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06-08-2004, 02:27 PM
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BTW - $10,000 worth of equipment sounds kind of lame for a professional DJ system. It's probably sufficient for a 6 year old's birthday party though. And, I hope you don't use that kind of language around the little kids.
06-08-2004, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dcarlinf1
BTW - $10,000 worth of equipment sounds kind of lame for a professional DJ system. It's probably sufficient for a 6 year old's birthday party though. And, I hope you don't use that kind of language around the little kids.
No, actually the combo of equipment I have is classified as top of the line....Denon 9000 Dual CD's, Crown Macro tech 2500, EAW Cali's! But than again, YOU DONT KNOW SHIT, why am I telling you, only thing lame is your knowledge, or lets say lack of!!! Ya I can do a 6 year old bday party, if they invite 1000 headz! :fingerfawk:
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Originally Posted by spidey07
WHAT!!
No vinyl? All the good stuff is only on vinyl.
And you call yourself a DJ. for shame.
No vinyl? All the good stuff is only on vinyl.
And you call yourself a DJ. for shame.
Well I stopped my self short, didnt want to confuse some people even further than they are...but of course vinyl all the way....technic 2500's!!
06-08-2004, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DopeTL04
No, actually the combo of equipment I have is classified as top of the line....Denon 9000 Dual CD's, Crown Macro tech 2500, EAW Cali's! But than again, YOU DONT KNOW SHIT, why am I telling you, only thing lame is your knowledge, or lets say lack of!!! Ya I can do a 6 year old bday party, if they invite 1000 headz! :fingerfawk:
Originally Posted by DopeTL04
Bose quality audio can't be beat by anyone, thats just a fact!
06-08-2004, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DopeTL04
Well I stopped my self short, didnt want to confuse some people even further than they are...but of course vinyl all the way....technic 2500's!!
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Originally Posted by dcarlinf1
What, no Bose???
Hmmmm, how can your system be top of the line when Bose can't be beat??
Hmmmm, how can your system be top of the line when Bose can't be beat??
Another lack of knowledge response...ummm bose does not make professional DJ equipment...if I was a band or something than I would no doubt go with bose because of clarity and quality...IF bose did make pro dj equip, i would be all over it!
06-08-2004, 02:53 PM
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K, I'm with ya now. I should've known Bose doesn't make DJ equipment. You got me there. Thanks for clearing that up, it sounded like you were talking out of your ass for a minute there and we all know you wouldn't do that.
06-08-2004, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DopeTL04
Having a Bose system in your vehicle is much more than just a set of components and the bose logo on the speaker grilles. In fact, numerous acoustic considerations are measured and tested before a system is designed specifically for that car. That's because each vehicle presents its own audio design challenges.
The stylish convertible introduces a rush of open air that affects nearly everything you hear. Luxury SUVs have a wide range of cabin acoustics that must be carefully accounted for. Sporty sedans have little room for system components. And these are just a few of the factors considered when custom engineering a sound system for any given vehicle.
Selected Bose automotive systems also work to tame the world outside your car, even when you're stuck in noisy traffic. Outside noise is analyzed and the audio system compensates for it so you don't have to constantly adjust the controls. Bose AudioPilot digital processing circuitry even compensates for open windows. Intricate components are also designed to handle extreme temperature changes.
WHY CAN YOU NOT HEAR YOUR DAMN ELS SYSTEM WHEN WINDOWS ARE OPEN??? ITS CALLED TECHNOLOGY, IF YOU CANT KEEP UP WITH IT, SHUT DA FUCK UP!!! :sqntfawk:
WANNA TALK ABOUT FACTS?? HOLLAR AT THAT!! I am a DJ and own about $10,000 worth of equipment, dont fuck with me and sound systems!!
The stylish convertible introduces a rush of open air that affects nearly everything you hear. Luxury SUVs have a wide range of cabin acoustics that must be carefully accounted for. Sporty sedans have little room for system components. And these are just a few of the factors considered when custom engineering a sound system for any given vehicle.
Selected Bose automotive systems also work to tame the world outside your car, even when you're stuck in noisy traffic. Outside noise is analyzed and the audio system compensates for it so you don't have to constantly adjust the controls. Bose AudioPilot digital processing circuitry even compensates for open windows. Intricate components are also designed to handle extreme temperature changes.
WHY CAN YOU NOT HEAR YOUR DAMN ELS SYSTEM WHEN WINDOWS ARE OPEN??? ITS CALLED TECHNOLOGY, IF YOU CANT KEEP UP WITH IT, SHUT DA FUCK UP!!! :sqntfawk:
WANNA TALK ABOUT FACTS?? HOLLAR AT THAT!! I am a DJ and own about $10,000 worth of equipment, dont fuck with me and sound systems!!
06-08-2004, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dcarlinf1
BTW - $10,000 worth of equipment sounds kind of lame for a professional DJ system. It's probably sufficient for a 6 year old's birthday party though. And, I hope you don't use that kind of language around the little kids.
