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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 06:51 PM
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'04TL Navi question

Does it offer a 3D-view? I have only seen the top-down view on the Acura that is common on all GPS systems.

For those folks who don't know, a 3D-view provides a display that shows streets from the driver's perspective, with the display constantly moving depending on where the car is heading. The display looks effectively like what you see looking out your front windshield, complete with a horizon and streets being shaped by the curvature of hills and the earth.

If you haven't seen 3D-view before, here's an example from TomTom USA's PDA software:



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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 08:05 PM
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Nope! Current NAVI system does not offer 3D view, but looks like it'd be a cool upgrade ...
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 08:13 PM
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it does have 3D exit and on-ramp viewings
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 08:25 PM
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I hadn't seen 3D before. I find it much more natural than 2D.
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 08:28 PM
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i find the 2D "bird's eye view" much more intuitive
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 08:56 PM
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If you look on page 32 of the '04TL brochure, you will see that the car DOES have birdeye view, complete with horizon. You can even view in in a split screen if you wish.
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 10:53 PM
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I think most of ppl here buying 04TL should already test-drive G35, right? That's 3D, too. But I don't like its way to display the GPS info.

Ever saw some Japan GPS system, which are better... I wish I can find and post it.


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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by ramilford
If you look on page 32 of the '04TL brochure, you will see that the car DOES have birdeye view, complete with horizon. You can even view in in a split screen if you wish.
Is that the same brochure which says the TL has turn signals in the mirrors?
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 11:39 PM
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This is not the best yet, I will post it if getting others...
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 01:34 AM
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I didn't like the 3D Birdseye view in the Infiniti. When you get closer to the horizon, all the lines from the streets start jumbling and making a mess. Plus, Infinit's system is not touch-screen.
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 01:56 AM
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Hokey smokes, rets! You've got to be pulling our leg with that Navigation picture, aren't you? I've been playing with a lot of GPS software with PDAs, and I've never seen a display that detailed.

I find the 3D view a lot more user-friendly. The 3D view is basically the raw info that you need from your perspective (without too much clutter if you can turn off most of the POI displays). The only time that I find the bird's-eye view more useful is when the Navi messes up and sends you off in the wrong direction/bad routing. Then, you can use the bird's-eye view to see the streets that you should be taking instead of what has been routed.

Now what would be totally cool would be a heads-up display that would project navigation information onto your windshield, overlaying directional arrows and basic Navi info onto your view through the windshield. I guess that they'll come out with that in 2005. :lol2:

The Navi system on the TL looks to be about 2-3 years behind the technology curve. The displays that I have seen during my test drives are less detailed and more amateurish than what is currently available on PDAs. As long as it works well for routing/rerouting, POI, and voice control, I guess I'll be happy.

I fooled around with the Infiniti navigation system and I agree with Brokedoc - the Infiniti system blows. In my purchase decision, the 2004 Infiniti G35 was a cheaper offering than the TL, since the Navi was a "got-to-have" on the TL and the GPS on the G35 was a "wouldn't-have". This made the G35 about $1K cheaper for a comparably decked-out machine, and the G35 sedan was discountable.

I still got the TL, though.

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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by żGotJazz?
Hokey smokes, rets! You've got to be pulling our leg with that Navigation picture, aren't you? I've been playing with a lot of GPS software with PDAs, and I've never seen a display that detailed.

I find the 3D view a lot more user-friendly. The 3D view is basically the raw info that you need from your perspective (without too much clutter if you can turn off most of the POI displays). The only time that I find the bird's-eye view more useful is when the Navi messes up and sends you off in the wrong direction/bad routing. Then, you can use the bird's-eye view to see the streets that you should be taking instead of what has been routed.

Now what would be totally cool would be a heads-up display that would project navigation information onto your windshield, overlaying directional arrows and basic Navi info onto your view through the windshield. I guess that they'll come out with that in 2005. :lol2:

The Navi system on the TL looks to be about 2-3 years behind the technology curve. The displays that I have seen during my test drives are less detailed and more amateurish than what is currently available on PDAs. As long as it works well for routing/rerouting, POI, and voice control, I guess I'll be happy.

