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Old Dec 28, 2004 | 03:08 PM
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DVD-Audio to regular CDs

I did a search on this topic and did not find an answer to my question which is....

Is there a free program out there that will rip a DVD-Audio so that I can then burn a regular CD? I want to be able to play my DVD-Audios in my house on my regular CD player. I understand that the CDs will not be surround sound, just stereo (I think), but that is OK,

I have Roxio on my computer now. So what is the best way to rip the DVD-A? Would I have to convert the files to another format before burning them onto CDs?

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Old Dec 28, 2004 | 03:58 PM
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i dont thing there is a way..... but if ur into burning cds, go online and download 'limeware' dont go 2 kaaza...... if u need help burning cds, just pm me...
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Old Dec 28, 2004 | 08:07 PM
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I don't know the exact procedure, but there must be a way.. (there is always a way)

I recommend that you search on www.dvdrhelp.com

While that site is about DVD Video, they may have some clues for you.
also .. see if Google has anything for u if u search for "dvd audio to mp3"

good luck.. and if u find out the way to do this, please make sure to post it here.
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Old Dec 28, 2004 | 08:18 PM
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here is a little somethin' to get u started ... good luck

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=1_DVD_Audio_Ripper
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Old Dec 29, 2004 | 01:56 PM
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Can't rip DVD-A

Originally Posted by Dvus555
Is there a free program out there that will rip a DVD-Audio so that I can then burn a regular CD?
In a word, no. If you wish to keep them digital, DVD-Audio content is protected in a way that has yet to be broken. The only way to convert DVD-A content to CD is to record them analog. The "DVD-Audio" ripper that has been mentioned will pull the audio off of a DVD-Video title, but can't touch the MLP content of a DVD-Audio title.
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Old Dec 29, 2004 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ricwilson
In a word, no. If you wish to keep them digital, DVD-Audio content is protected in a way that has yet to be broken. The only way to convert DVD-A content to CD is to record them analog. The "DVD-Audio" ripper that has been mentioned will pull the audio off of a DVD-Video title, but can't touch the MLP content of a DVD-Audio title.

Hmm.. I have to respectuflly disagree.. What you're saying is similar to saying that we can't make copies of DVD video (besause they are protected/encrypted) and therefore may only be copied onto VHS .. (and we all know that this is not true.. there are tons of utilities that allow DVD to DVD copy)

Similar concept goes for DVD Audio..
I did quick search on Yahoo (or Google for that matter) on "rip dvd audio" .. try it .. and see how many results you get..

Freebie app. is a different question.. Those are mostly available on Kazaa, forums, and other places.. that will require a little more searching..

Copying DVD audio is very much possible.. I would recommend that when u do rip DVD Audio.. u stick with some larger file formats that do less compression, that way file stays as close to the original as possible.

http://www.audioutilities.com/dvd-au...dio-ripper.htm

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Old Dec 29, 2004 | 08:00 PM
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There's a significant difference between ripping DVD audio (the general term referring to audio streams on a DVD-Video) and ripping DVD-Audio (the trademark)!

If you try to derive a stereo CD from a DVD-Audio, you will need to do the following -

1) Get the content from the audio streams of the DVD-Video section of the DVD-Audio. This is what DVD Audio Ripper and the like do. If possible, get a stereo stream. If not, get a surround stream.

2) If you ripped a surround stream, you will need to "downmix" the content to stereo. AC3 (Dolby Digital) streams may have a "downmix matrix" defined that identifies the level at which each of the channels into the L/R stereo channels. This is true even for "stereo" AC3 streams, which are frequently 2.1 (stereo + low frequency effects, or subwoofer) signals. The use of the wrong downmix matrix can seriously degrade the end result of this process.

3) Convert the stream to 16-bit 44.1kHz stereo. This can be trickier than it sounds, especially if you grabbed a 24-bit high resolution (96kbps or 192kbps typically) stereo channel. Most of the standard conversion tools won't handle these streams.

This is essentially the process that DVD Audio Ripper automates for you.

ricwilson is absolutely correct that no one has cracked the MLP (Meridian Lossless Packing) content of DVD-Audio (the trademark). A different encryption scheme from DVD-Video is used in the digital domain on DVD-Audio content, and the MLP codec has not been duplicated. Many DVD-Audios are further encoded (sometimes including the DVD-Video content) with a very persistent analog domain watermarking scheme that prevents DVD-Audio players from playing second-generation DVDs made with these signals. A CD made with this watermarking will play (even in a CD player); the DVD-Audio spec states that "legacy media" (i.e., CD) playback, even in a DVD player, does not need to support the watermarking.

To my knowledge the watermarking has been defeated (filtered out) in an academic experiment but there is no tool available to do it.

Mike
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Old Dec 30, 2004 | 05:08 AM
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What do you folks think of this....

This thing mentionas DVD-A's for cars. This may not be the correct place for the post but it seems promising.

http://www.ulead.com/bn/features.htm

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Old Dec 30, 2004 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Dvus555
I did a search on this topic and did not find an answer to my question which is....

