Sorry man the dude at the dyno mixed up the numbers when it was printed but yes it does do that if it is the 298hp g35, however the horesepower I quoted was for an 04 auto. Agian the formula works. take your car at 298 and minus the drivetrain loss of 15% for manual, what is you number? About 254. now on the auto the loss is around 20% and in 04 they where 280 right?. So the loss will now net you 224. on a manual it would be about 238 (15%) which is still in line with your 234. Numbers don't lie.

So what am I getting at for all those people who put down the tl-s.
Well I did have a 6 speed and found a seller to buy it from me because I had surgery on my knee years ago. since then I've been over compensating on the left and now having problems with the left. I have an integra 5 spd but it is not a daily driver so no biggie. So i lost about $1000 altogether and i made a buyer happy cause he did not want to wait for a NBP 6mt and wait to break it in.


Dyno results for the Tl-s is follows 239.95 hp and 201lbs tq. You guys in your mind are saying like Thats it? Well let me break it down for you so you understand and that the tl desevre's more than you think.

This is an automatic so the 20% loss has to come into play. But before we get into that lets look at the torque see why it is low and flat on the dynosheet. Back in 04-05 days I could rememer the torque steer issue. I had an 05 and felt it every time I went around a corner while flooring it. The wheel had a mind of it's own. Well when the 06 came out , honda said they would correct the torque steer problem which they did and many wondered how. i jumped into an 06 because the dealer destroyed my 05 and they had to give me a new one. i did notice that it did not pull as hard as the 05 but the torque steer was almost gone. Now i have the 07 tl-s and Honda did take care of the torque steer with the add ponies. How I asked and looking at the dyno and a prgram that displays what you car is doing on laptop through the obd port under the dash i found my answer.

WHen the car is at full throttle it is not at full throttle in the begining, say 1st ans 2nd gear after that it opens up to match the pedal. remember it is drive by wire so the ecu can do what ever it wants when you want to floor it. so looking at the dyno plots you can see that the torque curve is flat and stays flat even though the hp climbs. It is a good thing but also not a good thing. most cars peak out and then drop there torque in the later part of the powerband. but here it slightly climbs, pegs and basically says at or around 202. The drop at the end is when I got off the gas. So this car is underrated from factory and really does need rwd.

I know this car has potential beyond just bolt on's and is a little discourged that honda would not try to really shine. But in all i still love the car and just means the door is open for more power before your bolt on's, it just who will have the time to figure it out with reflashes or what ever.

Now for the horsepower thing. Honda claims that the car is 286 hp and 256 tq because of the SAE rating. what is the real hp? Take the 20% for auto from the 286, that leaves you with 228. That is not what I got. I got 239.95 which is 240 which is 80% of 300hp

here is my dyno sheet. I had to outline the torque because it did not show on my cheap scanner.
But 201 for the torque is lame and if there was a flash to unload the torque it would be around where the hp is. honda needs to wake up and make rwd an option for real





Here are some web sites that also on the line for the hp loss on the dyno

http://www.superstang.com/horsepower.htm

http://neptune.spacebears.com/opine/horsepwr.html

here are the pic's of the g35 and my type s on the dyno

 

this is just a copy post from a reply from the G35 vs tl-s thread

 

Interesting. I am glad you did a baseline dyno, I have been considering doing a dyno as well adn I have the AEM CAI on and also my mid muffler removed. I have 6mt too. hmm... What are you going to do to your S?

 

this is not the 6mt. i sold it to someone and got the auto instead. bad knee started to act up on me on the clutch leg

 

So you claim that your toque curve is flat because the ECU is controlling the torque to the wheels at 1st and 2nd gear?

with the 3.5L engine, having only 205lb/ft of torque seems week! Does anyone know what is the torque for a stock 04-06 TL?

On the other hand, 240whp for a stock TL seems like a good number! Can't imagine how much power it will put out with all bolts on and supercharger!

