rsxbond

Hi everyone. I'm new to this forum. I currently have an '02 RSX automatic. I love it, but my lease is up this summer, and my parents want me to get something larger, since I live in Miami, FL., but attend Georgia-Tech in Atlanta. I had my heart set on the new 2005 Volvo S40 T5 with sports package. It seemed like the perfect car for a college student. It also had a large trunk and fold-down rear seat capability, as well as a strong engine for the size of the car. However, I went to the ATL auto show yesterday with my parents, and they did not like the size of the Volvo, especially after I told them the G35 and the TL could be bought for about the same price, cause the S40 T5 would add up to about $31K with options like leather and 17" wheels. They said that if I'm going to pay that much, I might as well get a bigger car like the TL or the G35. I'm really lost now, and I only have a couple of months to decide. I would like to ask a few questions, if you guys would be so kind to help me out:
1.) Does the TL have fold-down rear seats?
2.) Does the TL have a harsh ride? (cause my RSX's suspension is way to firm for my parents when they come up to Atlanta)
3.) What kind of leasing price or even sticker price did most of you guys get?
4.) Is the TL too big/too "grown-up" for a 20 year-old college student?
Thanks for your help guys.

apwalsh

The seats do not fold but there is a useless passthrough.

The ride is not harsh at all unless you get the ASpec suspension or larger rims. (won't make it "harsh" but more firm)

Prices are generally 1K below MSRP for Navi, 2K below MSRP for non-Navi lease prices range from 400/mo to 500/mo depending

The TL is not too grown up for a 20 y/o

30K+ seems like a lot to spend on a car that might not be used all the time but if your parents are paying for it, go for the TL dude!

vtechbrain

The perfect car for a college student is one you can pay for, not the one dad can afford. If I were your dad I'd buy you a Hyundai, used, prefferably one you could spend some of your free time fixing with rebuilt parts from auto zone! My daughter has a 4 year honor scholarship at UW Madison and I make over 400k a year, nevertheless, the thought of asking for a car has not crossed her mind. You need to a little lesson in humility quick!

rsxbond

Thanks for the input so far. Maybe I'm being a bit presumptuous, but is vtechbrain an older TL driver?

R11S

His age has absolutely nothing to do with his opinion, other than we know he has a college-age daughter. I think his opinion is a healthy one, one which mirrors my own thoughts, except that when my second son goes to college in four years, his first two years will be sans any car! After that? He can buy what he can afford. The first son? The school wouldn't allow first year students to have a vehicle and the second he wanted a motorcycle, but that's another story!

VQ35DE

Personally, I'd recommend a TSX to you. $.02

soljc

The kid asked for some information on the TL, not a lecture on your value systems or your daughter's class rank.

For what it's worth, I don't think the TL is too mature for you although I suspect you won't find many people your age driving it. If you need fold down seats, this isn't the car for you.

Dkrudop

If it's size you're after....wouldnt it be better to consider a cross-over SUV...perhaps a Highlander, or (more economically-minded), a Mazda Tribute? There will be plenty of time after college to pursue the 30k plus range of cars.

EggrollXpress61

Not at all. Im 16 and I love it! so do all of my friends. Its like my realistic and practical dream car. I think its PERFECT for me. I also think that the demographics of the car should appeal more to younger people cuz its really sporty. Its a total chick magnet too, lol. Dont get the TL if you dont like chicks complimenting your TL and calling you "smart" and "sophisticated".

Euliscool

well put... if your parents feel that they can afford it and you deserve such a car dats fine. Im 23 rite now... when i was 16 my mom bought me a 98 Honda Prelude... i personally don't think a TL is THAT high class of a car... i prefer to think of it as a nice sports sedan. No matter what your age... fits perfectly...

and i'm STILL waiting for my TL, 3 more weeks

VTEC=happiness

23 here...my mom bought my first car and my last CL-s....doesn't mean that I don't work hard and value every dollar I make. Anyway, the car is a bit of an older car...every one i pass on the street is driven by an older guy or a woman, but that has not discouraged me. I have gotten so many compliments on the car, and I like feeling a bit more grown up while still retaining a good looking, semi-perfomance oriented vehicle.

vtechbrain

Thats why there are so many spoiled brat idiots in these forums!

nick79

vtechbrain
- Don’t base your opinions on people and call them idiots. i got my first car at the age of 22 and it was the 2nd Gen TL which i got now. I did pay for the car on my own with the help of my parents on the insurance.
On the other hand, my parents did get my brother a 3 series BMW and he’s only 18. Guess what? His GPA is a 4.0 and he’s not an idiot and I don’t think you should base your opinions on a select few people you see.



