"System" In The Works!
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I'v been reading your thread and it seems that you are the man to ask. I currently have an IDMax12d4 pushed by a JL 1000/1 and a JL 300/4 running two sets of ADS 346cs components. My problem is the subwoofer enclosure design; right now i have the IDMax in a 2.6 ft3 ported enclosure tuned to 45hz. the box is built like the front end of your bandpass enclosure. (hope you dont mind) My problem is that when the trunk is open, the bass sounds good and loud in the cabin, but when the trunk is closed it almost disappears to nothing. Has this ever happen to you? I was hoping to build an enclosure similar to yours, but the techs at Image said that it would'nt work for the IDMax; something about the Xmax being to big. Any ideas on a design would be greatly appreciated.
I'v been reading your thread and it seems that you are the man to ask. I currently have an IDMax12d4 pushed by a JL 1000/1 and a JL 300/4 running two sets of ADS 346cs components. My problem is the subwoofer enclosure design; right now i have the IDMax in a 2.6 ft3 ported enclosure tuned to 45hz. the box is built like the front end of your bandpass enclosure. (hope you dont mind) My problem is that when the trunk is open, the bass sounds good and loud in the cabin, but when the trunk is closed it almost disappears to nothing. Has this ever happen to you? I was hoping to build an enclosure similar to yours, but the techs at Image said that it would'nt work for the IDMax; something about the Xmax being to big. Any ideas on a design would be greatly appreciated.
The problem is cancellation, and the only way I know of to get rid of it is to have all of the bass in front of the rear seat.
I spoke with the techs at ID also about this sort of box and they said the IDQ is a go but not the ID Max. They also said a box with this kind of efficiency and frequency response was impossible.
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"System in the works" posted by CSWBiggs on.......9-08-2008, 11:15 PM.............................. todays date!.........8-22-2009!!!!!!!!!! YIKES 
almost one year in the works!!! holy shit! this better be the best system in the history of the WORLD!
almost one year in the works!!! holy shit! this better be the best system in the history of the WORLD!
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i just got my 05 tl a few days ago went ahead and got started with the system .....know a little bit about it but poped the trunk and was gonna get started and thought to myself you know what dont feal like doing this ill bring it to the shop....had them hook up a high low and amp install get there to pick it up all looks welll........jump in ....problem one no climate controle nothing works... no big deal the idiot when he ran the remote wire to the fuse box put the fuse back in the wrong spot....fixed great get home throw in my subs very loud had to turn the stock radio sub EQ down to -5 but kind of distorted then jump in the back seat and problem number 2 jumped out at me apparently they broke the clips in the front of the rear seat bottom ...and this one im not sure about but there is a metal loop on the passenger side onf the seat ...looks like used to hold the seat in place but i see there is not one on the driver side and ideas..................
a little off topic but i would def love a box like the one your building ....curently have a 2k mono eclipse amp 2 12" eclipse alluminums in a q-logic ported box
a little off topic but i would def love a box like the one your building ....curently have a 2k mono eclipse amp 2 12" eclipse alluminums in a q-logic ported box
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i'll get there...i work on the thing for maybe 2 hrs a week...don't have a whole lotta free time...no worries...
someone should come and help me! hahaha
-Jason
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Eiswritsat, my english is bad) now i read topic and find something about RE-Q5, thx... CSWBiggs, Did you setup some speakers to the rear doors?
MTX have 5 channel, so you use 4 channel for 2 tweaters and 2 mid and 1 channel for sub... But you have two speakers so 2 channel... How did you split it before MTX and then separate on 2 for 2 HD 750/1 amplifers?
MTX have 5 channel, so you use 4 channel for 2 tweaters and 2 mid and 1 channel for sub... But you have two speakers so 2 channel... How did you split it before MTX and then separate on 2 for 2 HD 750/1 amplifers?
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I have no processor...
no clean sweep...
no alpine imprint...
no mtx...
nada...zip zero zilch...not even an LOC...
my RCA's are hard wired from the pre-amp outputs of the OEM headunit... cut and soldered...
600/4 Runs front and rears...off of their respective pre-amp signal...
750/1 gets it's signal off of the respective pre-amp signal...and than daisy chains to the other 750/1..
Hope that answers your question..
-Jason
no clean sweep...
no alpine imprint...
no mtx...
nada...zip zero zilch...not even an LOC...
my RCA's are hard wired from the pre-amp outputs of the OEM headunit... cut and soldered...
600/4 Runs front and rears...off of their respective pre-amp signal...
750/1 gets it's signal off of the respective pre-amp signal...and than daisy chains to the other 750/1..
Hope that answers your question..
-Jason
well i've decided on doing a similar box in my 07 tl-s, but i'll be using 10w6v2's instead of the 12's. I called JL today and got the lowdown on a 4th order box for 2 10's that actually has a wider playable frequency than the dual 12's do (33-98hz vs. 35-95hz per JL's tech whom i spoke with). i'll be able to run a single hd750/1 for both subs and gain a little bit of precious trunk space back. i'll let you guys know when i get cracking on it after i draw some plans up in CAD and model it on my speaker software. wish me luck. 
Damn, im sorry Jason, i forgot!!!!! HAPPY BELATED B-DAY!!!!!!!!:gheywave::
your baby is 
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I think if you poke around, you can do much better than JL, amps especially, there subs are good, but just as good can be had for less.
well i've decided on doing a similar box in my 07 tl-s, but i'll be using 10w6v2's instead of the 12's. I called JL today and got the lowdown on a 4th order box for 2 10's that actually has a wider playable frequency than the dual 12's do (33-98hz vs. 35-95hz per JL's tech whom i spoke with). i'll be able to run a single hd750/1 for both subs and gain a little bit of precious trunk space back. i'll let you guys know when i get cracking on it after i draw some plans up in CAD and model it on my speaker software. wish me luck.
