TL vs RSX type s
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Bullshit! The '05 RSX-S would run all over a 3rd Gen TL automatic and would do quite well against the manual.
The new K20Z is much quicker than the K20A in the '02-'04. That plus the new final drive makes the '05 RSX-S a really quick car!
And when you start to mod the two cars it is just no contest.
The new K20Z is much quicker than the K20A in the '02-'04. That plus the new final drive makes the '05 RSX-S a really quick car!
And when you start to mod the two cars it is just no contest.
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Originally Posted by wackjum
I didn't know the 05 RSX was changed from the 04. I thought it was a carry over.
Nope the '05 RSX is almost a complete redesign. New motor (basically the JDM Type-R motor), new final drive, new exhaust, new intake manifold, etc. With bolt-ons and Hondata you're looking at a 13 second car no problem.
08-01-2005, 04:28 PM
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if you supercharge an 05 6MT TL which CT SC's will be available fairly soon, get all your bolt on's you could run with a 05 RSX-S with all the bolt-on's and whip it's ass. But throw an SC on the RSX-S(i don't even know if they makde them) and that car will eat you for breakfast. they are only like 2700-2800lbs car as a TL is closer to 3500lbs.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Bullshit! The '05 RSX-S would run all over a 3rd Gen TL automatic and would do quite well against the manual.
The new K20Z is much quicker than the K20A in the '02-'04. That plus the new final drive makes the '05 RSX-S a really quick car!
And when you start to mod the two cars it is just no contest.
The new K20Z is much quicker than the K20A in the '02-'04. That plus the new final drive makes the '05 RSX-S a really quick car!
And when you start to mod the two cars it is just no contest.
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mmmmmm well considering the RSX-S only comes in manual I offered a comparison between both automatic and manual.
And how is comparing a sub 3,000lb 4-cyl car to a 3,500+lb 6-cyl car apples to apples any way you slice it? The transmission is pretty low on the list of things that are different in these two cars.
And how is comparing a sub 3,000lb 4-cyl car to a 3,500+lb 6-cyl car apples to apples any way you slice it? The transmission is pretty low on the list of things that are different in these two cars.
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
if you supercharge an 05 6MT TL which CT SC's will be available fairly soon, get all your bolt on's you could run with a 05 RSX-S with all the bolt-on's and whip it's ass. But throw an SC on the RSX-S(i don't even know if they makde them) and that car will eat you for breakfast. they are only like 2700-2800lbs car as a TL is closer to 3500lbs.
The supercharger isn't even out yet for the TL so I hope your assumption is correct... however i've seen an '04 RSX-S with bolt ons run 13.5 @ 103 MPH.
And yes they make superchargers and turbos for the RSX-S and yes they are insanely quick with them. 9psi, race header, 3" exhaust, Hondata = 12 second car.
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A lot of you guys are way off. Car and Driver's magazine clocks the 2005 RSX-S doing 0-60 in 6.4 and running a 1/4 mile time of 14.9. Even an auto TL has a decent chance of beating this car. The manual probably wouldn't have very much trouble at all. It would somewhat depend on the driver, but I would automatically put my money on the TL. All stock that is, seeing as I don't know much about the mods for either.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
mmmmmm well considering the RSX-S only comes in manual I offered a comparison between both automatic and manual.
And how is comparing a sub 3,000lb 4-cyl car to a 3,500+lb 6-cyl car apples to apples any way you slice it? The transmission is pretty low on the list of things that are different in these two cars.
And how is comparing a sub 3,000lb 4-cyl car to a 3,500+lb 6-cyl car apples to apples any way you slice it? The transmission is pretty low on the list of things that are different in these two cars.
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08-01-2005, 09:57 PM
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tsx? you mean rsx-s right. well my new c/d came today and they tested the rsx-s at 0-60 in 6.4 which means 6MT TL owns it. 6MT TL's stock have run 5.9-6.2 in 0-60 not 6.4 so that means TL is faster and would win. I would challenge any rsx-s in 6MT TL if I had one. still my 99 tl w/bolt on's can beat an 03 rsx-s, maybe cause the driver isn't that good, but still.
I've seen both cars run and know what they are capable of. It's a driver's race. 'Nuff said.
08-01-2005, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Daddy1
Thats exactly my point!! why call BS and then make a claim against an auto TL?? as for the weight comparo, again thats my point!!! due to the tsx having a 740lb advantage is the ONLY way it gets close even with the auto TL otherwise if it weighed the same as a TL its not worth the conversation.
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I didn't pose the question... i merely answered it with my opinion... why come out attacking my post?
08-01-2005, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by flipskatemer
A lot of you guys are way off. Car and Driver's magazine clocks the 2005 RSX-S doing 0-60 in 6.4 and running a 1/4 mile time of 14.9. Even an auto TL has a decent chance of beating this car. The manual probably wouldn't have very much trouble at all. It would somewhat depend on the driver, but I would automatically put my money on the TL. All stock that is, seeing as I don't know much about the mods for either.