Anyway the kid asked for info on the TL not a stupid lecture. Come on.

go4heat

yea same here dude- im 16 and i love it. eggroll is right on- all my friends love it and the chicks are all over it man ...

as for vtechbrain...im glad that you have set a limit that works for you as far as cars and spending and the like go for your family, but please don't come here calling people "idiots" just because they may have a different financial or moral position or whatever the case may be. My dad is the most conservative person i know, yet he bought me a TL as my first car. Of course i also helped pay for it with money ive invested, etc., but regardless, thats how my family works. if you dont like it then you can say so but please dont try to impose your beliefs on innocent forum users. And frankly, i think absolutely nobody cares about your daughter and her scholarship at UW madison, and id actually venture to say that im probably smarter than her (did she ever get a 1400 on the SAT as a sophomore?)...so hows that for an "idiot spoiled brat" buddy? maybe you should shut your arrogant mouth for just one second and step off of your high horse, because its not impressing me and i dont think its impressing anybody else here.

vtechbrain

One of the huge problems in this country is that a lot of people (as evidenced here) cannot see anything wrong in a snotnosed 20 y/o kid getting a 35K automobile! When I was 20 I was busting my chops doing guard duty in the rain in a shitty airfield in germany at 3 oclock in the morning! I had a kid a wife and a 500dollar vw dasher with more rust holes than intact steel. 20 years later I'm relatively wealthy, my kid is a college academic star, Im happy and still married to the same very patient person. I bought a TL because it represents value I could have easily bought an Aston Martin DB9 if I wanted to, its just stupid. Life has taught me the value of things. When you buy a kid something most people cannot afford with an earnest job you're not being nice to your kid your teaching him how to be an asshole.

go4heat

vtech, i am really curious to know then why you need to make so much money? why do we make money, and why arent we in a socialist society??? is it to maybe...GASP- SPEND IT??? isnt that what it boils down to? i personally entirely disagree with someone leaving their child an inheritance to where they dont have to work to make an honest living, but i think that doesnt mean that people cant celebrate their prosperity by giving their children gifts that they can afford. if i were you i would be thrilled and thankful that i could afford to buy an aston martin. if you cant spend your money, then what is it good for? i also condone wholeheartedly giving to charity, but if you were to give it all to charity, isnt that as good as being in a communist society? i assume you dont have communist beliefs becuase of your staunch conservatism and the fact that you were in the military...so whats the problem?

apwalsh

I don't think that giving a 35K car as a first vehicle to a 16 year old is a good idea, but I'm not going to try to make everyone else think that either, especially the recipient of the vehicle.

I'm 24 now, but when I was in high school nobody had BMWs and Lexuses, Infiniti's, etc. They had shitboxes that they bought themselves from cashing in their bonds and every other saved penny since they were born. The only kids that had cars bought for them were the really rich ones and even then they weren't getting 20K cars, let alone 35K ones. I lived in a rather wealthy neighborhood, so money was not the issue.

I don't really care what anyone's GPA is or how smart you are or whatever. You are supposed to be doing good in school, you are supposed to behave at home, you are supposed to go to college and earn yourself a place in the world. You are supposed do all these things anyway that you are being rewarded for doing. You should be doing them for yourselves, not for the reward that follows.

I think that maybe parents these days are trying to keep things under control by "buying" their kids. Maybe they believe that if they keep them happy with all these things that we see other kids with, they will stay out of trouble or something. I don't pretend to know what other people are thinking, I am just speculating based on what I see.

