*DO NOT CALL HONDATA!*
I just got off the phone with a SOCAL shop that has close ties to Hondata. As ussi and others have stated, the reflash will be available for out of state customers by the end of August. The have the equipment to do the testing inhouse. The price has not been determined yet. I am thinking somewhere around $600. You must send in your ECU, Immobilizer, and key. There will be two different reflashes available for s/c applications. I did not inquire about n/a applications.

*DO NOT CALL HONDATA!* -They do not deal with customers directly. You must go through a Hondata authorized dealer.

1. Regular pulley reflash- no other modifications needed.

2. High boost pulley reflash- RSX injectors will be needed.

I for one, can't wait!

And I did say that I was done modding, but I guess I lied!

BTW, they said ussi's car ran very strong! Hopefully he can come and chime in.

 

What kind of numbers is Ussi pulling now?

 

Only thing I don't like about this... Supercharger is reversable. Just pull it off in a few hours if anything ever fails.

This a reflash to your ECM. The only way to go back is to send your shit in again.

That sucks at resale/trade.

Think they could create a modified map to be loaded to the Comptech ACM?

 

I CALLED AND THEY SAID WHY DID YOU CALL.








<joke...>

 

worthless to 95% of TL owners on these boards

do something with a N/A TL and I'll bite, until then no dice

 

What I find interesting is that they are based in Cali and not offering an approved flash for Cali TL Drivers..

 

Henryk do you think you'll send yours to california as soon as the reflash is available? Also, did you ever end up having that HBP installed or are you still waiting to put that on?

 

I heard this too dan....k. Apparently it eliminates the surging issues too that some had. I'm trying to remember too if the rep said it more power also. I know it improved driveability but I'll try and get info on the power aspect tomorrow.

 

All I can say is WOW, but I won't believe it until I have it in my car ;-)

More power and higher redline is nice and all but the surge is the most important issue the reflash needs to fix. The surge has to go, #1 priority! Better AFR is second in importance and then...

And can somebody tell me why the new injectors are needed, aren't ours up to the job and provide more than enough of fuel??? Hell, my car is still running on the rich side even w/HBP and no issues.

Josh you'll be the middle man, correct??? Details???
Sign me up!

 

i think the stock injectors will suffice with HBP, but how long they will last is a different story. i think they would be close to being maxed out.

 

the flash is worth the money. I know... With the HBP it will work, but at higher end you have the chance to run lean, max out the injectors... Best way is to dyno it with a wideband, or buy a wideband like I did...

 

Eoanou: I am not sure. That's why I wanted him to chime in.

Kennedy: Agreed. I think the reflash is done to the ECU, not the ACM? I thought about the reversibility of the reflash. Maybe you can swap ECU's when you sell the s/c? Or just send it in and take the loss on the reflash. I wonder what the TSX guys are doing about this? I definitely agree that this is the one drawback with the reflash.

ACCURATEin: Eric, I am all over this. I am hoping to have this done by the end of the month. Hopefully before NOPI. I did install the HBP. I have had it on for about two months or so. It felt alot stronger at first but the dyno proved otherwise. I am actually taking it off tomorrow. I will reinstall it once I get the reflash.

lembowski: I believe there is an N/A reflash. Maybe subinf or one of the other members with it can tell us a little more about it.

Excelerate: I believe it eliminates the surging and makes more power. The conversation I had today leads me to believe this.

ACTROS: The surge definetely HAS to go! I think the new injectors are needed because with they are at max duty with the regular pulley. I believe somewhere around 96% or so. Maybe higher. The tech at Comptech told me this when I first inquired about the HBP. I have started to price out RSX injectors. They are not cheap. List is $900 for OEM. I am sure these can be had for cheaper. And somewhere around $500 for RC. Also I don't know which ones to get? As far as OEM go Type S or non Type S? As far as RC's, 550cc, 750cc, 1000cc?

 

huh? RSX injectors (type S has 310cc)?

a CL-S made 419whp on stock injectors (250cc), i would think the TL has at least the same size injectors. but i guess they are just covering themselves.

 

I haven't heard anything about the n/a reflash since it was done to my TL in April of 2006. At that time the gains were not enough to release. I'm happy with it, but I can understand from their perspective how they would have liked to see a bigger increase in power.

 

As far as getting different injectors, if you want Honda they are RSX-S and TSX, Civic Si injectors, about $100 ea. I believe these are 320cc.

I'm actually thinking of using the TL-S injectors, same as RL and the new MDX. They will fit our clips and should be much better than stock 245cc. I don't have the specs on these though. Again about $100ea.