06-08-2004, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas_TL04
IM NOT A DJ, and I own $100,000 worth of home audio and video equipment. That doesn't mean I know shit about it (even though I do). YOu have obviously fallen for the BOSE marketing trap..which is fine. Take a seat in my 745i with the LOGIC 7 sound, or one of my parents two LS430s with Mark levinson. Then tell me how great BOSE is. It stinks...sound isnt terrible, but nothing compared to the new systems being offered in Lexus, BMW, and select MB and MAYBACH. Bose is very overrated. If you are a true audiofile, then it would be pretty cliche' to have ANYTHING BOSE in your possession.
Thats a lot of BS!! Im sure those sound systems do sound good, but BOSE is def up there, thats all im saying....and video equip has nothing to do with sound...shows how much you know.....
06-08-2004, 04:23 PM
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Umm..plasmas and 65" HDTV's certainly have ALOT to do with completing home theaters...BOSE isn't a piece of crap, but definitely not worth the price. My SONY ES AMP's, Infiniti Kappa's, and 7.1 Surround will kick the crap out of ANYTHING BOSE has on the market.
And what is BS? The 745i? The LS430s? Do I need to present pics? dont call me otu my friend, you are gonna be pretty embarrassed when I deliver the proof!
And what is BS? The 745i? The LS430s? Do I need to present pics? dont call me otu my friend, you are gonna be pretty embarrassed when I deliver the proof!
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Originally Posted by Vegas_TL04
Umm..plasmas and 65" HDTV's certainly have ALOT to do with completing home theaters...BOSE isn't a piece of crap, but definitely not worth the price. My SONY ES AMP's, Infiniti Kappa's, and 7.1 Surround will kick the crap out of ANYTHING BOSE has on the market.
And what is BS? The 745i? The LS430s? Do I need to present pics? dont call me otu my friend, you are gonna be pretty embarrassed when I deliver the proof!
And what is BS? The 745i? The LS430s? Do I need to present pics? dont call me otu my friend, you are gonna be pretty embarrassed when I deliver the proof!
What is BS is that you have 100K worth of audio and video in ur fukin house... and if you do, you dont know how to spend your money and just wasted it....and fuk your infinity kappas man, they aint shit compared to BOSE, they might be loud enough, but turn that to the max and watch them blow....bose will never blow on you, its called quality, something you should learn about.......and you aint embarring shit man....JUST TRY ME...
06-08-2004, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas_TL04
Umm..plasmas and 65" HDTV's certainly have ALOT to do with completing home theaters...BOSE isn't a piece of crap, but definitely not worth the price. My SONY ES AMP's, Infiniti Kappa's, and 7.1 Surround will kick the crap out of ANYTHING BOSE has on the market.
And what is BS? The 745i? The LS430s? Do I need to present pics? dont call me otu my friend, you are gonna be pretty embarrassed when I deliver the proof!
And what is BS? The 745i? The LS430s? Do I need to present pics? dont call me otu my friend, you are gonna be pretty embarrassed when I deliver the proof!
Cant believe your comparing sony to Bose, right there your a dumbshit and shouldnt even waste my time talking to someone so unknowledgable in this subject.....do your research, and ill talk to you in a few years!! :sqntfawk:
06-08-2004, 04:30 PM
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LOL..what grade level have you completed...8 or 9? maybe 10? Grow up..save your BOSE propoganda for an ill-informed BBS that doesn't know shit from shinola pal. Further, everyone who has commented on this board has tried to reason with you and tell you BOSE isn't all that, nor what it used to be.
100K worth of equipment in a 700K home, is hardly BS. 5 Rooms, 3 Plasmas, 2 65" HDTV's, 7.1 THX in every room, Infiniti systems in every room, CD Changers, LD players, DVD players, custom wall units...100K is quite easy to achieve bro. And let me tell you, the neighbors down the block know when my main system is on in the theater room, you can hear it a block away, and feel it. Never blown any speakers...
BTW..im nto engaging in a pissing match with you...im not at all worried about losing....keep spinning those 8 tracks..
100K worth of equipment in a 700K home, is hardly BS. 5 Rooms, 3 Plasmas, 2 65" HDTV's, 7.1 THX in every room, Infiniti systems in every room, CD Changers, LD players, DVD players, custom wall units...100K is quite easy to achieve bro. And let me tell you, the neighbors down the block know when my main system is on in the theater room, you can hear it a block away, and feel it. Never blown any speakers...
BTW..im nto engaging in a pissing match with you...im not at all worried about losing....keep spinning those 8 tracks..
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I always did like the old infinity kappas. I'm sure you have a capable amp given their tough load and crossover?
Although my 'Logans are pretty tough on an amp as well. Me thinks one of my amps would be capable of literally burning a bose speaker to a crisp.
Although my 'Logans are pretty tough on an amp as well. Me thinks one of my amps would be capable of literally burning a bose speaker to a crisp.
06-08-2004, 04:51 PM
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Being a DJ probably means his ears are shot from listening to excessively loud DJ music. What does he know with blown ears. Ask any high end audio dealer about Bose.....they'll tell you they are designed for idiots who can't hear. The system is the new TL is OK...but is far from high end.