It also seems that kids that earn things for themselves have a better attitude than the ones that are driving brand new BMWs and such. I know both kinds from having friends with younger siblings and it just seems to me that the ones that have parents that buy them all these "things" that are unneccesary, tend to be the ones that act like assholes toward each other, as well as people that are older than them. To put it simply, they "think who they are"

Now, I'm not directing this at anyone, and it's not my intention to flame anyone with this post. Please do not take it personal, as I am not trying to attack anyone. I am just speaking my .02 and it doesn't neccessarily mean that I believe you 16 year olds here are the asshole type that I just referred to above.

vtechbrain

"A fool and his money are soon parted" Wise man

TLover

VTEC, I wholeheartedly agree with you but I don't think this is the correct forum to be lecturing people or giving out parental advice.

achadha100

vtec,

If you have the money why not enjoy it? Since you are a successful person why not share your wealth with your childeren?What are you gonna do with all that money anways? You need to spend eventually y not on family?

Chilli

Hey vtechbrain, you forgot to mention your ten inch penis also!

go4heat

dont you mean 9.9 inches? it was the value option

Poindexter919

Unbelievable!!
Well, here's my thoughts.
If you can get the TL go for it!! It's just a car.

As per your Questions. . .

1) No, only a small passthrough
2) Not as harsh as an RSX-S
3) Just plan to pay MSRP on a car. . . Then you can buy toys for it with the money you save through your negotiations.
4) Eh, it's relative. Personally, I think it is. Get something smaller that can carve through turns like an S2000. But on the other hand. . . the TL will last you at least 15-20 years.

That last comment is why I'm considering it. But even being a Design Engineer for the automotive industry and making more than enough money than I know what to do with. . . I can't bring myself to spending $30K on a car. I have to many other things I'd rather spend my money on.

Hope this helped

rsxbond

Wow...I'm totally shocked by all of these comments. I personally think that my parents are very conservative (in a good way). For my first car, they decided to get me my dream first car, the RSX, b/c I was doing well in high school (not to brag, vtechbrain, but I was Valedictorian...so don't impose that scholarship stuff on me...that's the first time I used that as an argument!) Anyway, they agreed on the RSX b/c they thought I was going to UF, which is only a 6 hour drive from Miami. However, it was totally unexpected that I would be accepted by GT, so the driving time suddenly increased to a 12 hour drive. Right now, my parents drive up from Miami to take me back home each time I have a break b/c they don't feel that the RSX is that safe of a car to drive for 12 hours on highways full of semi's and so forth. That is why they want me to get a safer, stronger, and larger car. The new Volvo S40 was a viable choice b/c it was "Volvo" safe and seemed rather cheap. However, with options like leather and 17" wheels, it turned out to be about $31K. That's when my Dad said that he'd rather pay $32K and get a larger and more comfortable car. Another reason is that my parents' cars are both leased, and their mileage is increasing way to rapidly, so they would like me to get a car that they can sit in comfortably so that when we go out as a family, or when they come to ATL, we can take my car instead of theirs. BTW, they refuse to sit in my RSX b/c of the harsh ride and the "uncomfy" factor...I guess it's b/c they have an Escalade and an S80. That is why they want me to get a more comfy car. At the same time, they don't want me to get a flashy car, like a BMW, Benz, or Lexus...b/c many people only buy those brands for the name...however, Acura and Infiniti are not as "flashy" if you will. I considered the TSX, but I'm not liking the power-to-weight ratio and the lightness of the doors. I really do not want to drive an SUV. Also, I need something rather reliable...so a Honda is good for that factor as well. I'm sorry if I caused a lot of havoc on this forum, but I was just trying to get some input on the new TL. Thanks.

TLover

No need to apologize RSXBond. It sounds like you appreciate what you have and your parents' generosity.