08-02-2005, 12:44 AM
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I had an 02 rsx-s before my 6mt a-spec and was even driving both cars for a few weeks. I can say that stock vs. stock the tl is faster, vs an auto it is a driver race. The rsx has an impressive top end for its engine and is extremely mod friendly, on the downside it was unbelievably difficult to launch, but I gave cars like the g35c and s2000 a good run for their money, like 1 or 2 cars short, stock. Don't get me wrong, the TL is the best car I have owned, but the difference is the rsx is more of what they would call a driver's car, and I have yet to find a car that I could shift as well as the rsx.
08-02-2005, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by flipskatemer
I'm sure the people at Car and Driver know what they're doing...
I'm sure they don't. That's why they tested a supercharged 6-speed CLS and only ran 14.2 @ 103 MPH.
I ran 14.1 @ 101MPH in my automatic CLS w/o a supercharger... just bolt ons.
Just because they work for an automotive magazine doesn't mean they know how to drive the car.
08-02-2005, 06:08 PM
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if everyone on this thread gave me there two cents I could go mcdonallds and buy a double cheeseburger. i love opinionative threads like this. I drove my friends stock 03 rsx-s and I will say it shifts like a dream, low end power sucks, but it keeps pulling forever past 4000rpm's. I'd buy one, but I have a family.
08-02-2005, 09:50 PM
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Car and Driver generally gets much quicker speeds than what they actually are in real driving... I'm gonna say that whatever the rsx-s is doing in the magazine is probably .2 or.3 seconds faster than what others are gonna get. These people drive cars for a living, using expensive equipment and doing repeated tests with different drivers. If they are publishing a widely read magazine like that, they usually are gonna get their numbers right. If your information is correct about the cl-s with a supercharger, that is one of the first times I've seen their numbers wrong. more for your burgers...
more for your burgers...
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Bullshit! The '05 RSX-S would run all over a 3rd Gen TL automatic and would do quite well against the manual.
The new K20Z is much quicker than the K20A in the '02-'04. That plus the new final drive makes the '05 RSX-S a really quick car!
And when you start to mod the two cars it is just no contest.
The new K20Z is much quicker than the K20A in the '02-'04. That plus the new final drive makes the '05 RSX-S a really quick car!
And when you start to mod the two cars it is just no contest.
I don't know Mr.Steve......I'd have to see it to believe it. The two experiences that I've had with an regular RSX and a Type-S were bit of a different story.
P.S. I crack up in a bit of laughter each time I see your avatar!!
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Originally Posted by flipskatemer
Car and Driver generally gets much quicker speeds than what they actually are in real driving... I'm gonna say that whatever the rsx-s is doing in the magazine is probably .2 or.3 seconds faster than what others are gonna get. These people drive cars for a living, using expensive equipment and doing repeated tests with different drivers. If they are publishing a widely read magazine like that, they usually are gonna get their numbers right. If your information is correct about the cl-s with a supercharger, that is one of the first times I've seen their numbers wrong. more for your burgers...
more for your burgers...Ask 90% of the people on this forum... car magazines ALWAYS get times lower than what you'll see in real life track events.
Why do you think there is such a difference in times from R&T, C&D, Automobile, etc. Sometimes differences as great as 1 full second. Different cars of the same make and model run differently and different drivers will drive different cars differently!
Don't put so much faith in the numbers you read.
08-02-2005, 10:29 PM
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How come I've only seen like 4 or 5 people getting around the same time in the 3rd gen TL that Car and Driver gets (5.6)? The majority of people get around 6 or slower in 6MT A-specs. That's one relevant example out of many. I dunno, whatever man but from what I've seen, people almost always get slower times than magazines, be it Car and Driver or Road and Track or whatever.
08-02-2005, 10:55 PM
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Im a sec. gen TL-S and I raced the new 05 RSX type S. I had CAI and 3piece pulleys set. Didnt know what the RSX had but I heard an intake. First we went from 25mph roll and I jumped on him bad (maybe 1-2 cars). He started honking and flashing his lights to start over. Second we went from a 25mph roll again and he jumped a car on me when we took off (I took off late but went anyways) but it was dead even till 110mph. Then I got off my exit. I had no problems whopping on the 04 Type S and under but the new 05 are quick plus they look alot cleaner now.
08-03-2005, 12:37 AM
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I raced couple of times with my friend who has the '05 RSX TYPE-S.
I own an 05 automatic TL.... My friend is a pretty good driver.. but.. I've been winning all the time. doesn't matter if it's from the roll or dead stop. I won all the time..
I'm sure when he start modding it.. I would have no chance AT ALL..
3rd Gen. TLs are so heavy.. but much better car than any RSX though
I own an 05 automatic TL.... My friend is a pretty good driver.. but.. I've been winning all the time. doesn't matter if it's from the roll or dead stop. I won all the time..
I'm sure when he start modding it.. I would have no chance AT ALL..
3rd Gen. TLs are so heavy.. but much better car than any RSX though
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Stock for stock, the 3rd Gen auto will lose. The gearing on the 5 speed transmission will not pull as hard in the 3rd gear as the RSX-S will and this is where you will lose what little lead you had. If you had a 6-speed, it'll be a driver's race.
