Good rear speakers to compliment these?
06-02-2009, 07:41 PM
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Good rear speakers to compliment these?
I'm decided to get these components for the front of the 08 TL:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...io+C5-650.html
Anyone have thoughts on them? What would be a good set of rear's for these?
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...io+C5-650.html
Anyone have thoughts on them? What would be a good set of rear's for these?
06-03-2009, 10:53 AM
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because ur sound stage is from the front. you dont go to a concert n listen to the music with ur back turned to the band. the rear speakers really shouldnt be used...but they add a certain ambience witht he stock system and make u think its louder and at times you get a few added sound effects going on. but if the system/speakers are set up properly in the front, u never really need the rears....i dont even use the rear in mine. in surround sound systems its different plus your in a house not a car.....the environment has changed at that point.
06-03-2009, 03:26 PM
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I'm with eggy, trip and biggs on this. rear speakers should be used for fill only. they will not enhance the sound much at all.
As for your components... 75 watts? Are you sure that will be enough? If you're putting a sub in the rear you will probably want more power out of the front stage so the mids/highs balance out with the bass. Just my
As for your components... 75 watts? Are you sure that will be enough? If you're putting a sub in the rear you will probably want more power out of the front stage so the mids/highs balance out with the bass. Just my
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06-04-2009, 09:04 AM
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trew Im using the 300/4 JL in my car with 6 speakers.... 2 silk dome tweeters in the oem location two 5.25 inch compression loudspeakers added to the doors pointed towards me n the passenger and two 6.5 inch beyma compression loudspeakers in the oem location in the doors running 1.6ohms on eachside. total wattage per-side is 38watts and if u bring it within the last 3 notches of volume its almost deafening.....but extremely clear. you can hear the vinyl scratching off of a record in the background. lol
06-04-2009, 10:41 AM
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it's me, Alan Rickman.
ehhhhh
DVD Audio = 5.1
F/L, CTR, F/R, R/L, R/R, SUB = 5.1 speakers
I tend to think that if I did not have my rear speakers, my dvd audio discs would sound like utter shit... because i'd be missing two channels.
DVD Audio = 5.1
F/L, CTR, F/R, R/L, R/R, SUB = 5.1 speakers
I tend to think that if I did not have my rear speakers, my dvd audio discs would sound like utter shit... because i'd be missing two channels.
06-04-2009, 10:56 AM
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matrixed meaning its layered and formatted differently for a processor to spit it out correctly. but in the breakdown of it all.....its still front channels heavy sound.... rears low "surround"
06-04-2009, 11:13 AM
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Id have 3 of these and 20 subs in my basement using the whole basement as an enclosure for the subs in my house.
http://www.geekologie.com/2007/09/20/big-speaker.jpg
the only thing is the horns wouldnt be acrylic theyd be metal or another form of plastic...i dont like the resonance of acrylic for highs....for bass its ok. lol
http://www.geekologie.com/2007/09/20/big-speaker.jpg
the only thing is the horns wouldnt be acrylic theyd be metal or another form of plastic...i dont like the resonance of acrylic for highs....for bass its ok. lol
06-04-2009, 11:28 AM
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the stage still isnt behind u. its in front. they arent turning around to hear the sound they are sitting down with their backs to the speakers. also its a car so sound isnt really complimentary in it. thats y if u place the speakers up front correctly within a few degreees of deviation you get extremely nice sound in the back....in my car with the speaker placement u hear super clear and loud.... the physics behind what i did is crazy but the sound travels great.
if i plug in the rear speakers.....you can seriously go deaf thats how loud it is in the car.... the front speakers are slightly turned down in volume......i dont use crossovers i make them according to whats being done in the car and the power being used and how i want the music to sound.... and thats also based on what music the person listens to.
if i plug in the rear speakers.....you can seriously go deaf thats how loud it is in the car.... the front speakers are slightly turned down in volume......i dont use crossovers i make them according to whats being done in the car and the power being used and how i want the music to sound.... and thats also based on what music the person listens to.
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06-04-2009, 12:27 PM
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I know I can hear a difference sitting in the front seat with the rear turned down low, much less off. It's very disconcerting. Doesn't sound right at all.
If you've changed the geometry of the front speakers, that's a different story. Maybe my ears are more sensitive.
If you've changed the geometry of the front speakers, that's a different story. Maybe my ears are more sensitive.
06-04-2009, 12:43 PM
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or so u think. Ive been designing systems for quite sometime and I get checked at an audiologist every year to make sure my hearing is all there.... still havent lost it. I can hear things most people cant in music if u wanna talk about sensitivity. I grew up around now producers back in the day dj's, mechanics, engineers....im pretty fluent in a lot of things.
your talking about hearing....Im talking about physics and how it comes together in the car....and how i use physics to determine sound not my ears.....your ears lie (not JUST yours....everyones).
now ur talking about difference in sound...yea great it sounds lower in the back because youve changed the distance of sound and youve put things in its way that deflect it. so your going to get a lower sound but u know where the sound is coming from...the front where your supposed to hear music from. in front of u. music from the back like the speaker positioning actually throws sound off in the back of the car and front because of phase and timing.
anyone can mod it to sound good up front but it'll sound bad to u in the back. Its all about tuning it to sound good in one place in the car....the drivers seat. theres no spot in the car where its going to sound amazing to everyone sitting in the car because its not tuned for everyone....UNLESSS you put the same amount of speakers all around each seat for all the passengers with each set having its own amp to power them.