To get back on the topic: Get the TL. It's great, especially for the long drives you describe. It may be a sedan, but it's sporty and fun, and definitely a head-turner.

go4heat

dude what school did you go to that you were surprised to get accepted to GT as a valedictorian???

iceman2cuol4u

I will never understand why people on forums flame others for asking simple questions. Vtech, you have your opinions about what is right and the world has theirs. Get over it. By the way, since we are all giving our opinions, I believe that if you do make that claimed figure of 400,000 dollars a year you should buy your daughter a car. Like others said, money is made to be spent. I am not saying you have to buy her something fancy, but come on. And if she is the model student you say she is I think she deserves it. Just because your parents did not get you a car let alone an awesome one like the tl, doesn't mean you cant get one for your children. It should be known however that my parents are most likely going to be buying one for me. But I have worked during the summers and have saved up for the last years. So if my parents want to buy me, a 17 year old, a car like the tl, then more power to them.

Thats all I have to say.
I just hope i dont get flamed ***Puts burn proof suit on ***

apwalsh

No flames intended, but do you really think that doing good in school should earn you a car?

adam209

yes. that's why my parents buy me my cars. it's a reward.

vtechbrain

The answers to this simple point just show the level of maturity or lack thereof most people have. Most of these people probably went to Mel Gibson's asinine movie and felt touched but when presented by a true ethical dilema (why do we give our children things that they don't need or deserve) they show a lack of profundity that is simply astonishing! Unfortunately, it appears that Osama Bin Ladin has figured out the truth in that we are so morally void as to be beyond salvation.
"Behind the words of madmen, idiots and fools lies the essence of truth"
Vote Andy Rooney for president!

apwalsh

Again, I'm not trying to flame, but I just don't understand the concept of being rewarded for doing something you are supposed to do anyway.

I believe that this possibly contributes to the mentality of "Why should I do that if I'm not going to get anything?" This behavior just seems to have a negative effect on the majority of kids. This is not always the case, but more often that not.

iceman2cuol4u

In response to Apwalsh,
lets face it, in our world everything is about getting rewards. Why do we go to school ... in order to get a good job. Why do we want to get a good job... in order to make a good income. Why do we want to make a good income ... to be able to afford what we want to buy. So my point is that not every parent can afford to get their kid a car, but if you can and your kid deserves it because they have done well at school and respect you, why not give them one.

I am biased of course, but thats my opinion.

vtechbrain

Getting them a car is not a biggie, in many parts of the country a car is a necessity. The problem is getting them more than they need to get around. Its simply ludicrous to give a young person a "luxury" car when all he needs are some wheels to get around. If you give a kid the best money can buy they have nothing to aspire or work for, it is there for granted. People complain about welfare destroying people's work ethic turn around and treat their kids like fat cats. An adults duty is not to give their kids all the stuff they wanted but could not afford, but to give them better tools (ie education) and opportunities for them to get them on their own.

finally_TL

I think that as long as you are responsible with your own action then you will be just fine. I dont totally agree with the fact that your parents are buying you the car but if they think that you earned it and they can shell out the money so be it. Im 25 now and Im planning to get my a new TL soon too. I bought my first used car when I was 18 out of my own pocket money. No help from the parents. I think that young kids these days need to know the value of money. If the kids are not making money and getting a lot of things for free, then they really dont understand the value. They can only have an idea of it. Many young kids say "yes I know how to handle my money" but in reality they just spend the money they get, whether from their own job or gift" They dont care if they run out because they always know they have a fall back (the parents). All Im saying is people have different circumstances, and they have their own way of dealing things. But as for Rsxbond, just dont let it get to your head, even after you get out of college. Reward your parents for the rewards they give you. my $.02

apwalsh

The whole idea is that everything in our world should not be about getting rewards.

Getting a good job is the "reward" for going to school.
Having a nice income is a bonus to having a good job.
Buying nice things (homes, cars with the money that you have earned is all fine, until you are buying all these nice things for your children that are uneccesary, and that could possibly break the cycle above. Let's face it, they might work hard in school, and do well, but they might not have "earned" a 35K vehicle.

They should have earned a place in the world, the respect of their peers, and the respect of their elders. That is what the kids should be working for. Not for BMWs and TLs and nice things.