06-08-2004, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas_TL04
IM NOT A DJ, and I own $100,000 worth of home audio and video equipment. That doesn't mean I know shit about it (even though I do). YOu have obviously fallen for the BOSE marketing trap..which is fine. Take a seat in my 745i with the LOGIC 7 sound, or one of my parents two LS430s with Mark levinson. Then tell me how great BOSE is. It stinks...sound isnt terrible, but nothing compared to the new systems being offered in Lexus, BMW, and select MB and MAYBACH. Bose is very overrated. If you are a true audiofile, then it would be pretty cliche' to have ANYTHING BOSE in your possession.
sounds like you have a wide range of systems to listen to in addition to your TL...i would like to hear your opinions on the ELS in the TL? How does it compare to the Logic 7 in your 7-series?
06-08-2004, 08:27 PM
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The Levinson system really varies from model to model. The one in the Lexus SC430 is pretty darn nice. Not necessarilly all that accurate, but has good sound. Good enough that I wouldn't change it. ELS is not close, from my limited exposure.
Now, when Lexus used to put in Nakamichi, some of those were nice.
Now, when Lexus used to put in Nakamichi, some of those were nice.
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Originally Posted by DopeTL04
Having a Bose system in your vehicle is much more than just a set of components and the bose logo on the speaker grilles. In fact, numerous acoustic considerations are measured and tested before a system is designed specifically for that car. That's because each vehicle presents its own audio design challenges.
The stylish convertible introduces a rush of open air that affects nearly everything you hear. Luxury SUVs have a wide range of cabin acoustics that must be carefully accounted for. Sporty sedans have little room for system components. And these are just a few of the factors considered when custom engineering a sound system for any given vehicle.
Selected Bose automotive systems also work to tame the world outside your car, even when you're stuck in noisy traffic. Outside noise is analyzed and the audio system compensates for it so you don't have to constantly adjust the controls. Bose AudioPilot digital processing circuitry even compensates for open windows. Intricate components are also designed to handle extreme temperature changes.
WHY CAN YOU NOT HEAR YOUR DAMN ELS SYSTEM WHEN WINDOWS ARE OPEN??? ITS CALLED TECHNOLOGY, IF YOU CANT KEEP UP WITH IT, SHUT DA FUCK UP!!! :sqntfawk:
WANNA TALK ABOUT FACTS?? HOLLAR AT THAT!! I am a DJ and own about $10,000 worth of equipment, dont fuck with me and sound systems!!
The stylish convertible introduces a rush of open air that affects nearly everything you hear. Luxury SUVs have a wide range of cabin acoustics that must be carefully accounted for. Sporty sedans have little room for system components. And these are just a few of the factors considered when custom engineering a sound system for any given vehicle.
Selected Bose automotive systems also work to tame the world outside your car, even when you're stuck in noisy traffic. Outside noise is analyzed and the audio system compensates for it so you don't have to constantly adjust the controls. Bose AudioPilot digital processing circuitry even compensates for open windows. Intricate components are also designed to handle extreme temperature changes.
WHY CAN YOU NOT HEAR YOUR DAMN ELS SYSTEM WHEN WINDOWS ARE OPEN??? ITS CALLED TECHNOLOGY, IF YOU CANT KEEP UP WITH IT, SHUT DA FUCK UP!!! :sqntfawk:
WANNA TALK ABOUT FACTS?? HOLLAR AT THAT!! I am a DJ and own about $10,000 worth of equipment, dont fuck with me and sound systems!!
You my friend are CLUELESS. If you wanna whip out audio systems and compare "length" trust me you will be on the short end...want me to make another web page like before?
DJ systems are not designed for fidelity!
In any case Bose AKA Blose uses about the cheapest drivers in all of audio. The good "doctor" spent a lot of time and effort determining what the average person "thought" was fidelity and realized "that" sound could be made on the cheap. Why is it that Bose requires dealers to place their speakers in an area thay can NOT be A/B tested against other speakers.
Facts are what you are sorely lacking in. Go to ANY audio forum and ask about Bose, you will be flamed within an inch of your life. So sad.
Vandy
PS if you want to hear what quality reproduction sounds like try some speakers like Totem, Red Rose, Revel, Thiel, Magnepan, Geneis, Dynaudio, Apogee, Martin Logan, Meridian with a front end by say Krell or Classe' and power by McCormack, Cary, Tact, Sonic Frontiers et al. Bose can't carry a single one of these companies jocks! Lemme guess you haven't heard of any of them have you dope.
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BTW if you want to read some of what one of the better Audio forums has to say about Bose try this:
http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/search...earchtext=bose
If you read some of the posts you begin to realize how Bose is considered a JOKE by most audiophiles. If you read most of the apparently positive posts you realize they are just jokes, Bose is the Yugo of audio.
Vandy
PS a couple of other good Bose threads on other forums, Bose is about the ONLY thing that audiophiles agree on!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=bose
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...hreadid=105270
http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/search...earchtext=bose
If you read some of the posts you begin to realize how Bose is considered a JOKE by most audiophiles. If you read most of the apparently positive posts you realize they are just jokes, Bose is the Yugo of audio.
