Will You Buy A Supercharger...adds 40 To 60 More Hp
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In all actuallity, I don't really know if I would purchase the S/C. I have read to many things from people that have used Comptech's S/C's on their V6's, and they always end up taking them off. I guess if I really want to race someone, I'll just take my Surpa for a spin.
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Originally Posted by TLover
No. This TL is a long-term car for me. A supercharger would definitely shorten its lifespan.
Definitely? Where's your data to back that up? The amount of boost the Comptech S/C puts out is so minimal and the amount of fuel added to compensate, plus colder plugs makes the kit ridiculously SAFE. Comptech wouldn't be backed by Honda/Acura if their products (Comptech) shortened the lifespan of their product (Honda/Acura).
03-07-2005, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rs808
I really want the supercharger but I'm not sure I can justify spending $5000 (with installation) on 40hp.
It won't be $5,000. The current 2nd gen kit can be had for around $3,600 and i'd expect the 3rd gen kit to be very similar. A fair price increase will be added because an ECU re-flash is required on the 3rd gen. Also, install shouldn't be more than $700.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Definitely? Where's your data to back that up? The amount of boost the Comptech S/C puts out is so minimal and the amount of fuel added to compensate, plus colder plugs makes the kit ridiculously SAFE. Comptech wouldn't be backed by Honda/Acura if their products (Comptech) shortened the lifespan of their product (Honda/Acura).
03-07-2005, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty
Nope,
Not enough bang for my buck...
I'm sure the price will be between $4K-$6K. One can get 40 hp for 10% of that w/NOS
The next question would be if thats "net" HP gain?? I would sure hope so.. If not, you would be lucky to see 10-20 of the advertised 40... "Remember", superchargers take/use hp to make hp.... Turbo's do not.
Now, give me a 40-50% "gross" hp gain over stock and I would ponder the idea.. But you would probably never see that with the TL engine given "add-ons".
Not enough bang for my buck...
I'm sure the price will be between $4K-$6K. One can get 40 hp for 10% of that w/NOS
The next question would be if thats "net" HP gain?? I would sure hope so.. If not, you would be lucky to see 10-20 of the advertised 40... "Remember", superchargers take/use hp to make hp.... Turbo's do not.
Now, give me a 40-50% "gross" hp gain over stock and I would ponder the idea.. But you would probably never see that with the TL engine given "add-ons".
Totally wrong to compare NOS to supercharger/turbo. NOS is only used during WOT runs and will only last 2 minutes and you'll need a bottle refil. Sure its cheap speed, but for enhancing the daily driving experience you can't beat a superchager/turbo.
Comptech rates the gains from all their products as WHEEL horsepower. You'll easily get 40whp from the 3rd gen TL kit.
The base kit is extremely conservative. The J32 has been proven to handle even more boost with no problems at all. My car makes 100+ more whp than in stock form. All with Comptech parts. And in normal driving conditions you wouldn't even know its there. The daily driver factor is still totally intact.
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Originally Posted by TLover
Experience is my data. I know many people who have added supercharger/turbos to their cars. If you don't think it'll shorten the life of your car, then buy one and see if it'll last to 150,000 miles.
I have one, and my car is at 88k miles.
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Originally Posted by RhythmAddict
If there were some chance in hell you could stick that kind of power to the ground without spending a lot more than the initial ~5k, than no, I still would not because warranty would go bye-bye.
Nope, I have no trouble sticking 300whp to the ground. Also all my Comptech parts were installed by my Acura dealership. Read = warranty intact.
03-07-2005, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by crazymjb
I heard on this forum that using forced induction on a car with this high compression ration could cause knocking even with high octane fuels. Also would get a better deal with NOS. I know its a completly diff power additive but I dont think Id drop 5 on a super or turbo charger. The FWD would also be a problem. Now if they made an ECU upgrade...
Upgraded fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator are included in the Comptech kit. Allows more than enough fuel to be supplied to the motor with the added boost. The car runs much more rich (about 2.0-2.5 full A/F points) than when my car was N/A. No detonation.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
I have one, and my car is at 88k miles.
