You might be swayed by the small range on the Y axis. I have read other manufacturers claim a 'flat' curve with a statement like 90% of power is at xxx. Well, for the TL, 90% is about 195 lb/ft. This is around 2500 RPM. So it might be 'flat' in thier eyes.

 

Actually it's smooth...it's just posted on an exaggerated scale.

 

ah you're right, i should have paid more attention to the scale. i think the old type-S engine claimed peak torque from 2500-5000 (or something along those lines) though, not just 90%. has acura issued a statement for the torque on the 04?

 

It is rated at 238 lb ft of tq @ 5000 rpm.

 

Steve, you are a crackhead.

that Dyno is from my car, it's not a 6spd, it's an auto.

that's why there's the torque spike early in the graph, its the TC locking up. LOL

 

Actually, it's EricS's dyno. Not yours. For some reason I put your name on it, but it's most definitely a 6spd CL-S dyno. I remember he faxed it to you and then you posted and I guess I thought it was yours when I was browsing through. My bad.

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=69991

A-CL.com Link: http://photos.imageevent.com/astrobo...ge/6spdyno.jpg
My Link: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevte...k_Astroboy.jpg

Look familiar?

Fixed: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/stevte...tock_EricS.jpg

All the other CL-S6 dynos show the engine making peak torque very early in the low-end before the manifold switchover also.

 

Vtec.net already turned nearly a 14 even in a 6MT 04 TL with 2000 miles on it. With 10k and better weather the car will break into the 13's with the right driver. If you don't believe that the 6MT is significantly faster then the AT5 race one and watch his tail lights for your answer.

 

i for 1 drove both cars back to back before i bought my 6 speed i was not impressed buy the auto at all. i had a cl type s auto that would of blown the doors off the tl auto now the 6 peed was a different story, after i backed in the auto i jumped right into the speed and MAN WHAT A DIFFERENCE i bought the car after that i was not trading in my cls for the auto tl because my cls was better. i will say the 04 tl is faster than the 03 tls becuase of the simple factor weight on a 03 was more

 

Well, I just got the car re-dyno'd and it came in at 250.7 WHP and 228.6 lb-ft Torque. This is with the mods mentioned in my signature. Again, it was dyno'd on a Dynapack. I gained approx. 20 WHP and 19lb-ft Torque. Not too bad at all!

 

That pretty impressive number. I know that most Auto 350Z's dyno at 220HP -235HP (stock) and 6spd ususally dyno around 230HP - 245HP (stock).

350Z is rated at 287HP & TL rating 270HP. Those numbers are pretty high.

Anyway, congrats.

 

Again, these are on a Dynapack, which typically has higher readings than others. What's important are not the eactual numbers, but the gains. After AEM CAI and Custom Exhaust (no Cats were removed), the following readings were taken:


250.9 Horsepower (Max - SAE) @ 6299 RPM
228.6 lb-ft Torque (Max - SAE) @ 5118 RPM

Gains (over stock) are:
19.7 HP
18.6 lb-ft

 

those are some pretty nice numbers, what are the track times for the car?

 

I've never tracked it. One of these days I'll bring it down.

 

Those are some bad ass numbers for the TL.

 

Thanks...

To give you guys an idea of how other cars, like the G35, do on the Dynapack, take a look at the following link:
http://clint.gurgen.com/G35/2004.09....9_04_2004.html

Most of the G35's (w/o ECU mods) were in the 240hp to 250hp range.

 

Question,
Does the same engine in a front wheel drive car put less to the wheels compared to being in a rear wheel drive car ? Same engine ?

 

With all other things being equal (which they usually aren't), I think it's actually the othre way around, since you don't have to turn a long axle to the rear wheels, and such. I think the difference is negligable tho. something like maybe 15% parasitic loss on FWD compaed to 17% on RWD, or something like that.

 

I debated between a 350Z and a TL for months!! I know they are completly different cars, but i don't have kids yet, and i figured a 350Z would be sweet to own.... I test drove it 3 times.... But, i just couldnt justify it when it wasnt all that much faster, and so much "less" car than a TL... and not nearly as nice. Btw, it is VERY rare for a stock 350Z to dyno any higher than 235ish, during all my time on the 350Z boards, i dont ever remember seeing one as high as 250, almost all of them were 225-235 range.

 

well it depends, the 350Z is rated at 287 and theoritically should dyno in 244hp with 15% loss at the drivetrain. the G coupe is suppose to be rated at 298hp so getting 250 on a stock dyno run sounds about right. also if the 350Z was an auto it will have more power loss and dyno in closer to the 225-235 range.

 

That is on a dynojet which dynos lower than a dyno pack. That is also the 287hp version...the new ones dyno around 245hp on a dynojet so the 300hp is pretty accurate for the new ones. On a dynojet, I've seen about 5-10hp less for a TL vs a 280hp G-coupe so both cars are probably making the advertised hp.

 

231 Horsepower (Max - SAE) @ 6321 RPM
210 lb-ft Torque (Max - SAE) @ 5303 RPM

that looks about right... That's the most I have seen from the TL without a supercharger.

 

i dont know man...I had a 98 m3 before and after i bought my TL i went to a nissan dealership and test drove the 350z 300 hp version. I was pretty impressed with it. It felt just as fast as my m3 off the line but the hanlding was even better. I think they are legimately nice cars but too many cocky suckers drive them. They are not as fast as they look. Still nice looking car.

 

Not sure if you guys have seen this articleDYNO DASH 350Z but it compares the different dynos and their readings the test vehicle was a 350Z.

In summary:
Turbo Magazine Dyno Dash Comparison Chart
Dyno HP TQ
Dynapack 249.4 242.8
DTS 257.6 556.5*
Dynojet (Win) 235.8 227.8
Dynojet (DOS) 243.7 237.2
Clayton 265.7 240.6
Super Flow 228.9 226.6
*measured at roller without accounting for gear reduction

 

so how much would it be on a dynojet?

now imagine with headers.... On the dynapack it would put you around 275-280.. wow.....I guess on dynojet it would put you around.. 250-60whp??

 

I don't think you can put headers on the new J32.

 

Just to make sure I (we) didn't miss this, are the dyno results WITH the CAI and exhaust upgrades (as listed below in your post) installed?

 

That's correct.