dr_brains510

first of all, i've got an auto TL Type S (look at the avatar)....second, here are some stats I googled (tell me if i'm wrong):

BMW 2001 540i 0-60 in 5.5
BMW 2003 540iA 0-60 in 6.1
BMW 2004 545i 0-60 in 5.5 (some say 5.2)

Acura TL Type S 0-60 in 5.5

Now those are just numbers. So you can't just say that the BMW is faster than the Acura or the other way around. Before I forget, the BMW is a cow compared to the Acura. It had a lot to do w/ the driver. Now if I put a professional racer in his car against me, I'll prolly lose. That wasn't the case. When my friend and I did our friendly race, it was on a deserted highway (well it was deserted at the time) and we went from 0-90 mph and my car took his 545i stock vs. stock. I didn't smoke him by any means but he was on my rear bumper slowly pulling ahead but once we hit 90, we both stopped. We did it twice and the same result. The second time he was on my back door. Now that was when I was stock. Now I'm modified so I'm sure I'll take him by more. That is one of the rare times I street race. So if you are challenging me w/ your 540i...i'll gladly take you up on that but on the track. Next time I hit up the track won't be until summer or early fall. So I'll let you know.

iforyou

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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-2.html

Power (SAE net): 325 bhp @ 6100 rpm
Torque (SAE net):330 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Curb weight: 4000 lb
Zero to 60 mph: 5.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 23.5 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.0 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.1 sec @ 103 mph

So dr-brains510 is right on with the 545i. I'm not sure how the automatic would affect the acceleration but I guess it doesn't affect too much. However, we should look at the street start (5-60mph) instead as that's more realistic. Given that his TL-S is automatic, I don't think it will hit 60 in 5.5, more likely to me 6 too, which is similar to the 545i in this case. However, with a trap speed of 103mph, the 545i should pull away sooner or later. But then, ithese cars seem to be pretty close in performance and drivers' skills seem to be more important.

dr_brains510

^^^ exactly...btw his car is also automatic and prolly won't hit 60 in 5.5 either...but you hit it on the head iforyou....it's a drivers race....sure he'll pull away sooner or later...but we didn't go that fast for him to have that opportunity lol.

540idinan

Thats what I assumed but some people put fogs and stuff on their regular tls

Those sound about right. Except the auto on the TLs sucks a lot of power out of them. I can remember reading in a few threads on this site that the auto TL-S compares to the manual regular TL. The number that you quoted shows the manual version of your car. I don't mean to put down your car or anything because I would love to have one personally. Im actually getting a manual TL in the next few weeks.

Lets talk some more numbers...
2007 Acura TL Type-S-----3636 lbs-----286bhp----256ft.lbs of torque
2002 540i/6----------------3757 lbs-----290bhp----325ft.lbs of torque
2004 545i-------------------3803 lbs-----325bhp----330ft.lbs of torque
You can interpret them however you want, but I wanted to show that the 5 series is hardly a "cow". If you still insist that it is a cow, I insist that you drive one before making these assumptions.


In my opinion, the numbers just don't add up. Maybe he didn't have the car in sport mode or something...None the less, if thats actually how it happened, then good kill
Sounds good, just PM me and i'd be more than happy to set up a track day. Im in MD though. Don't know where your from....

dr_brains510

Maryland huh, I'm in Cali....I don't know how well that would work lol...but ya I've driven his 545i. It's definitely quick but it hauls ass (to me anyway)...as for the 540i, I've never really encountered one but from what you wrote, it should be a close run but if the 545i is as fast as the TLS, I don't think it shouldn't be a problem for the TLS. I've even read places that say the 540i is faster than the 545i. I don't know if thats true or not.

540idinan

haha^^that might make things a little difficult!!

ILLustriousUA6

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^ go to track and battle it out

540idinan

Im sure I can find a 540i on bimmerforums in cali that would be down for a little "testing" if any TL or TLS s wanna battle it out!! haha

iforyou

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Hmm 540idinan, I think the 3803lb that you posted for 545i is for a non-loaded one as C&D posted 4000lbs (as shown in the link I posted).

04-06 TL Auto, or basically any pre 2006, including 2nd gen, suck a lot of power. However Honda made changes to the auto tranny, in fact, the auto tranny is even stronger than the one used on the RL (as there's torque going to the front wheels, instead of all 4). The tranny is more aggressive and responsive than before. Not sure exactly how all these changes impact the performance of the 2007+ TL, but for sure there's improvement. By the way, 2nd gen TL-S auto with 260hp (more like 250 under new SAE) does 0-60 in 6.2s. I think it's save to assume that the 3rd gen TL-S AT should do the same in about 6 seconds.

According to C&D (again...), 540i is as fast as 545i to 60mph, 0.9 sec slower to 100mph. In other words, pretty close in terms of performance.

Finally, good luck to both of you if you guys do battle it out!

dr_brains510

he lives in maryland and I live in cali....do the math lol.

540idinan

Ill meet you in germany and we can race the ring! kdealcyathere!!

Syed

Agreed.

I test drove the 05 or 06 TL and it was decent. How did I know it was the 06 and older because the interior had that cheap plastic screen for the no navi's. The 07 + TL's have a nice clear looking screen for the non Navi's. When I did test drive the car in SS mode it was good. Then we bought the 07 TL and after break in I went nuts on it on SS mode and it felt like it had more power. I felt I was being pushed back really hard into the seat and it felt goooood. Also it shifted from one gear to the other alot faster compared to the test drive. When I shift up the RPM doesnt drop much but just a little and then continues to go. Loved that moment, especially the first time.

iforyou

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Thanks for the info! I read about the transmission changes on Temple of VTEC, but was hoping someone could confirm with that, and you did just that, perfect!

Were you able to shift from 1st to 2nd, or 2nd to 1st just by using the SS mode? It couldn't be done in 04-06. And how did it compared with 6MT? Is the gap closer?

ILLustriousUA6

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Let me rephrase...

Both of you go to a local track and see who get's the better 1/4 mile time....

dr_brains510

I will definitely be doing that...but after summer

Syed

Never tested the 6mt but would have loved to. I have my sister and mom driving the car sometimes therefore mt would be too difficult for them. Anyways, yes you can shift down from 3 to 2 or from a higher gear to a lower gear.

Also when you are on gear 1 and go full throttle then the gear doesn't shift automatically. I think most people knew about that.

myron

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didnt read the 2nd page but could it be that possibly bmw was a 5 series XI model? those are awd and they are heavy and stick to the road so the handeling is amazing

vkick

maybe... didn't see...can't verify

iforyou

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So they did make the change, because before, it's pretty much impossible to redline in first gear.

Syed

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=OPxHwO4nLjs

iforyou

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Awesome find! thanks!

iforyou

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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8P7SwV...eature=related

For those who say the VQ AT models shift early, well, that's also the case for older TL (04-06) 5AT too....1st gear only goes up to 6300rpm in SS mode with full throttle.