I have an 03 TL-S with all the bolt-ons and my friend has an 05 RSX-S. He ran a best time of 14.7 stock and now has some mods. I ran a best time of 14.4 with all my bolt-ons and I just barely beat him when he was stock.
I have an 03 TL-S with all the bolt-ons and my friend has an 05 RSX-S. He ran a best time of 14.7 stock and now has some mods. I ran a best time of 14.4 with all my bolt-ons and I just barely beat him when he was stock.
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I have a buddy with an 05' rsx-s he has intake, race header,exhaust and ecu and he walked a STi with a few bolt ons ...I mean those things are mean...oh and it was from a roll... I know we are talking about tl-s but I just wanted to emphasis how mean those things were with just bolt ons like steve said
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Originally Posted by JimmyTLS
Stock for stock, the 3rd Gen auto will lose. The gearing on the 5 speed transmission will not pull as hard in the 3rd gear as the RSX-S will and this is where you will lose what little lead you had. If you had a 6-speed, it'll be a driver's race.
I have an 03 TL-S with all the bolt-ons and my friend has an 05 RSX-S. He ran a best time of 14.7 stock and now has some mods. I ran a best time of 14.4 with all my bolt-ons and I just barely beat him when he was stock.
I have an 03 TL-S with all the bolt-ons and my friend has an 05 RSX-S. He ran a best time of 14.7 stock and now has some mods. I ran a best time of 14.4 with all my bolt-ons and I just barely beat him when he was stock.
I'm sorry, but RSX-S<TL Auto in stock form.
08-04-2005, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JimmyTLS
Stock for stock, the 3rd Gen auto will lose. The gearing on the 5 speed transmission will not pull as hard in the 3rd gear as the RSX-S will and this is where you will lose what little lead you had..
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Here you go
Ok, this info from MSN.com. With my own calculations.
lbs/hp
RSX-13.18
TL-12.83
So there it is, the TL has more power per pound, therefore, is faster; with good driver.
lbs/hp
RSX-13.18
TL-12.83
So there it is, the TL has more power per pound, therefore, is faster; with good driver.
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Originally Posted by stealth
Ok, this info from MSN.com. With my own calculations.
lbs/hp
RSX-13.18
TL-12.83
So there it is, the TL has more power per pound, therefore, is faster; with good driver.
lbs/hp
RSX-13.18
TL-12.83
So there it is, the TL has more power per pound, therefore, is faster; with good driver.
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I have a friend with a moded '02 or '03 RSX-S. Coil-overs, light wheels, DOT racing tires, intake, full exhaust, ECU, improved brakes, stabilizer bars, lightweight racing seats, strut bars front and rear, everything.
I've seen him smoke '05 RSX-S's at the street and at the track, from a stop and from a roll. When I say smoke I mean 2-3 cars. He is a very good 1/4 mile driver. When we go at it, he gets about 1/2 to 1 car in front of me on the straights. Keep in mind that my TL is bone stock.
In June, we went to VIR and I blew by him every single time I saw him. I mean it was nasty. On the turns, on the straights, on the braking zones, everywhere. After each run, he was like WTF ??? How the hell you passed me ??? TL has just more torque anywhere in the power band. Even after I passed, he could not keep up.
Why do I tell all this ??? Easy. Stock vs. Stock the one and only place an '05 RSX-S can beat a TL is on the 1/4 mile and from dead stop. After that, the TL is just gonna spank it, real bad !!!
I've seen him smoke '05 RSX-S's at the street and at the track, from a stop and from a roll. When I say smoke I mean 2-3 cars. He is a very good 1/4 mile driver. When we go at it, he gets about 1/2 to 1 car in front of me on the straights. Keep in mind that my TL is bone stock.
In June, we went to VIR and I blew by him every single time I saw him. I mean it was nasty. On the turns, on the straights, on the braking zones, everywhere. After each run, he was like WTF ??? How the hell you passed me ??? TL has just more torque anywhere in the power band. Even after I passed, he could not keep up.
Why do I tell all this ??? Easy. Stock vs. Stock the one and only place an '05 RSX-S can beat a TL is on the 1/4 mile and from dead stop. After that, the TL is just gonna spank it, real bad !!!
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Originally Posted by JS + TL
...and I won every time. Don't know what else to say...
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Originally Posted by flipskatemer
Exactly what I've been saying from the beginning. It's nice to see people who have actually proved that the TL is more than capable of beating the RSX-S.
08-04-2005, 03:50 PM
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I own both cars and by far the 04' TL is a faster car. Both from a roll and from a stop. my TL is manual with an intake. My rsx has intake header and Exhaust. Now with that they are pretty much equal. I have much better rubber on my rsx . once you reach over about 75-80 mph the tl just shits all over it. if you ask me you are comparing apples to oranges. both cars are in a compeltely different class and the TL is a much heavier and much more refined in acceleration smoothness.
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Originally Posted by Big Daddy1
yea just think what the outcome would be if ya paired off some 740lbs from the TL........it wouldn't be pretty 
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