07 tl at with nos?
07 tl at with nos?
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From: Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Originally Posted by 06 Acura TL
dont do it..lol not worth it. i have had nos my cars before (no my TL) but they were modified. the TL's comp. wont be able to acomidate NOS, so something bad is bound to happen
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OK lets talk facts,
NOS will not hurt the motor if set-up properly. Engine issues "will" happen when you attempt (usually accidentally) to lean it out too far or exceed the robustness of the "lower-end". As with any engine mod, if you don't know what you're doing, don't do it.
NOS would work on the TL but I speculate that anything more than a 50-75 HP shot would have no noticeable effect - the engine would not be able to accommodate - IE, mechanically it may accommodate yet it just wouldn't flow the additional air/fuel properly to produce any more HP.
I ran a 275-300HP cheater system on a Rat Chevy sleeper for numerous years with absolutely no ill effects. But when I did use it I ran 114 octane gas and the NOS system was plumbed with a second, dedicated fuel delivery system capable of max GPM ensuring a "lean" issue would never happen. I even had it wired were if fuel pressure dropped below 8 psi the NOS would not activate. As one girl stated: "It was an orgasmic ride......"
Big picture, It just has to be set up right.
Also, NOS works outstanding on an engine that has "head-room". Many stock engines given "street/driveability-design, just don't produce the the typical NOS effect. But in many applications, it is by far the best/least expensive "bolt-on" HP.
Have fun yet be safe
NOS will not hurt the motor if set-up properly. Engine issues "will" happen when you attempt (usually accidentally) to lean it out too far or exceed the robustness of the "lower-end". As with any engine mod, if you don't know what you're doing, don't do it.
NOS would work on the TL but I speculate that anything more than a 50-75 HP shot would have no noticeable effect - the engine would not be able to accommodate - IE, mechanically it may accommodate yet it just wouldn't flow the additional air/fuel properly to produce any more HP.
I ran a 275-300HP cheater system on a Rat Chevy sleeper for numerous years with absolutely no ill effects. But when I did use it I ran 114 octane gas and the NOS system was plumbed with a second, dedicated fuel delivery system capable of max GPM ensuring a "lean" issue would never happen. I even had it wired were if fuel pressure dropped below 8 psi the NOS would not activate. As one girl stated: "It was an orgasmic ride......"
Big picture, It just has to be set up right.
Also, NOS works outstanding on an engine that has "head-room". Many stock engines given "street/driveability-design, just don't produce the the typical NOS effect. But in many applications, it is by far the best/least expensive "bolt-on" HP.
Have fun yet be safe
^^ How would u get over the Drive by wire on the TL? Dont u need to be at full throtle when u spray? Sometimes the drive by wire will stop accelerating if you somehow lose traction. Wouldnt that be bad for the engine?
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Originally Posted by juruki
^^ How would u get over the Drive by wire on the TL? Dont u need to be at full throtle when u spray? Sometimes the drive by wire will stop accelerating if you somehow lose traction. Wouldnt that be bad for the engine?
On the TL, I would probably wire the system so that when the NOS system was "active/powered", the VSA was deactivated to preclude any computer actions if you lost traction. Be nice to actually have a way to just kill the traction control portion and not the entire stability assist as well....
As for the WOT switch, if you couldn't mod a switch on the throttle body a gas peddle switch could always be fabricated.. Or you could just push a button yourself once at WOT etc...
Good thinking - Definitely key points to consider with the TL.
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You can run a 50 shot on just about anything bone stock (except maybe like a Hyundai...). I ran 80 shot on an Accord FOREVER with no engine mods except bolt ons. Engine never even flinched, (tranny however did....goodbye 2nd gear).
Just supercharge it and call it good.
Just supercharge it and call it good.
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty
OK lets talk facts,
NOS will not hurt the motor if set-up properly. Engine issues "will" happen when you attempt (usually accidentally) to lean it out too far or exceed the robustness of the "lower-end". As with any engine mod, if you don't know what you're doing, don't do it.
NOS would work on the TL but I speculate that anything more than a 50-75 HP shot would have no noticeable effect - the engine would not be able to accommodate - IE, mechanically it may accommodate yet it just wouldn't flow the additional air/fuel properly to produce any more HP.