I fooled around with the Infiniti navigation system and I agree with Brokedoc - the Infiniti system blows. In my purchase decision, the 2004 Infiniti G35 was a cheaper offering than the TL, since the Navi was a "got-to-have" on the TL and the GPS on the G35 was a "wouldn't-have". This made the G35 about $1K cheaper for a comparably decked-out machine, and the G35 sedan was discountable.

I still got the TL, though.

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I believe this is still the test version for some particular cities. They have to program and memorize those streets and buildings in order to form this kind of image display. It may be still a long way to go. Customers may need to have more frequent updates than ever, it means more $$$, so the system would keep streets info accurate.

I don't like G35's GPS, either.


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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 09:42 PM
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rets, if your posting was actually serious - where did you get that display from?

If you weren't serious, that would explain the strange pulling pain that I feel in my leg.

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Old Dec 26, 2003 | 12:10 AM
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I got it in September, while searching for a new car. My disk has saved tons of pics for things. Sorry, no details at this moment.

If I could get the links or further info, I'll provide to you.

Relax. It's still the beta version. Our technology will catch them soon.


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Old Dec 26, 2003 | 12:43 AM
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Japan has had that style navi display for years now. Akihabara has it all ! Here is an example:

http://www.kenwood.com/j/products/carnavi/index.html
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Old Dec 26, 2003 | 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by steveinathens
Japan has had that style navi display for years now. Akihabara has it all ! Here is an example:

http://www.kenwood.com/j/products/carnavi/index.html

Thanks. U are the winner...
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Old Dec 26, 2003 | 06:02 AM
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I guess if you have an entire DVD to use up, you can stick a lot of detailed information on there if you are only covering Japan!

Now, for something slightly off-topic since it got a neuron to fire:

The extra Navi detail in Japan could be a lot more important out of necessity.

I have heard (but never was able to prove) that building numbers on streets are ordered by age and not by location as we do here in the 'states. So, what I heard was that the first building on a street would be numbered "1", the second building built would be "2", even if it was blocks away. Building number "37" could easily be between the two.

Can anyone substantiate that?
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Old Dec 26, 2003 | 12:13 PM
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i dont remember that in particular, but i do remember the dificulty of finding buildings in tokyo varied from place to place. for example, one building could be easy as hell to find, but then another be damn near impossible. not sure if that was because of the numbering scheme, or just the fact that its a big ( understatement ) city...
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Old Dec 26, 2003 | 12:34 PM
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It's really out of our topic, but you have a right to know the anwers.

Postal Information for JP

Japanese Address Formats


I don't think GPS will be bothered by this complicated insularity system.

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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 01:19 AM
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The Japanese Insight does have the 3D display mode...

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...nt%2Fnavi.html



"Three-dimensional building indication
In the 3D urban map picture, indicating the building in three-dimensional view. As for point of view angle the adjustment of 5 stages is possible."
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 01:41 AM
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With the exception of major roads, Japanese streets are not named. Instead, cities and towns are subdivided into areas, subareas and blocks, similar to the insulae system of the Roman empire. To complicate the matter, houses within each subarea were formerly not numbered in geographical sequence but in the temporal order in which they were constructed. (My emphasis - żGotJazz?)
Gracias, rets! :bowdown: You are the master!

It's nice to know that the friend that told me that a decade-or-two ago wasn't pulling my leg. I've always wondered whether it really was true or not.

Isn't the Internet a truly wonderful thing?

NOX 3.2 - Very cool - thanks for the "In"site. It's a shame that Honda supports this, but we can't get it here in North America. I'm guessing we'd be going from a 2 DVD Navi system to a 20+ DVD system to support this here, though.

The Insight also has other nifty features, I see! Nice site (for the parts that translated well) ...
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