Is there a free program out there that will rip a DVD-Audio so that I can then burn a regular CD? I want to be able to play my DVD-Audios in my house on my regular CD player. I understand that the CDs will not be surround sound, just stereo (I think), but that is OK,

I have Roxio on my computer now. So what is the best way to rip the DVD-A? Would I have to convert the files to another format before burning them onto CDs?

Thanks for the help.
Do you have a DVD Player at home? If so this a moot point as DVD-Audio discs will play in any home DVD player.
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Old Dec 30, 2004 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Nodoze2004
Do you have a DVD Player at home? If so this a moot point as DVD-Audio discs will play in any home DVD player.
Yes, I do have a DVD player at home, but I don't have it connected to a stereo, just the TV. I was also hoping to use the newly created CDs in a walkman and in my other cars with CD players as well.

After reading all of these great in depth responses, I have come to the realization that there is no EASY way to accomplish what I want to do (yet). I am not as technologically adept as everybody else on this forum, that is why I was looking for Free and Easy.

Thanks again for everybody's responses. I'll keep an eye on the forum to see if somebody discovers something in the future.

Points for all!!!
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Old Dec 30, 2004 | 05:48 PM
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Listen to svtmike. There is a difference between DVD Audio (the audio on a DVD-V) and DVD-Audio, the High Resolution audio format that is hosted on a DVD.

Although most DVD-A's have a DVD-V compatible audio track, be it stereo, Dolby Digital, or DTS, the DVD-Audio track is a higher resolution track, usually 24/96, but sometimes, 24/88.2, or if stereo, even 24/196. These are large files, and to get a 5.1 program onto a single DVD disc in the DVD-Audio format, these files must be encoded using an MLP encoder. This encoder can be purchased for $5000!! However, I am unaware of a software decoder for this format.

A DVD-Audio disc (as opposed to the audio portion of a DVD-V) must be played back on a DVD-Audio player. The TL can play DVD-Audio discs, but cannot play the audio portion of a DVD-V disc (or, as some may call it, DVD Audio [without the dash])

It's very confusing. To make matters worse, there is actually another DVD based format, DAD, that can only be played on DVD-V players, yet it has high resolution audio.

An example of a DAD disc is the new Neil Young Greatest Hits CD/DVD.

Good Grief!
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by oblio98
Listen to svtmike. There is a difference between DVD Audio (the audio on a DVD-V) and DVD-Audio, the High Resolution audio format that is hosted on a DVD.

Although most DVD-A's have a DVD-V compatible audio track, be it stereo, Dolby Digital, or DTS, the DVD-Audio track is a higher resolution track, usually 24/96, but sometimes, 24/88.2, or if stereo, even 24/196. These are large files, and to get a 5.1 program onto a single DVD disc in the DVD-Audio format, these files must be en coded using an MLP encoder. This encoder can be purchased for $5000!! However, I am unaware of a software decoder for this format.

A DVD-Audio disc (as opposed to the audio portion of a DVD-V) must be played back on a DVD-Audio player. The TL can play DVD-Audio discs, but cannot play the audio portion of a DVD-V disc (or, as some may call it, DVD Audio [without the dash])

It's very confusing. To make matters worse, there is actually another DVD based format, DAD, that can only be played on DVD-V players, yet it has high resolution audio.

An example of a DAD disc is the new Neil Young Greatest Hits CD/DVD.

Good Grief!



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Old Jan 1, 2005 | 04:23 PM
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Here is how I ripped BMG Audio to CD, I can tell you it works. First, you'll need to download the Gordian Knot Rip Pack. It contains all the freeware programs you'll need plus loads of other stuff if you are into ripping DVD Video. I must give full credit to the helpful folks at everwicked.com who have a number of guides describing DVD/DivX conversions and upon which these instructions are based.

For this exercise, you'll only use DVD Ripper and Foobar2000 plus whatever CD burner you prefer. You'll find the rip pack here:

http://gordianknot.sourceforge.net/m...download&cid=1

You'll also need an mp3 encoder - I use LAME MP3. Download the encoder here and unarchive it directly into the Foobar2000 executable directory:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jfe1205/LAME/

1. Open DVD Decrypter
a. Set Mode > IFO
b. Set Edit > Select main movie files
c. Goto Tools > Settings
i. File Mode > File Splitting > None
1) Multi Angle > Check On (Retain Angle =1)
ii. IFO Mode > Enable Stream Processing On
d. Click on OK to get back to main screen
e. At the main screen, click on the Stream Processing tab on the right hand side.
i. You should see a Video Stream plus one or more audio streams (AC3, DTS …)
ii. Select > Enable Stream Processing
iii. Click Video On
iv. Click Audio AC3 6Ch On
v. Don't care about the rest, you can leave them unclicked to save HD space
vi. In the Stream List, select the Video Stream so it is highlighted and then confirm below the Stream List that Direct Stream Copy is selected
vii. In the Stream List, select the Audio AC3 6Ch Stream so it is highlighted and confirm that the Demux option is selected.
f. Click on Destination Folder icon located towards the middle of the main screen and point to a memorable place where you want the ripped files stored.
i. Click on OK to get back to main screen
g. Click on DVD icon and stand back.
i. Depending upon the speed of your hardware, it make take 10 to 15 minutes to rip the VOB and AC3 file. (You may ask, why do I want the VOB video file if all I'm interested in is the audio. I don't have a good answer yet other than DVD Ripper won't create a usable AC3 without a corresponding VOB. I may figure this out a bit later, I'll let you know.)
ii. Once completed, go to the destination folder and confirm that you have a VOB file plus one or more AC3 files (if you didn't uncheck the other audio streams).
iii. The AC3 file now contains the decrypted 5.1 audio streams of the DVD-Audio.

