sure that you have been using the search feature, but I wanted to include the link below in case you missed it. Be sure to search the Second Gen subforum too.

Also, please note post #17 of that thread. You need to see if this is true with the Third Gen like it was with the Second Gen.

On post #21, there is a compiled list of parts (for Second Gen).

fsttyms1's 6 Speed conversion (click here)

libert69

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Great find Inaccurate

Since I dont plan on installing the tq damper, I can keep my auto motor mount bracket. With 95a bushings, imo that tq damper is not going to help anymore

I read this post about the swap a few times. The front and rear cam/timing belt pulley's are the same part number for auto and mt on the 04. Im still looking for the backing plate but if the pulleys are the same then the backing plate should be the same as well.

libert69

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timing belt covers/plates all have the same part numbers

Inaccurate

I agree.

winkyyy

You might want to look into getting that LSD from the MT models if you are interested.

Fatfrii

this thread is the motherload! hopefully soon i will be doing the conversion as well (actually my friend will be doing most of the work haha) thanx for all the info hope you guys post more!!! ill be checking this daily (AZ>facebook) even though i dont have a facebook

libert69

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Hmmm educate me on the lsd. If im buying (or bought already for that matter) a used 6spd trans, isnt the lsd already a part of the tranny? What else is needed?

libert69

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I pretty much compared every section on acuraoemparts for the 2004 5at and 6mt side by side. These are some of different parts I found besides the ones already listed

"control unit (cabin)" #12 39794-S10-003 RELAY ASSY., POWER (5P) (MICRO ISO) (MITSUBA) **ONLY IN AUTO** - not sure what this is for

"water pump" #12 32748-RCA-A00 STAY H, ENGINE HARNESS **ONLY IN MT** - looks pretty useless lol

"front/rear beam" #20 50680-SEP-A10 BRACKET, RR. ENGINE MOUNTING BASE 61.59 MT - ONLY NEEDED IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE THE TORQUE DAMPER

"wire harness" #3 32112-RDA-A00 SUB-WIRE, ENGINE CONTROL MODULE 98.27 MT

"wire harness" #4 32117-SEP-A10 WIRE HARNESS, INSTRUMENT 586.44 MT

"wire harness" #5 32120-SEP-A20 WIRE HARNESS, CABIN 244.52 MT


Dont get these 3 harnesses confused with the actual engine wire harness. There is a different section listed as "ENGINE WIRE HARNESS" that has that particular harness

We are going to try and use the 5at's instrument and cabin harness in my swap and see if they work first....unless someone with experience can say otherwise

winkyyy

I don't know all about the parts and stuff. I just know the MT models had an LSD. lol. maybe someone else can chime in?

Fatfrii

This is looking more and more like the go to thread for AT/MT swap info. Keep up the good work libert. Hopefully Paul (NVA-AV6) will chime in soon. he has done this a few times i think. I really want to see a complete parts list so i can get my "scavenger pro" perk on

one thing i would like to comment on is the engine mounts and tranny mounts...keep in mind that the manual transmission is a lot smaller and lighter than the automatic

KN_TL

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I'm not sure why you would think a complete 6MT would not have the lsd already installed.....

Haven't seen Paul around here for a long time although he does log in according to his profile.

NVA-AV6

No, I'm around, just very busy. You DO NOT NEED any wire harnesses other than the engine and engine to ecu harnesses. If the person doing your swap is good he should be able to figure out the wiring changes for starter interlock and reverse lights. I am now up to 12+ AT/MT swaps in 3rd gen TLs and 7th gen AV6. It isn't terribly difficult with a good mechanic used to doing swaps doing the work.

TLove It!

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libert, it might be worth asking NVA-AV6 if he'd do the swap for you. You know it would be done right

Fatfrii

ill be ur best friend if u give us a parts list

libert69

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agreed on the smaller and lighter mt... but what does that have to do with engine and trans mounts?

libert69

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is the "engine to ecu harness" #3 in this pic?

