S1CK TypeS

well my boy has a A-Spec and i have the TL-S. we raced when i was stock and he destroyed me. we raced from a dig when i got my intake and i was right on his fender.

mods to his car: A-Spec package and Injen CAI
mods to mine: AEM CAI and suspension

I just recently bought the UR Crank Pulley which I'm getting installed this week. Would I'd be able to take him from a dig once thats installed?

stock A-Spec runs a 14.2 and the stock TL-S runs a 14.8. We're both about the same when it comes to driving skills.


What do you guys think?

PPLAPW

First, is he a 6MT or an Auto?

S1CK TypeS

sorry hes auto

bkzjimmy

how did he destroy you if u are both auto with numbers not much different?

CL Platano

14.2 hmmm I doubt it

S1CK TypeS

the 14.2 might be for the 6MT, the first time we did it i was stock and he had the intake. he pulled a car length

sbuswell

you should win by a hair

BraveDemon

Too close to call. Will really depend on a number of factors...

It makes sense that he beat you in the first race. He had a CAI, which (if made of decent quality) boosts HP anywhere between 10-15 hp. However, stock for stock, the 04 TL A-spec is supposed to be really close in performance numbers to the 2nd gen TL-S'.

I suggest a couple things before you race him: (I'm assuming you're gonna do a straight drag style race)

1. Reduce as much weight from the car as possible. I.E.: Race him with 1/4th gas in the tank, take out the spare tires and anything else in the trunk. If you're rolling on heavy ass rims, try putting on the stock ones or finding light weight ones to use. TLs are heavy as hell and giving it a diet is not a bad idea.

2. I don't know what kind of mileage you're hitting with your TL-S, but I suggest doing some maintenance on your engine and transmission. I just recently hit 60k on my 03 TL-S and I'm taking in my car to get the air filtration system and fuel system cleaned. I just replaced my transmission fluid (which is recommended every 30k) This won't really do much in terms of giving you big HP gains, but cars lose power/efficiency over time due to natural build up of dust/dirt/grime/varnish/grease. At the very least, get an oil change if your due for one and clean off the filter for your CAI.

As for anything else, well... I'd suggest getting headers, exhast, etc. but I'm sure you'll get that stuff in due time. Make sure to do the normal precautions: Run the engine for a bit till it's warm before racing, make sure your tires are at correct pressure and have good tread left, and make sure you guys are safe. Lots of people getting hurt these days from racing, and wouldn't want you or your friend to get into an accident from a friendly drag race.

Good luck and post your results. I'm rooting for you as a fellow TL-S driver

Mike

no flame intended but a CAI isn't going to net you 10-15 hp on an 03 tls.

TLsu

At the crank it should. Wheels more like 10.

ndx2

This really comes down to the tires you two are running, and who gets the jump on the other person.

I'm thinking the 3G will be slightly ahead

TLsu

You would.

onebadtls

i think youd win cuz of the slight weight advantage..and dont we have a more aggressive torque curve?
ive raced a couple 3gs and it goes both ways..never know if they are auto or not though..

ndx2

That's right, 2G ain't shit!

Man, I was being objective... A-Spec's got better tires and probably better suspension set up.

BraveDemon

No Offense taken Mike.

I'm just basing it off of some dyno chart's I've seen on this forum here.

Look at this dyno chart for the Comptech Ice Box on a J32a engine:

http://www.comptechusa.com/store/med...spd_icebox.pdf

I know it's for the 03 CL-S six speed, but engine wise it's the same as the TL-S.

Chart reports 14 HP gain at the wheels.

Of course i'm sure conditions are optimal when this was done and Comptech reported their highest dyno run.

Mike

exactly. when i visited comptech they had a HUGE fan in front of the dyno. when i dyno'd my CAI I believe I gained 6 hp at the wheels on my cls. i have an aem cai.

S1CK TypeS

hes got nitto and i have some bald ass stock tires so hes most likely gonna get the jump so im gonna convince him to a 5-10 mph roll. I just had my UR crank pulley installed thanks to Josh at Excelerate.

sbuswell

if you have I/P and suspension and he's stock you will beat him no problem. I have no problem beating a stock tl-s in my 99 i/h/e/p/s so you can win this race easily.