RC injectors, I would go with their 370cc or 440cc RSX injectors. That should be more than enough I think.

 

Actros: I thought about the Type S injectors too. I guess we will need to talk to our authorized Hondata dealer about this and see what they recommend. I don't want to start buying unnecessary parts.

 

I believe they were using Ussi' car for the HBP flash development, and his car is running on RSX-S injectors. I think the TL Type S injectors would be a better choice but...

But yeah I know what you mean, the cost of parts adds up pretty fast

 

Agreed. This probably going to cost well over a grand. I would guess $600 for reflash. Another $100 for shipping back and forth. (Next day of course.) Injectors, probably around $500 or so. Then, for us who are not mechanically inclined, installation as well.

 

While we are on the topic of injectors, do you think the TL Type-S injectors would help on a 04-06 N/A. With a CAI and Higher breathing exhaust, I would estimate that the larger injectors would help increase power slightly. I will need to put my car on the Dyno and see what the A/F ratio looks like.

BTW, the RC injectors are great! I ran them on a Prelude I had in the past. The only draw back are the harnesses you have to wire in. Other then that, they are great.

 

My AF is 11-11.5 at WOT, and that's with the HBP on. Before the HBP it was 10 and below especially @ 6-6.7K rpm.

 

I didn't even get a graph from the last two dyno runs I've had. They were so piss poor! The AF was definetely better.

 

I still don't understand why you need to upgrade injectors. A proper tune and stock injectors are more than enough.

There is no point in swapping in higher CC injectors to an N/A application. Actually it serves no purpose at all to touch the fuel system in any way.

 

^you are referring to NA, correct??? I would think beefier injectors would benefit high boost applications.

Can somebody explain, if the stock injectors are maxed out w/HBP why is my car still running pig rich and I have no issues with fuel delivery??? FR was crushed to CT specs!

I'm just curious whether this is a real issue at all???

 

yea, N/A no reason to upgrade injectors.


as you have said, you are pig rich w/ stock injectors.
and i don't see a reason to upgrade on HBP,

but in NY we get 93 octane, hondata only has 91 to play with?

 

I think the difference is that the 3rd Gen TL kit only modifies the stock FPR to increase pressure 10psi. 3rd Gen also still uses stock fuel pump.

The CL-S is probably able to flow more through the stock injectors due to the rising rate FPR and Walbro 255lph pump.

 

^I checked the CL injectors and it's a different part number, no spec on these either.

But you are right, in the CL applicatioin Comptech used a different fuel pump and increased fuel pressure so the stock injectors flowed to their max efficiency, probably not the case with the TL injectors.

Still I wonder if it's worth getting the upgraded injectors, like those of TL Type S, when the higher than intended boost is at play?

 

^^right, here in cali we run 91 octane.

Just an update on my side. Car is 100% tuned for HBP and about 90% for stock pulley. Car runs strong and great on HBP, but on stock pulley pings on the road. I think I'm putting down pretty good #'s and Doug actually said I should be able to post my dyno soon (like maybe in a week!!).

Now heres the cool part. Hondata has actually eliminated the ACM and does all the tuning directly to the ECU. So as you swap pulleys and/or injectors the ECU automatically compensates so its plug & play. More than that however if you say want to get a smaller custom pulley for added boost (maybe sometime in the future for another 1-2psi) you can stick that on as well and the ECU will calibrate for the added boost.

I'll keep you guys updated...

 

Has any 3rd Gen experimented using EManage? I noticed that Boomslang makes a PnP harness. If you could, it would give you quite a bit of flexibility and the ability to unplug back to stock.

I just had mine tuned for HBP using a Boomslang harness and EManage:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...90#post2691390

 

Ussi,
do you have to retune the ECU to uninstall the supercharger? That could present a serious challenge at trade in if I have to send my ECU off again to be flashed "back to stock".

I actually preffered the ACM model because you cut 4 wires and you're back to stock.

 

Yes you would, but not because it wouldn't run but since the vtec point is lowered to 3k rpms it would cause a problem. I spoke to hondata about this and they will offer a flash back to stock so it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Anyway I could snag an ECU and immobilizer from a recycler for use for the flash...?

I had 3 tuned ECU's for my VW, but you had to use the equivalent of a T-code machine to code the new ECU/immob to the car...

Wondering what I'd have to do to swap ECU/immobs.

 

Any updates????

 

would the flash work for an "s" if I got a blower to fit? Or will they have a flash for an "s"?