You now need to transcode the audio into something your CD Burner can handle. I like to transcode to MP3 and use MusicMatch Burner. The only drawback I've found so far is that I've not been able to break the AC3 into individual chapters/tracks (yet). So when you are finished, you'll end up with one long MP3 without title/track information or breaks. This is a pain but at least gets you in the game with your tunes playing on a standard CD player. There are a few more tweaks I'm checking out that may do this ( I'll let you know when I've got this figured out too).

2. Open Foobar2000. You'll need to configure a few settings first.
a. Under the “Foobar2000” menu, select “Preferences”. You will be taken to the control panel for Foobar2000 were you can adjust the settings to your liking.
i. Locate the “AC3 decoder” plugin under Playback>Input and check the “Dynamic range compression” option. This is done to increase the volume for quiet passages during the transcoding.
ii. Locate the “DSP Manager” again under “Playback”. Here you will see a large number of plugins on the right that are available for use. Before being able to use them, however, you need to load them in DSP Manager by moving them in the left panel.
1) The ones of interest to us are the “Convert 5.1 to stereo” and possibly the “Resampler (SSRC)”. As the name indicates, the converter from 5.1 to stereo is necessary when your output format is going to be MP3.
2) If you have an old sound card and you want to downsample the 48 kHz of AC-3 to 44.1 kHz, then you can use the Resampler DSP module. Load the Resampler in the “Active DSPs” list and to set it up scroll down and locate the “Resampler” GUI, under Playback>DSP Manager. Choose the desired sample rate from the dropdown list. When done, press on the “Close” button for now to be taken back to the main screen of Foobar2000.
b. Import the AC3 file in the playlist by selecting “Add files” under the “Playlist” menu. Having done that, right click on the AC3 file and click on Convert>Settings. You should now be back in the preferences tab
i. You are now in the diskwriter window of foobar2000 where you can choose your preferred output format from a dropdown list. Make sure that the “Same as source file directory” is ticked as well as “Use DSP” if you previously activated any plugins such as the Resampler or the Downmixer. In “Output format” choose “CLI encoder” since you want to create an MP3.
ii. Choose “LAME” from the “Preset” drop down list. Don't worry about the other options in that list. The CLI encoder enables you to use any command line codec and already provides the most common settings for the usual codecs (LAME, Vorbis etc.) but we will only use it for MP3. You have to make sure that the command line codec “lame.exe” can be found on your HDD somewhere, preferably in the same directory as foobar2000. Then, define a path for the codec in the “Encoder” space.
iii. Change the default parameters by clicking on Edit. On the parameter line enter the following : -h -c -b 128 - %d. On the Display Name line put in "LAME CBR 128". This stands for Constant Bit Rate @ 128Kbps. Click on OK and then Close to get back to the main Screen.
iv. Right click on the AC3 again and choose Convert>Run conversion. All you have to do now is wait for the compression to be completed. This may take quite some time (on my 3.4GHz P4 it ran roughly 15 minutes). You'll now have a 2 Ch Stereo mix of the 5.1 Audio ripped from the DVD-Audio.

Use your favorite burner to create a playable CD.
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Old Jan 1, 2005 | 05:04 PM
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Good job on the write up!

However, I think what you are ripping is the Dolby Digital track, not the DVD-A high resolution track. But, ya know what, it works for me!
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Old Jan 1, 2005 | 07:21 PM
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Hmm. Might be although its a bit tough to tell on the DVD Ripper. It only lists 6ch and 2ch audio so it might be that I've picked up the 5.1 DTS stuff. Just the same, its great to have a backup copy in case of emergencies.

I also figured out how to parse the .ac3 file into the individual tracks. I'll post that later - it's been a long day slogging through the DVD backyard so to speak.
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Old Jan 1, 2005 | 09:06 PM
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Hmm. Might be although its a bit tough to tell on the DVD Ripper. It only lists 6ch and 2ch audio so it might be that I've picked up the 5.1 DTS stuff. Just the same, its great to have a backup copy in case of emergencies.

I also figured out how to parse the .ac3 file into the individual tracks. I'll post that later.
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dvus555
After reading all of these great in depth responses, I have come to the realization that there is no EASY way to accomplish what I want to do (yet). I am not as technologically adept as everybody else on this forum, that is why I was looking for Free and Easy.

Thanks again for everybody's responses. I'll keep an eye on the forum to see if somebody discovers something in the future.
It's been a while since I started this post.

Has anything changed? Is there an easy and cheap way to burn regular CDs from the DVD-Audio cds for the TL?
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