Vandy
PS a couple of other good Bose threads on other forums, Bose is about the ONLY thing that audiophiles agree on!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=bose
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...hreadid=105270
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OK, my two cents are that the 02 TLS had a better syustem than the ELS I have now. I had both cars, and I enjoyed the Bose better. I thought it sucked, but I trully think the ELS is horrible. Just bought two Bob Marley, the Blue Man Group, Marvin Gay and Buena Vista Social CLub. All these are DVD-A, and all except one is 5.1 encoded. I spent all this money on just a few titles just to test the sound quality and the 5.1 affect. Conclusion, I aint buying anymore DVD-A disks. It is not worth it. The quality is a little better, but it is not an overwhlming experience or impressive. It is cool, but not cool enought for all of the hipe. Thre is no way I can play both Bob Marley and the Buenavista DVDs that would produce acceptable sound. I'm embarrased to play it loud even. It is primarilly because of the Bass situation. Those DVDs have original instruments with lots of Bass, that in addition to the extra Bass on the ELS is just unbarrable. I turn the Bass all the way down, but then it feels like something is missing and the sound isn't rich. But if I add some Bass then it sounds to thumpy and overpowers the detail sounds.
Music is very important to me. Not a DJ, or a sound specialist. I simply enjoy good sounds. With that said, please help, I need to do something but don't want to spend too much money as I have already on the car and already saving for new tires, alarm system, and tints. Would simply replacing the speakers suffice? WOuld that solve the Bass situation?
Music is very important to me. Not a DJ, or a sound specialist. I simply enjoy good sounds. With that said, please help, I need to do something but don't want to spend too much money as I have already on the car and already saving for new tires, alarm system, and tints. Would simply replacing the speakers suffice? WOuld that solve the Bass situation?
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OK, my two cents are that the 02 TLS had a better syustem than the ELS I have now. I had both cars, and I enjoyed the Bose better. I thought it sucked, but I trully think the ELS is horrible. Just bought two Bob Marley, the Blue Man Group, Marvin Gay and Buena Vista Social CLub. All these are DVD-A, and all except one is 5.1 encoded. I spent all this money on just a few titles just to test the sound quality and the 5.1 affect. Conclusion, I aint buying anymore DVD-A disks. It is not worth it. The quality is a little better, but it is not an overwhlming experience or impressive. It is cool, but not cool enought for all of the hipe. Thre is no way I can play both Bob Marley and the Buenavista DVDs that would produce acceptable sound. I'm embarrased to play it loud even. It is primarilly because of the Bass situation. Those DVDs have original instruments with lots of Bass, that in addition to the extra Bass on the ELS is just unbarrable. I turn the Bass all the way down, but then it feels like something is missing and the sound isn't rich. But if I add some Bass then it sounds to thumpy and overpowers the detail sounds.
Music is very important to me. Not a DJ, or a sound specialist. I simply enjoy good sounds. With that said, please help, I need to do something but don't want to spend too much money as I have already on the car and already saving for new tires, alarm system, and tints. Would simply replacing the speakers suffice? WOuld that solve the Bass situation?
Music is very important to me. Not a DJ, or a sound specialist. I simply enjoy good sounds. With that said, please help, I need to do something but don't want to spend too much money as I have already on the car and already saving for new tires, alarm system, and tints. Would simply replacing the speakers suffice? WOuld that solve the Bass situation?
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Thanks Vandy,
You got a little technical there, but I think I got most of it. I don't really like to relly on the vendor for stuff. They all have an agenda, and unless they are a cousin or family member, they are more likely to go for their best interests. Sure they can provide better sound, but perhaps they migh have achieved a similar result at a lower cost. But I don't know that. I've been there many times. I usually do research myself then go at least with a basic understanding. Nowadays however, too busy and looking for the shortcut. Like if somebody here has done any modifications already and would want to share their thoughts, I would be more comfortable with going to the shop. Thanks again V. Any more thoughts?
You got a little technical there, but I think I got most of it. I don't really like to relly on the vendor for stuff. They all have an agenda, and unless they are a cousin or family member, they are more likely to go for their best interests. Sure they can provide better sound, but perhaps they migh have achieved a similar result at a lower cost. But I don't know that. I've been there many times. I usually do research myself then go at least with a basic understanding. Nowadays however, too busy and looking for the shortcut. Like if somebody here has done any modifications already and would want to share their thoughts, I would be more comfortable with going to the shop. Thanks again V. Any more thoughts?
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I filled out the survey from acura and commented that the sound system felt balanced , but lacked power and highs. I added that they should look into making MB Quart speakers stock. Those speakers are fricking AMAZING !! I installed the premium components with the seperate crossovers in my BMW and couldn't believe the difference. My buddy gave me cd burned with all sorts of test frequencies ( so I could adjust the crossovers ) and it also had some sound effects like smashing glass. With the volume cranked up it felt like it pierced my eardrums !!! 
As far as Bose is concerned. Who cares. I have the Acoustimass 10 dual cube system hooked up to my Onkyo and they sound good. They might not put out 32Khz or anything, but If I can't notice them during a movie then they do the job good enough, right?