NVA-AV6

Yes

Fatfrii

^
which one in that diagram is the engine harness? #4?
im assuming the AT and MT have different strengths so it might be worth it to switch over the MT engine mounts if u have a car to strip from...not sure if it is necessary but i just wanted to point it out so u can have it in mind. U make the call bud i dont have experience with this sort of thing

a.patel

you just need new brackets for the manual transmission. im sure you can reuse the stock one with minor mods lol i havent bought any mounts yet either. i might just use a torque damper to mount to from the transmission to the chassis.

a.patel

the parts list that libert put together is pretty much on point. get the starter from another manual TL. LSD should already be in the transmission since all 6mt engines come with it as a part of their standard manual package

Fatfrii

im just waiting till some one asks a serious question about the LSD lol its bound to happen

libert69

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engine harness is not in that pic. this is the engine harness



lets get the terminology straight so everyone can understand

The actual engine mounts are different from a part number standpoint from MT to AT. Whether or not the physical mounts are stronger in the MT or AT is unknown. If you are using after market mounts (which you should be), then this is irrelevant.

The rear engine mount bracket is different from MT to AT b.c the MT engine mount bracket is designed to accommodate the torque damper. The rear engine mount bracket on the MT and AT use the same size bolts to secure it to the engine. They also use the same number of bolts to secure it.

The front engine mount bracket is different from MT to AT b.c the AT front bracket has an additional bolt on the side of it in order to attach the oxygen sensor bracket. Once again, the front engine mount bracket on the MT and AT use the same size bolts to secure it to the engine. They also use the same number of bolts to secure it.

The side engine mount bracket is the SAME for MT and AT.

Bottomline, if you want to use the torque damper then install the MT rear engine mount bracket. Otherwise there is no difference

Fatfrii

tranny
clutch
flywheel
flywheel bolts
ecu
engine harness
engine to ecu harness
master cylinder
slave cylinder
clutch lines
clutch pedal
brake pedal
shift cables
shift lever + accessories
clutch reservoir
tranny mounts
Speedo cluster
starter

looks good?

Fatfrii

hows the swap coming along?

libert69

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Its moving. Biggest wait is the clutch since it takes 4-6 weeks to make. This is a 2004 parts list I put together for all the little things that I still need to buy so ill share it

This list does not include part numbers for the starter, speedo cluster, clutch/brake pedal, center console/bezel/shift boot, ecu, clutch and trans b/c I bought those already.

*you dont actually need the whole center console. Just the silver trim/bezel and boot*


# PART # TYPE QTY YR PRICE
Trans Mounts
007 50670-SDP-A11 BRACKET, TRANSMISSION MOUNT (UPPER) 001 2004 32.80
022 50850-SEP-A12 RUBBER, FR. TRANSMISSION MOUNTING 001 2004 36.41
023 50860-SEP-A12 RUBBER, RR. TRANSMISSION MOUNTING (MT) 001 2004 84.14
070 95701-12065-08 BOLT, FLANGE (12X65) 002 2004 1.55 (side trans mount bolt)
049 90167-SCV-A01 BOLT, FLANGE (10X97) 001 2004 1.07 (lower RR trans mount bolt)
051 90167-SEP-A10 BOLT, FLANGE (10X75) 001 2004 1.33 (lower RR trans mount bolt)
067 95701-10020-08 BOLT, FLANGE (10X20) 001 2004 0.77 (lower FR trans mount bolt)
069 95701-10065-08 BOLT, FLANGE (10X65) 001 2004 1.18 (lower FR trans mount bolt)