I can go on n on n on about this. Im sure all the other MECP guys on here can as well. lol
your talking about hearing....Im talking about physics and how it comes together in the car....and how i use physics to determine sound not my ears.....your ears lie (not JUST yours....everyones).
now ur talking about difference in sound...yea great it sounds lower in the back because youve changed the distance of sound and youve put things in its way that deflect it. so your going to get a lower sound but u know where the sound is coming from...the front where your supposed to hear music from. in front of u. music from the back like the speaker positioning actually throws sound off in the back of the car and front because of phase and timing.
anyone can mod it to sound good up front but it'll sound bad to u in the back. Its all about tuning it to sound good in one place in the car....the drivers seat. theres no spot in the car where its going to sound amazing to everyone sitting in the car because its not tuned for everyone....UNLESSS you put the same amount of speakers all around each seat for all the passengers with each set having its own amp to power them.
I can go on n on n on about this. Im sure all the other MECP guys on here can as well. lol
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06-04-2009, 01:50 PM
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pyscho-acoustics 101...
rear speakers cause destructive interference with the sound produced by your front stage..
if you chose to run rears invest in some processor that allows time alignment...than correct all channels according and then add 10-20ms delay on your front stage...watch what happens....
-Jason
rear speakers cause destructive interference with the sound produced by your front stage..
if you chose to run rears invest in some processor that allows time alignment...than correct all channels according and then add 10-20ms delay on your front stage...watch what happens....
-Jason
06-05-2009, 04:09 PM
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Now, I know that many people (probably most) do not own any DVD-As. I agree, that for 2 channel Stereo, the rear only provides some "fill" and volume of the rear should be kept fairly low so that the imaging cues come from the front.
Robert
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06-06-2009, 07:28 AM
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pyscho-acoustics 101...
rear speakers cause destructive interference with the sound produced by your front stage..
if you chose to run rears invest in some processor that allows time alignment...than correct all channels according and then add 10-20ms delay on your front stage...watch what happens....
-Jason
rear speakers cause destructive interference with the sound produced by your front stage..
if you chose to run rears invest in some processor that allows time alignment...than correct all channels according and then add 10-20ms delay on your front stage...watch what happens....
-Jason
By the way, what's a "passenger"?
06-07-2009, 10:02 AM
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lol bro i read em.... but since u know what ur talking about..... i just read and leave the comments out and laugh at those who try to argue the books and proven theory....lmao!
06-10-2009, 12:32 PM
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i have ONLY fronts.... the rears are 2 6.5 beyma 90m speakers running 8ohms each so i need another set to compliment them....just not in the back or ill sell them =)
I have 6 speakers up front....
2 - O2 OST-35 tweeters...silk dome
2 - O2 5.25 hybrid speakers - half neodymium half regular magnet
2 - Beyma 90M's 6.5inch
the tweeters and 6.5's are in the stock locations. the 5.25's are molded into the door panels and wrapped in carbonfiber vinyl.
I have 6 speakers up front....
2 - O2 OST-35 tweeters...silk dome
2 - O2 5.25 hybrid speakers - half neodymium half regular magnet
2 - Beyma 90M's 6.5inch
the tweeters and 6.5's are in the stock locations. the 5.25's are molded into the door panels and wrapped in carbonfiber vinyl.
06-10-2009, 12:42 PM
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the tweeters are 4 ohms the 5.25s are 4ohms and the 6.5s are 8 ohm...that gives me the total load at 1.6ohms and the amp can handle a maximum of 1.5ohms. its a JL 300/4v2 putting out 38 clean watts when i measured it with clio....way below clip.
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06-10-2009, 12:50 PM
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You may know a couple of things about electronics, but I know a thing or two about the human body.
06-10-2009, 01:22 PM
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and what makes you an expert on acoustic response to the human body...notice how i say body...not just ear...please clue us all in...i'm just dying to understand your logic...or should I say...lack there of?
