I got charged 1hr of labor because the dealer said that my sensors were off because of my ride height being modified (too high because of 20" wheels) and they told me they calibrated them and it was 1hr of labor, a total of $107.22. Does this sound right? have any of you guys had this issue before? I guess what im trying to find out is if they were lying or not it kind of sounds like its not true.

 

Have you been having issues with the VSA? Are all your tires the same size?

 

The triangle and VSA lights were on, the manual said that if both were on that the system was not working properly, I took it in because my warranty covers broken or not working parts but the dealer said that they were not busted, that they needed to be calibrated because I have 20's and not regular size wheels.

 

I don't know of ANY way of calibrating the VSA system other than simply resetting the error with HDS. Do you have a 3rd party warranty company? If yes, sometimes dealers will short change the customer since warranty companies negotiate pricing with the dealer, so if the dealer wanted some $$$ they could easily charge you for it with some lame excuse. Did you get a copy of the Repair Order? If yes, can you post a copy of it here?

 

I have had 18" & 19" on mine since 06 and nothing needed calibrating ... someone is shitting you.

 

Ok ill post the pictures tomorrow morning.

 

<~~~ I have 20" and I dont get any Error from my VSA. I am getting a TPMS Error since my TPMS sensors aren't on my 20" but thats has nothing to do with the VSA Calibration

 

PLENTY people have had 20's on there tl and this is the first i have heard of this issue

 

The only time I can see an issue, and its not totally dependent on wheel size, is if the rolling diameter of the tire is different front to back or side to side.

 

Oh and BTW the Average Mechanic Labor Hour is around 60-90 bucks an hour. It is Expected at a Dealership that it would be 90+ an hour depending on the dealership. So No $107.22 isn't expensive for an hour of labor at the dealer. The thing is even if it may have taken them 30 minutes to do a job they will still stick you for the Hour. Sucks but true. I don't think I would take my car to the Dealership unless it something that they will cover under warranty or their fault cause if I have to pay out of pocket for all my repairs, I will end up paying an arm and a leg. Its always good to find a good Local mechanic that specializes on your car cause they will end up doing the same job as the dealer at a cheaper price. You do have to make sure they have a good reputation cause you don't want to go and get Screwed over by a mechanic that doesn't know WTF they are doing.

 

You need to post a pic of the service receipt. If your VSA light was on when you went in, and they fixed it, and it is no longer on, then obviously they did something and if they have listed a valid service that they performed I don't know how much you can fight about it.

 

The dealer will charge you 1hr labor, even if all they do is reset the light. They charge you just to tell you what's wrong and not reset anything...

Next time come on here first before hitting the dealer. There are usually little cheats you can do to reset these dashboard lights with a simple paper clip and performing a series of commands (with the paper clip and the ignition switch). In any instance of a dash light being on, the first step in diagnosing the problem is almost always resetting light to see if it comes back on. This is to check if it's a simple intermittent problem (that might not come back) or a full blown failure in the system.

 

I understand,it was my fault but it was to my understanding that it was covered under warranty, anyways here is the receipt.

 

That bothers me ... "looks for stock ride height"? A lot of us are lowered and no issues like that.

 

See, now that is BS. How does the VSA "look for stock ride height"? Does it have sensors that are measuring ground clearance? I call BS on the dealer, and they put it in writing which is good for your case.

 

Well.. what do you guys think I should do?

 

wow... they cant spell also or transmission.. lol makes me think twice eh

edit: nice, now we know where roberto lives

 

LOL yeah, its kinda far away MD

 

hey man Look at this Ish
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63529687@N04/5821659945/
No Lights at ALL, Just the TPSM Error since I don't have them on my Wheels. My car is Low and scrapes the back tires, The Front barely pass the fender when turning. That sounds a lil Fishy I really doubt its due to right height or Wheels but Hey they are the Experts...

 

I would ask them to explain what this calibration is, and then when they fail to give you a satisfactory explanation (of course they will fail, because it is bullshit) you call Acura corporate and get them involved.

 

I know, I never heard any body have issues about it, but does sound like BS.

 

I'd go there and demand to speak to the tech that did the work and ask him what he exactly did since there is no real way of calibrating VSA short of replacing stuff.

 

I dont know, it might be legit. At least the error code. I googled vsa sensor logic error and a couple of threads came up including one with an 05 RL. Reported code was 84-1 sensor logic failure.

 

Pretty much the whole reason I posted this thread is because I looked on the website and did not see anybody complain about this problem. Im confused wether its legit or not.

 

But still..... nothing to do with ride height.

 

I wonder if all they did was clear DTC's and the VSA light problem went away. It could have been an intermittent problem that caused a light to stay on at some point.

If that is the case then it should have been free.

I use the local honda system to clear and check car quarterly just to see what is going on. Good tool.

If problem does come back I would look into maybe VSA system having a faulty sensor??

 

If your ABS and VSA lights were on that means there was a error code. That code which i believe is 84.01 should be legit as it was obviously thrown and cleared by the tech.

What is in question here is the fact that they suggested a height recalibration to solve the issue. AFAIK since i cant find that solution anywhere it might not have been done at all and was there just to charge you. Clearing codes is usually free at the dealer, at least for me, and usually the first time. If this was your first time, you shouldnt have paid anything.

 

Yes, it was my first time at the Dealership.

 

I would go to another dealership and ask what that means exactly. If they tell you no such thing is possible have them put it down in writing and take it to the original dealer.

 

Ok guys, so I spoke to another dealership and they told me yes,then I called the dealership that I took my car to and spoke to the tech that worked on my car, he told me that they connect their HDS machine to calibrate the sensors. So I guess it is legit? He pretty much answered all my questions.

 

What size are your tires? If the overall tire diameter differs enough from stock it could set off a code like that. A significant difference in overall wheel/tire height will change the ride height and cause things like VSA not to work since it works off the stock tire circumference. My last car you could change the number of wheel revolutions per second in order to calibrate your speedometer and in order to not set SVS/ABS lights. I'm guessing if you have a tire size that is way off from what it should be for 20's, they had to change things to work with this. That's about the only shadow of truth I could see in this. That's with assuming you have an odd tire size, and that they were referring to ride height changed by incorrect tire size, as ride height changed by spring height shouldn't affect anything.

 

The tire size is 225/35 ZR20 90W

 

Those are 26.2" diamter, stock wheel/tire combo is 25.3" diamter. That difference could be enough to set off the VSA light depending how sensitive the Acura system is. So they probably reprogrammed everything for the new size.

For reference, stock size is 235/45/17.
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

 

Turn key on, hit vsa button within .5 seconds of abs light coming on. It will shut off then turn back on, hit VSA again within .5 seconds of it turning back on, then a bunch of lights start flashing. on tl the tpms starts saying check tpms. After all the lights are done flashing vsa calibration is complete.

 

Oh and both hds and snapon verus dont have a calibration either hds version 2.027.007 is what I've got

 

The only time a different size tire would cause ABS or any kind of stability system to malfunction is if you have different size tires on the car at the SAME time. If all wheels/tires are the same exact size, the car just thinks you are going slower (bigger wheels/tires) or faster (smaller wheels/tires). It sounds like all they did was clear the code.

 

84-1 sensor logic failure usually means vsa was triggered for to long, a sensor is dirty which it usually spits out what one not this code. Ive even had it come on doing a brake flush with ate super blue. Performing the neutral position memorization procedure has always solved the problem for me, If you clear the vsa code the vsa light will go out but the triangle will stay on and after you drive a little the vsa light is back on until its calibrated. It is strange that new wheels would cause this if all the diameters are the same.