Clutch Master Cylinder/Slave Cylinder
001 17116-PWA-000 COLLAR, ENGINE COVER 002 2004 1.55
002 21724-RAY-000 RUBBER, POSITION SENSOR COVER 002 2004 3.10
006 46911-S70-003 PIN, LOCK (8MM) 001 2004 1.74
007 46912-S84-A00 PIN, CLUTCH PEDAL 001 2004 2.25
008 46920-S7A-A03 MASTER CYLINDER ASSY., CLUTCH 001 2004 99.26
010 46930-S3M-A01 CYLINDER ASSY., SLAVE 001 2004 6.43
012 46941-S5A-003 CONNECTOR, CLUTCH MAST CYLINDER 002 2004 7.31
013 46942-S5A-003 PIN, SNAP 001 2004 2.35
016 46960-SDA-A04 PIPE A, CLUTCH 001 2004 9.02
***017 LEFT OUT B/C IM USING THE SS LINE FROM HEELTOE***
018 46962-SDA-A01 RUBBER, PIPE 002 2004 2.42
019 46965-S6A-013 TANK ASSY., CLUTCH FLUID 001 2004 35.65
020 46966-SDA-A02 HOLDER, TANK 001 2004 5.54
021 46968-SDP-A04 BRACKET B, CLUTCH PIPE 001 2004 9.30
022 46970-SDP-A01 PIPE B, CLUTCH 001 2004 4.50
023 46971-SDA-A01 TUBE, CLUTCH FLUID 001 2004 4.79
024 46972-S6F-E01 CLAMP, TUBE (D12) 002 2004 17.84
025 46977-SDP-A01 CLAMP, CLUTCH PIPE 001 2004 2.94
026 46995-SDA-A02 BRACKET A, CLUTCH PIPE 001 2004 11.03
027 90001-P7J-000 BOLT, SPECIAL (6X25) 002 2004 1.05
028 90106-S7A-E00 BOLT, FLANGE (8X30) 002 2004 1.59
029 90651-538-000 CLIP, BRAKE HOSE 002 2004 3.06
030 90658-759-003 CLIP, TUBE (12MM) 002 2004 2.13
031 93403-06012-08 BOLT-WASHER (6X12) 001 2004 0.70
032 93403-06016-08 BOLT-WASHER (6X16) 001 2004 0.65
033 94050-08080 NUT, FLANGE (8MM) 002 2004 0.19


Shifter Cables
001 24600-PYZ-000 STAY, CHANGE WIRE 001 2004 48.98
002 32744-RCA-A00 STAY D, ENGINE HARNESS 001 2004 5.25
005 54117-S30-003 RUBBER, FLOATING 004 2004 2.72
006 54118-S10-000 WASHER ASSY., WIRE 001 2004 1.91
007 54119-SDA-A01 COLLAR, FLOATING 004 2004 1.49
008 54310-SDP-L02 WIRE, CHANGE 001 2004 98.45
009 54357-SF1-003 PLATE, CHANGE WIRE 003 2004 3.44
010 90557-SF1-010 WASHER A (1.6MM) 001 2004 1.97
011 90558-SF1-000 WASHER B, SELECT WIRE (0.5MM) 001 2004 1.45
012 90555-SF1-000 WASHER A, SHIFT WIRE (1.6MM) 001 2004 1.97
013 90556-SF1-000 WASHER B, SHIFT WIRE (0.5MM) 001 2004 1.45
014 93405-08035-08 BOLT-WASHER (8X35) 004 2004 0.99
016 94201-20350 PIN, SPLIT (2.0X35) 002 2004 0.53
017 95701-06012-08 BOLT, FLANGE (6X12) 002 2004 0.66
018 95701-06016-08 BOLT, FLANGE (6X16) 002 2004 0.56
019 95701-08035-08 BOLT, FLANGE (8X35) 001 2004 0.25
020 95701-08055-08 BOLT, FLANGE (8X55) 002 2004 0.90



Clutch
006 90011-PGE-000 BOLT (12MM) 008 2004 2.22
007 90034-PRC-000 BOLT,12POINT 8MM 006 2004 2.22
008 91006-PGE-008 BEARING, PILOT 001 2004 28.07

Wire harness for ECU
003 32112-RDA-A00 SUB-WIRE, ENGINE CONTROL MODULE 001 2004 98.27

Engine Wire Harness
002 32110-RDA-A00 WIRE HARNESS, ENGINE 001 2004 227.72

NVA-AV6

You also do not need the cluster, the AT indicators would just be dead.

libert69

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^agreed. But you can find cheap mt clusters from ebay for 80$ if you want to complete the look.

Fatfrii

wow you bought all these parts new instead of looking for them??? how much did that run you?

and this thread should DEFENITLY BE GARAGED!