S1CK TypeS

well hes got the intake which is what keeps him close

BustedJack

3G TL-Aspec > 2G TL-s

pimpin-tl

A stock TL 04-06 do not run 14.2 stock. A-Spec adds weight and no power adder mods. They run around 14.7-14.9.

SuperStar

Pimpin go tell the manual guys that have run low 14's. Hell the damn magazines got close to that as well.

pimpin-tl

We are talking about 5AT here. Please read the whole thread.

TheAcAvenger

This is like the 15th thread there has been on this! Haha. Okay, for the millionth time, something is seriously wrong if your 03 TL-S got destroyed by an 04 Auto. An 04 Manual yes, but an auto manual.. No. We've pretty much covered that the TL-S should slightly edge out an auto 4th gen due to more aggressive gear ratios and the 04's delayed drive-by-wire response. Stock, 0-100 I pulled a fender to half CL on an 04 Auto, and I'm pretty sure pureadren has done the same against a 6MT with his IHE. While an A-Spec's suspension and higher performance tires should help it come off the line faster, it really wouldnt have made the difference to destroy you. Either you did a really bad job in SS, or you seriously need new tires.

What i've learned from running in the TL-S is this. Personally, I feel the car does a better job of holding 1st and 2nd gear to max RPM than I do, but the car shifts from 3rd early. So I try to leave it in 1st and 2nd in D5, then switch to SS once i'm already in 3rd. If competition is really serious, (as in when i raced the 04, I used 2000rpm brake torqueing plus gateshifting (which you should really practice before you race with it. Gateshifting takes a bit of getting used to if you're used to SS). Before you guys go ahead and start talking about weight differences and a 10hp difference, both of them are extremely neglidgible when you add the drive-by-wire and gear ratios into the mix. But if you think i'm just pulling this out of my arse, hit the search button, and witness myself and 10 other guys repeating this over... and over... and over. hahah

pimpin-tl

I don't see the TL-S being a hair faster than a 04+ TL. Especially since the tests have shown better times from the 04+ TLs compared to the TL-Ss. I had a CL-S and it felt just as fast as my TL does.

But I will say one thing. At least the 05+ TL's wont' blow a tranny racing unlike my CL-S.

2003TL-S

Wrong.......3G 6speed>2GTL-S is more like it. I've raced 3G auto Aspecs they aren't much faster than the base 3G TL.

bkzjimmy

what makes an a-spec 3g faster than a base 3g? i thought its only cosmetic things and suspension that was different. i didnt know theres differences in the engine...

S1CK TypeS

theres nothing different in the engine but from what ive read and heard, the kit and suspension makes a difference in the 1/4 mile times.

TLsu

I totally understand where you are comming from, with the CT dyno numbers being inflated due to perfect conditions. By the same token, you gotta believe Acura dyno's their cars under the same ideal conditions. Thus, if the CT dynos are not legit. than neither are Acuras.

bkzjimmy

theres no way a kit or suspension would help on a 1/4 time!!

BustedJack

so you just contradicted youself there?
having fun with that AZ smilies, don't you think it's 1 smilie will make your point?

if 3G auto ASPECS aren't much faster than a base 3G-TL.
Therefore if 3G-A_TL > 3G-TL and 3G 6SPD > 2GTL-S. Doesn't that mean 3G-ASPEC >= 2G-TLS?

Perhaps I would have respected your opinion more if you argued in a civilized way

onebadtls

a-specs are not faster then any other 3g under most conditions. Given it could launch better but from a roll there is no diff. Might actually be a lil slower cuz of the weight.
tl-s owns auto 3g's apecs or not.

BraveDemon

I own a 03 TL-S.. and I love the 2nd gen body styling. But I also love the 3rd gen; even though I dont like their bulky exterior, their interior is 10 times better than the 2nd gen and their trannys don't suck like our 2g's.

But the way I see it, hell, they're within the same family, run practically the same engine, run similar times (minus the 6 spd).

No hating on Fellow TL's. Whether it be 1st gen, 2nd gen or 3rd gen, they're all good in my eyes.

I'd say 2nd gen TL-S vs 3rd gen TL:

Stock for stock, 3rd gen should beat the 2nd gen by a hair.

Mods added... dunno.. anyones game really.

S1CK TypeS

so i should jus run it and figure it out

BENDER08

i have a 2g tl and i take on a 3gtl only in sport shift and if where rolling of the start the 3g takes me on