I'm not picking sides, you guys both have valid points.
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As far as Bose is concerned. Who cares. I have the Acoustimass 10 dual cube system hooked up to my Onkyo and they sound good. They might not put out 32Khz or anything, but If I can't notice them during a movie then they do the job good enough, right?
I'm not picking sides, you guys both have valid points.
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Originally Posted by SLVR04TL6PD
I filled out the survey from acura and commented that the sound system felt balanced , but lacked power and highs. I added that they should look into making MB Quart speakers stock. Those speakers are fricking AMAZING !! I installed the premium components with the seperate crossovers in my BMW and couldn't believe the difference. My buddy gave me cd burned with all sorts of test frequencies ( so I could adjust the crossovers ) and it also had some sound effects like smashing glass. With the volume cranked up it felt like it pierced my eardrums !!!
As far as Bose is concerned. Who cares. I have the Acoustimass 10 dual cube system hooked up to my Onkyo and they sound good. They might not put out 32Khz or anything, but If I can't notice them during a movie then they do the job good enough, right?
I'm not picking sides, you guys both have valid points.
-Chad
As far as Bose is concerned. Who cares. I have the Acoustimass 10 dual cube system hooked up to my Onkyo and they sound good. They might not put out 32Khz or anything, but If I can't notice them during a movie then they do the job good enough, right?
I'm not picking sides, you guys both have valid points.
-Chad
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One of the early posts mentioned needing new speakers if you changed out the amp because of the possibility of blowing the speakers with a higher powered amp. Just so you know, the vast majority of speakers that are blown are blown because an amp has too little power. This is audio 101.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Cockulus II
Dope, I think you are right. I can't believe the morons in this forum won't just admit that they wasted their money on all sorts of "specialty" audio systems (I know a guy who blew $900 on a pair of front speakers from a company called "dynaudio"... who ever even heard of them?) when only BOSE systems are custom engineered for EACH INDIVIDUAL CAR they are installed in. I have a BOSE system in my car and, like you, I can hear it when the windows are down! AWESOME!!!
Guys, Dope is a DJ with $10,000 worth of equipment. I also have some very expensive equipment. I wish you would just learn to admit when you are wrong. You cannot argue with FACTS. Oh well screw this, I'm going back to listen to my AWESOME BOSE SYSTEM . BYE! :sqntfawk:
Guys, Dope is a DJ with $10,000 worth of equipment. I also have some very expensive equipment. I wish you would just learn to admit when you are wrong. You cannot argue with FACTS. Oh well screw this, I'm going back to listen to my AWESOME BOSE SYSTEM
. BYE! :sqntfawk:
I don't even know where to start with you. I doubt you would regognize a superior sounding stereo system if it bit you in the ASS. Dynaudio makes the finest, most pure sounding, car and home drivers available. Wait, I appoligize I guess they suck because you haven't heard of them. Let me guess you haven't heard of Butler tube drivers, US Amps, Diamond Audio, or Digital Designs. Really, how many have you heard of? I bet 0. I can't believe the ignorance of people in this forum. This guy does not know a single thing about audio reproduction and he's spouting off like he is some expert. Before you jump on a forum and start running your mouth take your pussy little bose system over to a stereo shop and listen to a pair of Dynaudio compenents . Better yet, don't, leave them for at the store for someone who appriciates true sound.
Go here and ask what people think of Dynaudio.
Let put what you said in terms that you would understand. Listen how ignorant this sounds.
"I don't understand why anyone would go out and buy $10,000 would of DJ equipment. My bose home system with a CD changer sounds 10x better than your DJ equipment and I don't have to pay someone to DJ a party for me (I have this friend that paid $900 to this DJ for one party, what a dumb ass, my whole system costs $900). I had the Bose sales man come to my house and "custom design" a stereo for me. It's setup so I can listen inside and outside. It has the bose name on it so it must be better you can't argue with facts!! So, next time I have a party and I can listen to music inside AND outside, I'll be laughing at all you guys that just have your DJ inside and can't hear a damn thing outside!! :lol: "
Now, does that sound like an informed opinion to you? This is what you sound like to anyone that knows the first thing about audio reproduction. :noob: :sqntfawk:
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This thread has been amazing! There are a few people here that REALLY know their stuff and a few that haven't a clue and have bought into the advertising propaganda. However, Please understand that the majority of the population do not know how to listen and do not know what great sound is. Many do not have the ability to distinguish good sound from poor sound, or to hear various types of distortion and noise, etc. This is not a put down, just a fact. Not everyone has "great ears". To them, if it's LOUD, it's GOOD. These folks are who the typical car audio system is built for.
I am a professional audio engineer since the 70's. I DESIGN and BUILD the stuff, I don't just twiddle the knobs like ELS.
As well as new product development, my company manages manufacturing and sourcing from overseas. I KNOW what the typical car stereo product costs and sounds like, because we analyze and QC them. MOST are CRAP! A low-end AM/FM Cassette Stereo costs $7! The typical OEM car speaker costs less than $2. It is no wonder that a set of MB Quart or Boston Acoustics drivers can quickly and easily upgrade the sound in most any car. Just plug 'em in. You can worry about balancing them later. Of course the sky's the limit as far as how much you want to spend. Dynaudio is a GREAT way to go if you can afford 'em. FYI Doc, they have been around since the 70's and have invented many new loudspeaker technologies. They KICK ASS!