-Jason
06-10-2009, 01:23 PM
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lol ok doc.... its funny although you think you know.... you still dont. Ill fill you in a lil, Physics and math proves everything ive mentioned, along with inside and outside calculations for loudness. I can prove anything with math for sound.... when you're a doctor you're constantly practicing trying to prove theory...therefore it remains theory until its proven otherwise.....and even then its called theory because you always get shit like "oh thats not a heart thats a brain". Oh and in case I didnt tell you....I dont practice electricity and math it stayed the same you cant change it unless your calculations are off (and its been the same for billions of years). Im sorry to tell you but all the theory that i have mentioned is proven through math and physics its called theory because you can bend and manipulate sounds to your liking . sound is the transfer function of energy through time (FACT NOT FICTION...sit there and think of that line a few times til it sinks in...because it important to recognize that.). so all Im doing is manipulating the "energy" to go in different directions. in music u have a fuck ton of variables that go into it and in the end its all preference....if u want back speakers go ahead do it im not stopping you, nor do I care.... Im letting you know, u cannot hear sounds from behind u....and thats proven (its not theory), you can ONLY hear echos from the angles in the environment provided from behind you. Which again goes back to physics n math....which im not getting into because the equations are probably longer than my speech.
with hearing... yea everyone hears differently because some of us either dont have perfect hearing, have untrained ears or just dont care much about sound. They just want it to be loud and they couldnt tell the difference between a fart or a high hat. quality vs. SPL..... this is y I use specific equipment to tune my customers cars (speaker angles, timing, crossover frequencies, amplifier levels etc.)to the point to where it (the system) never has to be touched and u can pop any cd in the car without ever having to change settings.....and thats not always the case in music and systems.
with hearing... yea everyone hears differently because some of us either dont have perfect hearing, have untrained ears or just dont care much about sound. They just want it to be loud and they couldnt tell the difference between a fart or a high hat. quality vs. SPL..... this is y I use specific equipment to tune my customers cars (speaker angles, timing, crossover frequencies, amplifier levels etc.)to the point to where it (the system) never has to be touched and u can pop any cd in the car without ever having to change settings.....and thats not always the case in music and systems.
06-10-2009, 01:31 PM
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lol ok doc.... its funny although you think you know.... you still dont. Ill fill you in a lil, Physics and math proves everything ive mentioned, along with inside and outside calculations for loudness. I can prove anything with math for sound.... when you're a doctor you're constantly practicing trying to prove theory...therefore it remains theory until its proven otherwise.....and even then its called theory because you always get shit like "oh thats not a heart thats a brain". Oh and in case I didnt tell you....I dont practice electricity and math it stayed the same you cant change it unless your calculations are off (and its been the same for billions of years). Im sorry to tell you but all the theory that i have mentioned is proven through math and physics its called theory because you can bend and manipulate sounds to your liking . sound is the transfer function of energy through time (FACT NOT FICTION...sit there and think of that line a few times til it sinks in...because it important to recognize that.). so all Im doing is manipulating the "energy" to go in different directions. in music u have a fuck ton of variables that go into it and in the end its all preference....if u want back speakers go ahead do it im not stopping you, nor do I care.... Im letting you know, u cannot hear sounds from behind u....and thats proven (its not theory), you can ONLY hear echos from the angles in the environment provided from behind you. Which again goes back to physics n math....which im not getting into because the equations are probably longer than my speech.
with hearing... yea everyone hears differently because some of us either dont have perfect hearing, have untrained ears or just dont care much about sound. They just want it to be loud and they couldnt tell the difference between a fart or a high hat. quality vs. SPL..... this is y I use specific equipment to tune my customers cars (speaker angles, timing, crossover frequencies, amplifier levels etc.)to the point to where it (the system) never has to be touched and u can pop any cd in the car without ever having to change settings.....and thats not always the case in music and systems.
with hearing... yea everyone hears differently because some of us either dont have perfect hearing, have untrained ears or just dont care much about sound. They just want it to be loud and they couldnt tell the difference between a fart or a high hat. quality vs. SPL..... this is y I use specific equipment to tune my customers cars (speaker angles, timing, crossover frequencies, amplifier levels etc.)to the point to where it (the system) never has to be touched and u can pop any cd in the car without ever having to change settings.....and thats not always the case in music and systems.
-Jason
06-10-2009, 01:40 PM
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yes in need some anger management courses (no joke) lol but i mean how can u possibly defy whats proven? lol it makes no sense.
busa i have pics but before i finished the doors, they are in the middle of fabrication and tonight when i get home or even before ill take some pics for u
but i mean how can u possibly defy whats proven? lol it makes no sense. busa i have pics but before i finished the doors, they are in the middle of fabrication and tonight when i get home or even before ill take some pics for u
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06-10-2009, 05:02 PM
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some these tags really don't make sense lol
anyways.. I'm gonna follow the advice of everyone here and forget about the rears and just invest that amount into my components tell me what you guys think about these:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...ZR650-CSi.html
I'm pretty sure thats an error in the description where it says 350 watts rms lol
I mostly listen to trance/house some rock and little rap here and there so I want something that is realllllllllly clear and has crisp highs.
Thanks for all the advice here.
anyways.. I'm gonna follow the advice of everyone here and forget about the rears and just invest that amount into my components tell me what you guys think about these:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...ZR650-CSi.html
I'm pretty sure thats an error in the description where it says 350 watts rms lol
I mostly listen to trance/house some rock and little rap here and there so I want something that is realllllllllly clear and has crisp highs.
Thanks for all the advice here.