I ran a 275-300HP cheater system on a Rat Chevy sleeper for numerous years with absolutely no ill effects. But when I did use it I ran 114 octane gas and the NOS system was plumbed with a second, dedicated fuel delivery system capable of max GPM ensuring a "lean" issue would never happen. I even had it wired were if fuel pressure dropped below 8 psi the NOS would not activate. As one girl stated: "It was an orgasmic ride......"
Big picture, It just has to be set up right.
Also, NOS works outstanding on an engine that has "head-room". Many stock engines given "street/driveability-design, just don't produce the the typical NOS effect. But in many applications, it is by far the best/least expensive "bolt-on" HP.
Have fun yet be safe
NOS will not hurt the motor if set-up properly. Engine issues "will" happen when you attempt (usually accidentally) to lean it out too far or exceed the robustness of the "lower-end". As with any engine mod, if you don't know what you're doing, don't do it.
NOS would work on the TL but I speculate that anything more than a 50-75 HP shot would have no noticeable effect - the engine would not be able to accommodate - IE, mechanically it may accommodate yet it just wouldn't flow the additional air/fuel properly to produce any more HP.
I ran a 275-300HP cheater system on a Rat Chevy sleeper for numerous years with absolutely no ill effects. But when I did use it I ran 114 octane gas and the NOS system was plumbed with a second, dedicated fuel delivery system capable of max GPM ensuring a "lean" issue would never happen. I even had it wired were if fuel pressure dropped below 8 psi the NOS would not activate. As one girl stated: "It was an orgasmic ride......"
Big picture, It just has to be set up right.
Also, NOS works outstanding on an engine that has "head-room". Many stock engines given "street/driveability-design, just don't produce the the typical NOS effect. But in many applications, it is by far the best/least expensive "bolt-on" HP.
Have fun yet be safe
ALso keep in mind... most Acura owners are not running c-16 gas. On a built motor when nitrious is properly installed it is insane.. i agree. But i think adding any shot to an Acura will have lots term effects on the motor... depending on how many times they use the system is obviously also a factor
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Originally Posted by E-luzion
Sorry KJ...i have to disagree with you. Eventhough a motor may appear to run fine, NOS does internal damage if the engine is not setup for NOS, i.e. nitrious pistons and so on. I used to own a lightning. many people that had properly tuned motors ran 50-75 shots. The engines ran fine. Once people torn the motors down, they saw the damage that was caused by the NOS.. rings seals, pistons.
ALso keep in mind... most Acura owners are not running c-16 gas. On a built motor when nitrious is properly installed it is insane.. i agree. But i think adding any shot to an Acura will have lots term effects on the motor... depending on how many times they use the system is obviously also a factor
ALso keep in mind... most Acura owners are not running c-16 gas. On a built motor when nitrious is properly installed it is insane.. i agree. But i think adding any shot to an Acura will have lots term effects on the motor... depending on how many times they use the system is obviously also a factor
However, NOS is no different than an SC or Turbo. You're just gaining the additional compression/air volume via chemical vs mechanical.
- Rings will suffer from the additional compression/load, but if your looking for a 50+ HP gain that will happen regardless.
- Seals??? NOS really has no effect. (Or were you talking gaskets, like head-gaskets?)
- Pistons: here again, if the mixture is right and your timing/octane is adequate, the pistons would show no adverse affects. We ran NOS on several stock "cast" piston engines without any issues.
I ran 114 octane in mine due to an overall total timing setting of 38 degrees BTDC.. Given my LS6's 10:1 compression ratio and cam, 38 degrees was fine with 87 octane any given day. But if you tapped the NOS with 87 octane, the pistons would turn into eggs of melted aluminum
But remember, I was running a 275HP+ shot - not a 50 etc... I'll admit E-luzion , I'm a fan of NOS given the right application and setup. It's cheap HP and requires no loss of HP from the motor to gain HP, unlike an SC etc.. Filling the bottle every 120 seconds of use however, is a negative.... :-) And I do agree, engine damage can occur if fuel management as well as octane/timing are not monitored properly.