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Originally Posted by k6biv
Hello:
From what Comptech told me there will be over 300WHP with the S/C installed. From what I have been told my 04TL AT has about 225WHP now. If this is true the S/C would add about 75WHP..
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From what Comptech told me there will be over 300WHP with the S/C installed. From what I have been told my 04TL AT has about 225WHP now. If this is true the S/C would add about 75WHP..
Tim
On the 6-speed it'll be close to 300whp, but without larger headers, the 3rd gen will be choked up a little compared to the 2nd gen. I'd say the 5AT will be close to 260whp with full catback exhaust and the 6-speed will be near 285.
03-07-2005, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TLover
Well, 88K is far from 150K. I didn't say a supercharger would immediately damage or otherwise cause something to go wrong with your car. I said it would shorten its life.
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You can't compare your "friend's cars" to the J32 in these cars. Sorry, apples to apples please...
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Definitely? Where's your data to back that up? The amount of boost the Comptech S/C puts out is so minimal and the amount of fuel added to compensate, plus colder plugs makes the kit ridiculously SAFE. Comptech wouldn't be backed by Honda/Acura if their products (Comptech) shortened the lifespan of their product (Honda/Acura).
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Originally Posted by Acura_Kid
I can only assume that Comptech did not do their market research. With all of these posts saying no to spending $5k for 40-70hp, why would Comptech spend time and money trying to build something that nobody wants?
With simple off-the-shelf NoS kits and parts available it would make much more sense if Comptech would R&D a off-the-shelf kit and tweak it for the TL. The s/c does give the low end a big boost, but in this fwd car it may be pointless. A single wet NoS "fogger" nozzle is the only nozzle needed. With a fogger one could get almost +50% more top end hp !!
With simple off-the-shelf NoS kits and parts available it would make much more sense if Comptech would R&D a off-the-shelf kit and tweak it for the TL. The s/c does give the low end a big boost, but in this fwd car it may be pointless. A single wet NoS "fogger" nozzle is the only nozzle needed. With a fogger one could get almost +50% more top end hp !!
I'm sure well over a 100 2nd gen and Accord kits have been sold so their market research is based on great success with their previous kit. Trust me, people will buy it.
And I already covered the NOS vs. Supercharger in a previous post...
03-07-2005, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TLover
And my point was, if one is trying to make the car last as long as possible, installing forced induction is not the best way to go about it.
Fair enough, but it's pretty bold to say it will DEFINITELY shorten the lifespan of the engine without anything other than "your friend's" experiences to back up your claims. Especially when said experience isn't with these cars.
03-07-2005, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock
Are you guys crazy? $5000+/- for 60 hp? Besides the cost, the car isn't designed to handle that much extra power. Get a M3 if you want more power...the car is built to handle that kind of power. Acura is a nice car, but it's not a race car no matter what you do to the engine...the car just isn't designed to handle that much extra power.
It may not have been designed to handle the increased power, but it has no problem doing so.
03-07-2005, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by r10apple
The point of Comptech is that it is quality to the point where you really won't be "fiddling" with anything. Install and go. 100k miles would require servicing of the s/c unit, but so would most of your car. There are many people with 2nd gens with 30k, 40k miles or more and no issues with the unit at all. The 6speed likely will never have an issue with the transmission and this mod, the auto, well, I know my local dealer honors the factory warranty even with Comptech products installed.
Jetjock: The Acura won't--can't--compete with an M3 on any level, but a $35k TL with a $5k s/c kit will be far more reliable than a stock M3 for a longer period of time and have reasonable performance (on top of still saving $20k). Though it is a completely different driving experience and certainly, an awd or rwd platform is better, I find a 275whp Acura to be a fun experience...
Acura_Kid: Most of us want the instant, regular benefit of power without the hassle of NOS and without the side-affects of it either. For many of us the cost offsets increased, regular reliability and performance.
Jetjock: The Acura won't--can't--compete with an M3 on any level, but a $35k TL with a $5k s/c kit will be far more reliable than a stock M3 for a longer period of time and have reasonable performance (on top of still saving $20k). Though it is a completely different driving experience and certainly, an awd or rwd platform is better, I find a 275whp Acura to be a fun experience...