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i don't see you tryin to lift a finger(no pun intended) to help!!
i've been workin on it...slowly but surely...saw this post and went out and started to body work the inside of the box...preppin for paint...it'll get there...i spend maybe an hour a week...workin on it
-Jason
ive got better amps, older orion xtr 200's to exact (the red marbled ones), but they're too big. the new HD series amps are the right amount of quality, clarity and size that i'm looking for. and as far as the subs go, i've been using jl subs in my blazer for years, and i love them. just a preference is all. why, what would you recommend?
hahaha...ass! j/k
i don't see you tryin to lift a finger(no pun intended) to help!!
i've been workin on it...slowly but surely...saw this post and went out and started to body work the inside of the box...preppin for paint...it'll get there...i spend maybe an hour a week...workin on it
-Jason
i don't see you tryin to lift a finger(no pun intended) to help!!
i've been workin on it...slowly but surely...saw this post and went out and started to body work the inside of the box...preppin for paint...it'll get there...i spend maybe an hour a week...workin on it
-Jason
I dunno what I'm doing when using power tools, I'll probably cut my hand or something!Jason if i lived closer I'd definately help you finish thing. Then i might learn
some car audio knowledge. Then i'll know what the heck your talking about when you mention, bandpass, excursion, 4th order slope, 12db octive 80hz or
whatever
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Dear CSW I have similar components to you, but now I am redoing my system. Your build has given me direction and inspiration. i too have the spx 17pros and jl amplification. Those Pillar mounts look awesome. The radiator tweeter will def give better imaging on axis. swithcing to the HD amps prob the 900/5. getting rid of my 8w7 HO and gonna build a single 12w6v2 bandpass box. I called jl for the specs for a single sub. my slash amps and HO box take up so much trunk space. Well i just wanted to say thank you for posting ur build and sharing your useful ideas. acurazine is a great site. I've been lurking around azine for years. for me, this has been the most useful thread. Are you on DIYMA?
P.S. i see ur super busy, but i would hapilly pay you for you to fab me up a set of those pillar mounts.
P.S. i see ur super busy, but i would hapilly pay you for you to fab me up a set of those pillar mounts.
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This thread is funny over 20k views and more than 300 replies on something thats not even close to being completed. And it been over a year since it was started being built.
Get off your butt Jason, geeze i know you work and get tired, have you heard of overtime! Finish already! Your not the only smartass! Lol!
Get off your butt Jason, geeze i know you work and get tired, have you heard of overtime! Finish already! Your not the only smartass! Lol!
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This thread is funny over 20k views and more than 300 replies on something thats not even close to being completed. And it been over a year since it was started being built.
Get off your butt Jason, geeze i know you work and get tired, have you heard of overtime! Finish already! Your not the only smartass! Lol!
Get off your butt Jason, geeze i know you work and get tired, have you heard of overtime! Finish already! Your not the only smartass! Lol!
-Jason
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Actually, the front sound stage version I heard sounded really good, I thought that was the final product at the time.
I got a new one today. Last week a co-worker was talking crap about JL subs so I let him hear the ghetto poor man's miracle box. Apparently he told people so a couple guys came to hear it after work today.
What was funny is they're looking at the subs basically not moving yet my hair was moving and asked to see the trunk because the sound could not be coming from those subs. The lack of excursion is unreal, it still surprises me at times.
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Suuuuure lol. I think I asked if I could buy one of these boxes as a Christmas gift to myself last Christmas....
Actually, the front sound stage version I heard sounded really good, I thought that was the final product at the time.
I got a new one today. Last week a co-worker was talking crap about JL subs so I let him hear the ghetto poor man's miracle box. Apparently he told people so a couple guys came to hear it after work today.
What was funny is they're looking at the subs basically not moving yet my hair was moving and asked to see the trunk because the sound could not be coming from those subs. The lack of excursion is unreal, it still surprises me at times.
Actually, the front sound stage version I heard sounded really good, I thought that was the final product at the time.
I got a new one today. Last week a co-worker was talking crap about JL subs so I let him hear the ghetto poor man's miracle box. Apparently he told people so a couple guys came to hear it after work today.
What was funny is they're looking at the subs basically not moving yet my hair was moving and asked to see the trunk because the sound could not be coming from those subs. The lack of excursion is unreal, it still surprises me at times.
-Jason
Well the damn thing better sound good! It's as big as a fucken coffin. Not only could you put two 12's in there but a dead body too! Or am I wrong. I wish you would finish this "system in the works" so we could see the final install. How much room will be left in the trunk?
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Well the damn thing better sound good! It's as big as a fucken coffin. Not only could you put two 12's in there but a dead body too! Or am I wrong. I wish you would finish this "system in the works" so we could see the final install. How much room will be left in the trunk?
i can still fit two fullsized golfbags!!!
-Jason
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Are you running into any time alignment issues with the tweeters being so far away from the mids and is so what processor are you going to use to correct it. I had a similar set up in my mazdaspeed but i had a premier 880 to fix that issue, just curious.
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i primarily focus achieving the best results acoustically for a center listening position...ie on top of the arm-rest ..before i introduce any active electronic filters and or time correction filters...this way that when i tune for driver or passenger side bias...i'm able to have all axis mirrored on both sides of the car...making tuning much easier and more efficient..
-Jason