By the way.... You guys need to stop all this HP/NOS talk!! I sold my last beast back in the mid 90's. You're making me want to build another..... I've had my eye on one of those 572 CI / 720HP crate motors from GM for a while now....
Cheers
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First of all, "NOS" is a brand. Nitrous Oxide Systems. Not trying to be an ass, just correcting false names and it's also a pet peeve. Nitrous, or NOx would be the correct name to use when talking about nitrous in general.
I wouldn't do nitrous on the TL. The compression is too high. You could do just a 50 shot. You would have to get a good tune, though.
About the drive by wire, just use a switch for the nitrous solenoid that trips at whatever the DBW full throttle voltage is.
And I highly doubt the TL has forged pistons. Probably hyperuetectic(sp?) cast.
I wouldn't do nitrous on the TL. The compression is too high. You could do just a 50 shot. You would have to get a good tune, though.
About the drive by wire, just use a switch for the nitrous solenoid that trips at whatever the DBW full throttle voltage is.
And I highly doubt the TL has forged pistons. Probably hyperuetectic(sp?) cast.
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty
I can definitely relate - my "NOS clan" had NOS growing pains as well,,
However, NOS is no different than an SC or Turbo. You're just gaining the additional compression/air volume via chemical vs mechanical.
- Rings will suffer from the additional compression/load, but if your looking for a 50+ HP gain that will happen regardless.
- Seals??? NOS really has no effect. (Or were you talking gaskets, like head-gaskets?)
- Pistons: here again, if the mixture is right and your timing/octane is adequate, the pistons would show no adverse affects. We ran NOS on several stock "cast" piston engines without any issues.
I ran 114 octane in mine due to an overall total timing setting of 38 degrees BTDC.. Given my LS6's 10:1 compression ratio and cam, 38 degrees was fine with 87 octane any given day. But if you tapped the NOS with 87 octane, the pistons would turn into eggs of melted aluminum But remember, I was running a 275HP+ shot - not a 50 etc...
I'll admit E-luzion , I'm a fan of NOS given the right application and setup. It's cheap HP and requires no loss of HP from the motor to gain HP, unlike an SC etc.. Filling the bottle every 120 seconds of use however, is a negative.... :-) And I do agree, engine damage can occur if fuel management as well as octane/timing are not monitored properly.
By the way.... You guys need to stop all this HP/NOS talk!! I sold my last beast back in the mid 90's. You're making me want to build another..... I've had my eye on one of those 572 CI / 720HP crate motors from GM for a while now....
Cheers
However, NOS is no different than an SC or Turbo. You're just gaining the additional compression/air volume via chemical vs mechanical.
- Rings will suffer from the additional compression/load, but if your looking for a 50+ HP gain that will happen regardless.
- Seals??? NOS really has no effect. (Or were you talking gaskets, like head-gaskets?)
- Pistons: here again, if the mixture is right and your timing/octane is adequate, the pistons would show no adverse affects. We ran NOS on several stock "cast" piston engines without any issues.
I ran 114 octane in mine due to an overall total timing setting of 38 degrees BTDC.. Given my LS6's 10:1 compression ratio and cam, 38 degrees was fine with 87 octane any given day. But if you tapped the NOS with 87 octane, the pistons would turn into eggs of melted aluminum
But remember, I was running a 275HP+ shot - not a 50 etc... I'll admit E-luzion , I'm a fan of NOS given the right application and setup. It's cheap HP and requires no loss of HP from the motor to gain HP, unlike an SC etc.. Filling the bottle every 120 seconds of use however, is a negative.... :-) And I do agree, engine damage can occur if fuel management as well as octane/timing are not monitored properly.
By the way.... You guys need to stop all this HP/NOS talk!! I sold my last beast back in the mid 90's. You're making me want to build another..... I've had my eye on one of those 572 CI / 720HP crate motors from GM for a while now....
Cheers
It's refreshing to know that people out there know how to use nitrous, properly.
I've got a '68 Camaro Z/28 w/ a 383 on juice. You should get back into it!
i have and 02 type s and im running a 100 shot. ive got the zex nitrous system and it activates at wot by tapping into the tps and an on and off switch. i started with a 50 shot but now i ended up at 100. its hard to keep ur foot of the gas with it activated
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Originally Posted by awilson529
First of all, "NOS" is a brand. Nitrous Oxide Systems. Not trying to be an ass, just correcting false names and it's also a pet peeve. Nitrous, or NOx would be the correct name to use when talking about nitrous in general.