Acura_Kid: Most of us want the instant, regular benefit of power without the hassle of NOS and without the side-affects of it either. For many of us the cost offsets increased, regular reliability and performance.
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Originally Posted by PoochaKannInc
In my view the $4-5K is relatively cheap for a product that has been tested and will be installed with minimal modifications & "babying" necessary. Based on 2nd gen CL/TL setups, this is not a car that is going to stall at lights, to sputter and die if you arent reckless with the throttle, etc. etc. it will perform as before but with more low end torque.
It is not just the power levels, it is also the user-friendliness of the kit. How many people want to deal with filling up the NOS, making sure the kit is working correctly, that the bottle warmer works, etc. etc. Or with a custom turbo, tweaking boost levels, etc. etc.
It is not just the power levels, it is also the user-friendliness of the kit. How many people want to deal with filling up the NOS, making sure the kit is working correctly, that the bottle warmer works, etc. etc. Or with a custom turbo, tweaking boost levels, etc. etc.
Exactly. It really is a "bolt-on" kit. It is great. No hassles really. Keep and eye on fuel pressure, the belt, and check plugs from time to time and just "enjoy the drive."
03-07-2005, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Fair enough, but it's pretty bold to say it will DEFINITELY shorten the lifespan of the engine without anything other than "your friend's" experiences to back up your claims. Especially when said experience isn't with these cars.
03-08-2005, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wakattack
Ahh the supercharger will be a excellent way to introduce tranny problems! 
meh...sure it opens up an additional issue but put it this way. My transmission failed when my car was BONE stock, not a single mod. Now i've creased the power output by about 140hp and no slippage.
03-08-2005, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
I had a CL-S. Same drivetrain as the 3rd gen TL, no torque steer.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Nope. Goes straight. This "torque steer" topic has been brought up many times in the 2nd Gen forums and the general answer is no torque steer.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Sorry to hear that...
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Originally Posted by EZZ
You're also comparing your 2nd gen engine to the 3rd gen engine...which isn't the same. They upped the 3rd gen's compression. Not really good for FI.
It's not like the CR skyrocketed. It's a change of 10.5:1 vs 11.0:1.
The S2000 runs higher compression than the CL or the 3rd Gen TL and has no problem boosting 6psi.
Increasing the compression ratio will actually give better horsepower increases on the 3rd gen TL engine vs. the 2nd gen engine given the same amount of boost.
03-08-2005, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
It's not like the CR skyrocketed. It's a change of 10.5:1 vs 11.0:1.
The S2000 runs higher compression than the CL or the 3rd Gen TL and has no problem boosting 6psi.
Increasing the compression ratio will actually give better horsepower increases on the 3rd gen TL engine vs. the 2nd gen engine given the same amount of boost.
The S2000 runs higher compression than the CL or the 3rd Gen TL and has no problem boosting 6psi.
Increasing the compression ratio will actually give better horsepower increases on the 3rd gen TL engine vs. the 2nd gen engine given the same amount of boost.
03-08-2005, 04:31 PM
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40hp is the rough estimate right now. Most 6-speed CL Type-S cars with the Comptech S/C and base pulley (4psi of boost) make closer to 60whp more than before they installed the S/C'er. The increase in CR and ECU reflash will most definitely make up for the lack of having headers on the 3rd Gen.
Also, my "assumption" that the Comptech S/C will be safe is based on Comptech's history and close relationship with Honda/Acura. Honda/Acura dealerships aren't going to install a kit and keep the warranty intact on a kit that isn't safe.
Oh and where is this $5,000 figure coming from?
You'll see a huge increase in power all across the powerband. It isn't like an intake or exhaust where you see all the power gained up top. From off idle up to redline, you'll see 40-60whp increases.
Look at the increases:
You can see the gains start early at about a 25whp increase. Go into vtec and i'm seeing 40whp increase, at redline i'm seeing a 70whp increase.
Oh and I have an automatic transmission.