Paying for higher education or assisting with payments would be a real "reward" for doing so well. Not handing them things that they haven't really earned.

rsxbond

In response to goforHeat's question, I went to a private Christian high school. But, I wasn't trying to make a point by saying that I was Val. It just seemed that vtechbrain was highlighting his daughter's achievements, which are great, but I'm sure lots of other people on this forum are just as hard-working and successful. And, I totally agree with finally_TL. It might sound bad, but I'm working hard in college and trying to be a mature 20-year old all for my parents. They have given me everything a kid can ask for (love, support, reprimands that I didn't like @ first, but turn out to be important now, etc.) They know I don't waste money...I don't waste money on alcohol, cigarettes, poker, etc etc that many of my peers do here. I guess as for vtechbrain, all I have to say is that I'm sure he is a great dad, but my parents are great too, and everyone has different ideals and situations. And, btw, back home, all my friends got 330i's, IS300's, for the first cars...and they're still decent human beings who aren't full of themselves. But, back to the main topic, more and more people are telling me to get the TL b/c of the better interior and exterior, but my other friends are telling me that the G35 drives better. I also read on the G35 forum that a new interior is due in May?!

TLover

Can this asinine thread get back on topic? :enforcer:

pgray007

Maybe it's not as jazzy, but have you considered the Accord? There are a fair amount of similarities between the TL, and the rear seats fully fold down if your concerned about hauling stuff. If your parking at in a college environment, a TL might get dinged, pee'ed on, or something like that.

If you really want to go Volvo, and you're burning your parents dough, you might want to check out the Volvo S60R. Bigger than the S40, AWD, and 300 HP. You can get them through the overseas delivery program for about $34K w/o any options. Check out flyvolvo.com for more info.

As and aside, as far as the whole "reward" discussion, I'd agree with the folks that are subscribing to the Chris Rock theory that you shouldn't be rewarded for things your supposed to do. If your parents want to get you cars, good for them, but don't operate under the assumption that when you do the right thing, you automatically get a reward. You'll end up very confused once you hit the "real world" and you often do the right thing and get royally screwed for it.

FYI I'm speaking as a 26 yo, who was "given" a blazin' 1989 dodge caravan with 180K miles and fake wood siding as a first car. Talk about getting the chicks! Even making a very respectable salary, I'm still on the fence on the TL. Yeah I can afford it, but I don't consider it a "reward" to myself on any level, rather an extravagance that will necesitate cuts somewhere else in my lifestyle (house, dining out, etc.). I think you learn these economic causes and effect decisions best by financing them yourself.

Either way good luck... I used to live in Orlando so I'm jealous of you southerners looking out the window and watching the snow here in CT!

jrock65

"I also read on the G35 forum that a new interior is due in May?!"

They'll show it at the April NYAS, probably available to buy in August at the earliest, but more likely September or October. The car will also have standard aero kit.

As far as G35 vs. TL, there are about a million threads here about that topic. A quick search would render many results, if you're interested.

I would never buy my future kid a car like the TL or the G35, but I don't profess to assert my value system onto others. It's an entirely personal decision.

The thing that irks me is when kids who drive nice cars that their parents bought for them think they're all "cool", above others, or somehow entitled to it. Actually it doesn't irk me, just makes them look pathetic.

You don't seem like that type, however. Good luck with your car buying decision.

Sivic2k

How about this for a value system?

"I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want."

Cars are just machines, the absence or presence of which does not define a person. If rsxbond is a hard-working, capable individual, then that will hold no matter what he/she drives. The fact that people use cars as measurements of status or capability is a sad thing. Furthermore, the observation that highschoolers sporting M3's and SL500's have bad attitudes is probably more a correlation than a cause-effect relationship.

I hope rsxbond gets to drive whatever makes him/her happy. But, to answer the question, I think the TL is too ponderous a car for a single college student. Because it is aimed at upper-middleclass families, it is full of compromises between fun and luxuriousness.

Get something a little smaller and more fun, like the 325i, TSX, G35 coupe, RX-8, or IS300. If you can get a convertible, even better! Live it up yo!