 

this is not the 6mt. i sold it to someone and got the auto instead. bad knee started to act up on me on the clutch leg

 

Alright man, calm down! lol j/k. I was actually just trying to let you know I have a 6mt, not saying that I have one like yours. My bad. But yeah, mine should dyno well being a 6mt with the CAI and removed premuffler. I am working with Outlaw eng right now trying to get the right thermoblock spacers on the way and I will be calling US tomorrow when their tech guys are back from SEMA.

 

cool. I was not mad. I just said that I did have a 6mt tl-s but got rid of it for the auto. no beef. Let me know about those spacers though

 

yeah for sure. Are you going to throw on a CAI?

 

I was just checking the baseline dyno on various 04-06 TL and it seems their torque is somewhere around 200lb/ft as well. I am surprised you 3.5L only dynoed at 201lb/ft.

What gear were you in when you run the dyno?

 

Look this better stay on topic for 07 dyno. The last thing I want in another G35 comparison thread...

 

LOL...this is on topic.. I am putting a typeS engine in my 06 so I care more about the power from the 3.5L more then the 3.2L.

I am just comparing the power between the two. Don't you guys expect a bit more torque from a 3.5L engine as compared with a 3.2L?

 

Also, as you have suggested, the flat torque curve is due to the fact that the ECU is adjusting the power in 1st and 2nd gear. Does that mean the graph you showed does not actually reflect the true power the engine can give out?

If the dyno was done in 3rd gear, wouldn't the ECU not limit the power to the wheels and produce and different torque curve on the graph?

 

I'm gonna throw mine on the dyno after the break in period.

It's gonna be interesting to see the differences between 6MT vs. AT.

 

please do cuase I know the 6mt will be more in the hp

 

yes but other things are at play. I dont knoow yet but it affects the throttle in 1-2 after that it could be an adjustment with fuel and timing. All I know is that this motor is bigger and the torque should not be flat like that. I really think honda detuned this motor because of the torque steer and this motor has a good deal of potential.

 

3rd gear. Agian I think it more than just 1st and2nd gear. because the torque should follow hp. Agian this motor is detuned from honda. But funny it still is an improvment over the pre years.

 

The MT should good for about 5 HP.

 

TL looks better then 35

 

typically a auto needs about 50 hp to run where as a mt needs about 35hp to run. That is where they get the 15% to 20%.

 

I've never seen a dyno sheet that used speed as a scale. Tell them to give it to you in rpm...like it should be.

Next, those are STD numbers. Have them print out the sheet in SAE...like it should be.

 

Yeah, it seemed a little high. My STD # is 17 more HP than my SAE #. Please have them print out the sheet in SAE.

 

Very nice numbers.....esp. for the auto, which notoriously robs alot of power from TL's....

 

The other reason you want the sheet in rpm is so you can tell if the operator has manipulated the numbers in any way. That's not uncommon...although it would make no sense to do so in your case. But torque and hp MUST intersect at 5252 rpm! I don't care if you're looking at a lawnmower or Cup car...it has to intersect at 5252 rpm. That's because a dyno (ALL dyno's) measure torque...not horse power. Horse power is a calculated number. As a result of that formula, they will always intersect at that rpm.

 

it does intersect at 5252 but that is what was printed. But trust me if I wanted to change something on the sheet it would go in favor of the tl, That is why I said i was dissappointed in the torque curve and honda needs to stop playing around. I will get anew sheet with the rpm

 

I wasn't insinuating you changed anything. As a matter of fact, I even mentioned it wouldn't make sense in this case. But believe me...I've seen a lot of "playing with the numbers". You would be amazed. Your graph looks legitimate in every way. It's just displayed in a way I've never seen (speed) and it's STD numbers.

 

Kobi, if you can get the dynojet files I have the software to adjust the graph so we can show the rpms, etc. If you can get the files and send them to me I can do this for you.