Also, my "assumption" that the Comptech S/C will be safe is based on Comptech's history and close relationship with Honda/Acura. Honda/Acura dealerships aren't going to install a kit and keep the warranty intact on a kit that isn't safe.
Oh and where is this $5,000 figure coming from?
You'll see a huge increase in power all across the powerband. It isn't like an intake or exhaust where you see all the power gained up top. From off idle up to redline, you'll see 40-60whp increases.
Look at the increases:
You can see the gains start early at about a 25whp increase. Go into vtec and i'm seeing 40whp increase, at redline i'm seeing a 70whp increase.
Oh and I have an automatic transmission.
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It isn't like you just slap this kit on and go.
The 3rd gen kit will include:
ECU reflash
Higher flow fuel pump
Fuel pressure regulator
Colder spark plugs.
Comptech's engineering is excellent. Why do you think it takes so long for their products to come out?
The 3rd gen kit will include:
ECU reflash
Higher flow fuel pump
Fuel pressure regulator
Colder spark plugs.
Comptech's engineering is excellent. Why do you think it takes so long for their products to come out?
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Are you sure about Acura honoring the warranty? Comptech's Web site say nothing about Acura or Honda warrantying the installation of a SC. I think that would be a key selling point if that were the case. Also, the 2nd Gen SC cost $4,495 on Comptech's site without install, so $5,000 install for the 3rd Gen isn't far-fetched. Has there been a release of the price for the 3rd Gen TL supercharger?
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Guys... who pays MSRP these days? The 2nd gen kit can be had for $3,600 everyday of the week through private, authorized distributors.
Also, my Acura dealership, like many throughout the country, install Comptech parts and keep the warranty intact. That's the major benefit of Comptech.
At first I thought you guys were just bashing the idea of the kit... now i've come to learn you guys really don't know much about the kit or even Comptech at all.
Let me know if you have more questions...
Also, my Acura dealership, like many throughout the country, install Comptech parts and keep the warranty intact. That's the major benefit of Comptech.
At first I thought you guys were just bashing the idea of the kit... now i've come to learn you guys really don't know much about the kit or even Comptech at all.
Let me know if you have more questions...
03-08-2005, 05:14 PM
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Not built to handle that kind of power?! Where have you been? Honda's Vtec engine is built to be DRIVEN HARD! Whether its an Integra Type-R or the TL Sedan, their all designed to be driven like you stole it. I have a 94' Accord with the F22B1 SOHC Vtec motor with 160K on the clock and I still do 125-130mph when I can. Never had a single problem with it. I'm not knockin' you, just need to loosen up and really see what your car can do. Push it to its limits & learn them so you can drive it to its limits when the right time calls for it.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Guys... who pays MSRP these days? The 2nd gen kit can be had for $3,600 everyday of the week through private, authorized distributors.
Also, my Acura dealership, like many throughout the country, install Comptech parts and keep the warranty intact. That's the major benefit of Comptech.
At first I thought you guys were just bashing the idea of the kit... now i've come to learn you guys really don't know much about the kit or even Comptech at all.
Let me know if you have more questions...
Also, my Acura dealership, like many throughout the country, install Comptech parts and keep the warranty intact. That's the major benefit of Comptech.
At first I thought you guys were just bashing the idea of the kit... now i've come to learn you guys really don't know much about the kit or even Comptech at all.
Let me know if you have more questions...
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Just give up MrSteve. Those who want it will get it. Those who don't will tell everyone else it's silly. All I know is I don't feel so silly running a 13.4@105 and showing STI's, SRT's, 350Z's, Stangs, and a whole lot of other cars my taillights!
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40 HP...is that it?? For $5,000.....that certainly does not warrant that price tag! A properly tune SC should yield at least 30% gain. I have an ATI on my 01 Corvette that dyno's at 475hp at 6psi boost for $7,500. Also, there are reliability and warranty issues that you enter into once you SC. I would also question putting any more power to a TL b/c of excessive torque steer on a FWD vehicles. Especially those with the 6 spd.
I do not think I would be comfortable with my TL having more power unless it was all-weel-drive
I do not think I would be comfortable with my TL having more power unless it was all-weel-drive