I've had the Bose system - CRAP. I've had the JBL Pro system - CRAP. The ELS in the TL is tolerable, but barely. I will change out my speakers as soon as I have time to deal with it. The best Mark Levinson I have heard was in the ES330, better than the others, IMHO, but still not adequate for the money.
The BIGGEST problem with the ELS system, as far as I am concerned, is that they went to the trouble to put in a 5.1 capable system, and left out the decoder to derive surround from all of our existing CDs! DTS makes a GREAT decoder algorithm called "Neo 6" and Acura already paid for it with the DTS license, but they didn't include it in the system! This relegates the Acura 5.1 system to the level of "gadget" instead of being a useful feature. Too bad.
I am a professional audio engineer since the 70's. I DESIGN and BUILD the stuff, I don't just twiddle the knobs like ELS.
As well as new product development, my company manages manufacturing and sourcing from overseas. I KNOW what the typical car stereo product costs and sounds like, because we analyze and QC them. MOST are CRAP! A low-end AM/FM Cassette Stereo costs $7! The typical OEM car speaker costs less than $2. It is no wonder that a set of MB Quart or Boston Acoustics drivers can quickly and easily upgrade the sound in most any car. Just plug 'em in. You can worry about balancing them later. Of course the sky's the limit as far as how much you want to spend. Dynaudio is a GREAT way to go if you can afford 'em. FYI Doc, they have been around since the 70's and have invented many new loudspeaker technologies. They KICK ASS!
I've had the Bose system - CRAP. I've had the JBL Pro system - CRAP. The ELS in the TL is tolerable, but barely. I will change out my speakers as soon as I have time to deal with it. The best Mark Levinson I have heard was in the ES330, better than the others, IMHO, but still not adequate for the money.
The BIGGEST problem with the ELS system, as far as I am concerned, is that they went to the trouble to put in a 5.1 capable system, and left out the decoder to derive surround from all of our existing CDs! DTS makes a GREAT decoder algorithm called "Neo 6" and Acura already paid for it with the DTS license, but they didn't include it in the system! This relegates the Acura 5.1 system to the level of "gadget" instead of being a useful feature. Too bad.
06-09-2004, 02:28 AM
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did you scare away dope? i have had mixed results with the bose stuff in our family... the noise canceling headphones are pretty good, but the system that came with my mom's 300zx... thats a whole nother story that i dont want to get into
Also, whatever happened to waymay?
Also, whatever happened to waymay?
06-09-2004, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by automophile
This thread has been amazing! There are a few people here that REALLY know their stuff and a few that haven't a clue and have bought into the advertising propaganda. However, Please understand that the majority of the population do not know how to listen and do not know what great sound is. Many do not have the ability to distinguish good sound from poor sound, or to hear various types of distortion and noise, etc. This is not a put down, just a fact. Not everyone has "great ears". To them, if it's LOUD, it's GOOD. These folks are who the typical car audio system is built for.
I am a professional audio engineer since the 70's. I DESIGN and BUILD the stuff, I don't just twiddle the knobs like ELS.
As well as new product development, my company manages manufacturing and sourcing from overseas. I KNOW what the typical car stereo product costs and sounds like, because we analyze and QC them. MOST are CRAP! A low-end AM/FM Cassette Stereo costs $7! The typical OEM car speaker costs less than $2. It is no wonder that a set of MB Quart or Boston Acoustics drivers can quickly and easily upgrade the sound in most any car. Just plug 'em in. You can worry about balancing them later. Of course the sky's the limit as far as how much you want to spend. Dynaudio is a GREAT way to go if you can afford 'em. FYI Doc, they have been around since the 70's and have invented many new loudspeaker technologies. They KICK ASS!
I've had the Bose system - CRAP. I've had the JBL Pro system - CRAP. The ELS in the TL is tolerable, but barely. I will change out my speakers as soon as I have time to deal with it. The best Mark Levinson I have heard was in the ES330, better than the others, IMHO, but still not adequate for the money.
The BIGGEST problem with the ELS system, as far as I am concerned, is that they went to the trouble to put in a 5.1 capable system, and left out the decoder to derive surround from all of our existing CDs! DTS makes a GREAT decoder algorithm called "Neo 6" and Acura already paid for it with the DTS license, but they didn't include it in the system! This relegates the Acura 5.1 system to the level of "gadget" instead of being a useful feature. Too bad.
I am a professional audio engineer since the 70's. I DESIGN and BUILD the stuff, I don't just twiddle the knobs like ELS.
As well as new product development, my company manages manufacturing and sourcing from overseas. I KNOW what the typical car stereo product costs and sounds like, because we analyze and QC them. MOST are CRAP! A low-end AM/FM Cassette Stereo costs $7! The typical OEM car speaker costs less than $2. It is no wonder that a set of MB Quart or Boston Acoustics drivers can quickly and easily upgrade the sound in most any car. Just plug 'em in. You can worry about balancing them later. Of course the sky's the limit as far as how much you want to spend. Dynaudio is a GREAT way to go if you can afford 'em. FYI Doc, they have been around since the 70's and have invented many new loudspeaker technologies. They KICK ASS!