Good point,
I still refer to it as "NOS" that was the "brand/system" that we ran exclusively back in the 90's.. Besides, that's who started it all...
I would also agree that the TL has cast vs forged pistons
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Originally Posted by awilson529
First of all, "NOS" is a brand. Nitrous Oxide Systems. Not trying to be an ass, just correcting false names and it's also a pet peeve. Nitrous, or NOx would be the correct name to use when talking about nitrous in general.
I wouldn't do nitrous on the TL. The compression is too high. You could do just a 50 shot. You would have to get a good tune, though.
About the drive by wire, just use a switch for the nitrous solenoid that trips at whatever the DBW full throttle voltage is.
And I highly doubt the TL has forged pistons. Probably hyperuetectic(sp?) cast.
I wouldn't do nitrous on the TL. The compression is too high. You could do just a 50 shot. You would have to get a good tune, though.
About the drive by wire, just use a switch for the nitrous solenoid that trips at whatever the DBW full throttle voltage is.
And I highly doubt the TL has forged pistons. Probably hyperuetectic(sp?) cast.
I was referring to a Nitrious oxide system... dont care what the name of the system is.. but the general sense of "a system"
Ironcially NOS and N.O.S. can have the same meaning in the literal sense.
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You can get around the DBW system by using a kit similar to the ZEX system. It hooks into the TPS sensor to dectect wide open throttle. I have installed their kits in several 350Z's which have DBW throttles. If you are serious about using nitrous, I would stay at or below a 50 hp "shot", since you are completely stock. All "systems" or kits come with some means of richening the a/f mixture when the nitrous is injected. A wet kit does this by injecting fuel along with the nitrous at the jet, a dry system does this by adjusting the fuel pressure when the nitrous is injected. Just do some research and use your head.
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Originally Posted by awilson529
First of all, "NOS" is a brand. Nitrous Oxide Systems. Not trying to be an ass, just correcting false names and it's also a pet peeve. Nitrous, or NOx would be the correct name to use when talking about nitrous in general.
I wouldn't do nitrous on the TL. The compression is too high. You could do just a 50 shot. You would have to get a good tune, though.
About the drive by wire, just use a switch for the nitrous solenoid that trips at whatever the DBW full throttle voltage is.
And I highly doubt the TL has forged pistons. Probably hyperuetectic(sp?) cast.
I wouldn't do nitrous on the TL. The compression is too high. You could do just a 50 shot. You would have to get a good tune, though.
About the drive by wire, just use a switch for the nitrous solenoid that trips at whatever the DBW full throttle voltage is.
And I highly doubt the TL has forged pistons. Probably hyperuetectic(sp?) cast.
NOS earned the right for their brand name to be synonymous with Nitrous Oxide applications!
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Originally Posted by SporkLover
You must not call Kleenexes, Kleenexes, you must call them tissues!
NOS earned the right for their brand name to be synonymous with Nitrous Oxide applications!
NOS earned the right for their brand name to be synonymous with Nitrous Oxide applications!
Not really. Most people started calling it Naaaws after The Fast and the Furious came out and ruined streetracing.
I ran a 50 shot to spool my turbo on the small motor that shut off with a hobbs switch at 10psi boost.
For the TL, if they hold up reasonably well with a supercharger adding well over 50hp at the crank, I would think a 50 shot would be ok if set up right. Don't get me wrong, I don't like nitrous but a 50 shot spread out over 6 cylinders isn't that bad. It's having the self control to stay at a 50 shot when a 100 shot is a couple of jet changes away that will determine if it lives IMO.
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I am pretty sure getting a charger is better than going nos... nitrous... nox... naaws (lol)... whatever its going by these days
why: well nitrous kit - f your motor up 4k in damage, alot of hours in labor
supercharger - 4k, install yourself
why: well nitrous kit - f your motor up 4k in damage, alot of hours in labor
supercharger - 4k, install yourself
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