I've had the Bose system - CRAP. I've had the JBL Pro system - CRAP. The ELS in the TL is tolerable, but barely. I will change out my speakers as soon as I have time to deal with it. The best Mark Levinson I have heard was in the ES330, better than the others, IMHO, but still not adequate for the money.
The BIGGEST problem with the ELS system, as far as I am concerned, is that they went to the trouble to put in a 5.1 capable system, and left out the decoder to derive surround from all of our existing CDs! DTS makes a GREAT decoder algorithm called "Neo 6" and Acura already paid for it with the DTS license, but they didn't include it in the system! This relegates the Acura 5.1 system to the level of "gadget" instead of being a useful feature. Too bad.
06-09-2004, 05:10 AM
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Like someone said earlier, go out and spend 1500 $ for the "upgraded" Bose sound system on a car, or go to a pro car audio shop with 1500 $, please tell me that the system you get their will be about 3 times better than the Bose.
Simple case in point: I spent about 800$ on my Onkyo Home Theatre system. My father in law purchased a Bose system for 2300$. After hearing mine, he took his system back for a refund.
Case Closed. He realized that he was caught up in the propaganda/marketing of Bose. You do not get what you pay for. Nuff said.
DopeTL04= Bose Information Minister
Simple case in point: I spent about 800$ on my Onkyo Home Theatre system. My father in law purchased a Bose system for 2300$. After hearing mine, he took his system back for a refund.
Case Closed. He realized that he was caught up in the propaganda/marketing of Bose. You do not get what you pay for. Nuff said.
DopeTL04= Bose Information Minister
06-09-2004, 05:38 AM
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You all don't know crap. Sparkomatic and Kraco make the best systems around. And you can go to K-Mart and get the entire system with a high power, Class A amp in one box for around $75. Can't be beat anywhere.
Bose is not the worst crap out there. They are adequate for most people, if they cut the price by 50%. For the money you can do much better. Their "home theater" systems suck big time. I looked at them when setting up my den. Garbage. And SvageTL is correct, you can never do a side by side with Bose. They won't allow it. The wife wanted Bose speakers because they're small. I said no way. My Polk system components are a bit bigger but it rocks.
Where did Dopey go? Maybe he had a DJ job to do.
Supdawg - beautiful.
Bose is not the worst crap out there. They are adequate for most people, if they cut the price by 50%. For the money you can do much better. Their "home theater" systems suck big time. I looked at them when setting up my den. Garbage. And SvageTL is correct, you can never do a side by side with Bose. They won't allow it. The wife wanted Bose speakers because they're small. I said no way. My Polk system components are a bit bigger but it rocks.
Where did Dopey go? Maybe he had a DJ job to do.
Supdawg - beautiful.
06-09-2004, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tlguy99
*Begin Rant*
I don't even know where to start with you. I doubt you would regognize a superior sounding stereo system if it bit you in the ASS. Dynaudio makes the finest, most pure sounding, car and home drivers available. Wait, I appoligize I guess they suck because you haven't heard of them. Let me guess you haven't heard of Butler tube drivers, US Amps, Diamond Audio, or Digital Designs. Really, how many have you heard of? I bet 0. I can't believe the ignorance of people in this forum. This guy does not know a single thing about audio reproduction and he's spouting off like he is some expert. Before you jump on a forum and start running your mouth take your pussy little bose system over to a stereo shop and listen to a pair of Dynaudio compenents . Better yet, don't, leave them for at the store for someone who appriciates true sound.
Go here and ask what people think of Dynaudio.
Let put what you said in terms that you would understand. Listen how ignorant this sounds.
"I don't understand why anyone would go out and buy $10,000 would of DJ equipment. My bose home system with a CD changer sounds 10x better than your DJ equipment and I don't have to pay someone to DJ a party for me (I have this friend that paid $900 to this DJ for one party, what a dumb ass, my whole system costs $900). I had the Bose sales man come to my house and "custom design" a stereo for me. It's setup so I can listen inside and outside. It has the bose name on it so it must be better you can't argue with facts!! So, next time I have a party and I can listen to music inside AND outside, I'll be laughing at all you guys that just have your DJ inside and can't hear a damn thing outside!! :lol: "
Now, does that sound like an informed opinion to you? This is what you sound like to anyone that knows the first thing about audio reproduction. :noob: :sqntfawk:
*End Rant*
Thank you.
I don't even know where to start with you. I doubt you would regognize a superior sounding stereo system if it bit you in the ASS. Dynaudio makes the finest, most pure sounding, car and home drivers available. Wait, I appoligize I guess they suck because you haven't heard of them. Let me guess you haven't heard of Butler tube drivers, US Amps, Diamond Audio, or Digital Designs. Really, how many have you heard of? I bet 0. I can't believe the ignorance of people in this forum. This guy does not know a single thing about audio reproduction and he's spouting off like he is some expert. Before you jump on a forum and start running your mouth take your pussy little bose system over to a stereo shop and listen to a pair of Dynaudio compenents . Better yet, don't, leave them for at the store for someone who appriciates true sound.
Go here and ask what people think of Dynaudio.
Let put what you said in terms that you would understand. Listen how ignorant this sounds.
"I don't understand why anyone would go out and buy $10,000 would of DJ equipment. My bose home system with a CD changer sounds 10x better than your DJ equipment and I don't have to pay someone to DJ a party for me (I have this friend that paid $900 to this DJ for one party, what a dumb ass, my whole system costs $900). I had the Bose sales man come to my house and "custom design" a stereo for me. It's setup so I can listen inside and outside. It has the bose name on it so it must be better you can't argue with facts!! So, next time I have a party and I can listen to music inside AND outside, I'll be laughing at all you guys that just have your DJ inside and can't hear a damn thing outside!! :lol: "
Now, does that sound like an informed opinion to you? This is what you sound like to anyone that knows the first thing about audio reproduction. :noob: :sqntfawk:
*End Rant*
Thank you.
06-09-2004, 07:58 AM
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Automophile,
Please give us your recommendations. Personally, I am interested in speakers alone at this time and maybe a new amp or two in the future. I intend to stick with the stock head unit. I also don't want to spend 5k on a system. More like $1000-1500. We would appreciate your efforts to steer us in the right direction. I have been looking at Alpine so far. What is your opinion on Alpine gear?
Thanks in advance.
Please give us your recommendations. Personally, I am interested in speakers alone at this time and maybe a new amp or two in the future. I intend to stick with the stock head unit. I also don't want to spend 5k on a system. More like $1000-1500. We would appreciate your efforts to steer us in the right direction. I have been looking at Alpine so far. What is your opinion on Alpine gear?
Thanks in advance.
06-09-2004, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by grudax
One of the early posts mentioned needing new speakers if you changed out the amp because of the possibility of blowing the speakers with a higher powered amp. Just so you know, the vast majority of speakers that are blown are blown because an amp has too little power. This is audio 101.
This is absolutely 100% correct. I thought about netioning it BUT I had taken Dope to task already and decided not to go further. Speakers "blow" 99.9% of the time due to the amp "clipping". Clipping is a term of art describing when the audio wave form is flattened at the top and bottom of the wave due to the amp not being able to provude enough current to prevent this. A driver moves in and out is a wave produced by the increase and decrease of voltage from the amp (it goes from ngative to positive). When the current capacity of the amp is reached it can't move the driver out to the top and bottom of the wave, these flat spots cause the speaker to sit for a moment not moving in or out, as a result heat builds up and the driver fails. Most people can hear this distortion of clipping before it causes damage, they just have to be willing to turn it down! A speaker car be blown with significantly more power than it is designed to handle, even if the amp is not clipping, however in reality this is a rare case.
For the original poster, I understand your reluctance to put your cars in the hands of a installer without information. Indeed everyone has an agenda, but if you spend your reserach finding a good installer this goes a long way to preventing problems. I suggest finding one of the higher end car audio forums and get info there and balance this against what the good installer you pick in your area says to do. Don't forget you need to know what you want to change and what you are looking far as far as sound goes before you ask what do I do. Best bet beyond recommendations in your area is to go and LISTEN, you need to listen to 8-10 different speaker setups at a minamum. Arm yourself with some basic info then go listen to installs in your area, then get advice on your plan from others, if you are so inclined solicit opinion of the proposed system. One thing important about audio is to be aware of your budget and let others in the process know this budget.
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06-09-2004, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dcarlinf1
Automophile,
Please give us your recommendations. Personally, I am interested in speakers alone at this time and maybe a new amp or two in the future. I intend to stick with the stock head unit. I also don't want to spend 5k on a system. More like $1000-1500. We would appreciate your efforts to steer us in the right direction. I have been looking at Alpine so far. What is your opinion on Alpine gear?
Thanks in advance.
Please give us your recommendations. Personally, I am interested in speakers alone at this time and maybe a new amp or two in the future. I intend to stick with the stock head unit. I also don't want to spend 5k on a system. More like $1000-1500. We would appreciate your efforts to steer us in the right direction. I have been looking at Alpine so far. What is your opinion on Alpine gear?
Thanks in advance.
So 400 bucks for the fronts and 300 for the rears, and we'll figure out what to do with the center/sub later.
As far as alpine goes, they make great head units and amps...there are better speakers out there for the money though. Check out some of the car audio forums.
cheers!
06-09-2004, 09:43 AM
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I'm don't plan to replace my head unit, just everything else. If you plan to repalce the head unit and really care about sound quality first, you cannot beat this deal righ now:
http://www.cardomain.com/item/ROCRFX8250
Tha unit is actually made by Denon and is rock solid. Would look great with an ebony or quartz interior to boot.
http://www.cardomain.com/item/ROCRFX8250
Tha unit is actually made by Denon and is rock solid. Would look great with an ebony or quartz interior to boot.
