Thinking about an 04TL
07-14-2005, 04:29 PM
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Thinking about an 04TL
Hey guys,
Hows it going? I'm from the TSX forum. I drive an 05 auto/navi TSX. I am thinking about the TL because the TSX has a steering wheel nibbling around back and forth. The dealer has continuously tried to fix the problem and in the end when they couldn't fix it, tried to tell me it's normal. I tried calling Acura and they basically tell me that they can do anything unless the dealer says something is up. I took it to another dealer, and they tell me to go back to the first dealer. I am submitting paperwork for a lemon law claim tomorrow.
Meanwhile... i have been looking at TL's. I saw an 04 TL with 28k miles on it listed for $28k which costs about the same as my tsx. It's an auto with navi. It's also a certified preowned so i'll get the 7yr 100k warranty on it.
My question was, are there any differences between ht e04/05 models? i tried to search but i must not be getting the correct keywork because i can't find any threads on this.
Also, What are some of the more common problems with the 04's? Did they fix them in 05? I know about the transmission problem and the seat problem from reading. But are there any others that i should be aware of?
thanks
Hows it going? I'm from the TSX forum. I drive an 05 auto/navi TSX. I am thinking about the TL because the TSX has a steering wheel nibbling around back and forth. The dealer has continuously tried to fix the problem and in the end when they couldn't fix it, tried to tell me it's normal. I tried calling Acura and they basically tell me that they can do anything unless the dealer says something is up. I took it to another dealer, and they tell me to go back to the first dealer. I am submitting paperwork for a lemon law claim tomorrow.
Meanwhile... i have been looking at TL's. I saw an 04 TL with 28k miles on it listed for $28k which costs about the same as my tsx. It's an auto with navi. It's also a certified preowned so i'll get the 7yr 100k warranty on it.
My question was, are there any differences between ht e04/05 models? i tried to search but i must not be getting the correct keywork because i can't find any threads on this.
Also, What are some of the more common problems with the 04's? Did they fix them in 05? I know about the transmission problem and the seat problem from reading. But are there any others that i should be aware of?
thanks
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07-15-2005, 05:57 PM
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28K for a used 04 with 28K miles is not work it. alot of people have been getting 32500 for a brand new 05 lately and for the extra 4500 i would go with a brand new one instead. differences between the 04 and 05 are very slight. the 04 has a problem with butt prints on the seats but they put in extra stitching in the 05 to fix that. i think there is a passenger disable airbag button in the 05 as well on the dash. other than that they are identical cars. there were a couple of bugs on the 04 that were pretty much fixed on the later model 04's so the 05's have not had any inheritted problems.
07-15-2005, 06:35 PM
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$28K for an 04TL with 28000 miles is not worth it. You would be better off with a brand new 05TL in my opinion. Not much differences except what caball88 mentioned and the fact that 05TL w/ NAV comes with Michelin tires instead of the crappy Bridgestones.
07-15-2005, 07:31 PM
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My bad, it's actually only got 23000 miles on it.
Anyways... point taken with the "it's not worth it".
It's just that 32500 is a little out of my price range, i may be able to push it... but i doubt any dealership in my state would go that low. Most Acura dealers in Ga aren't even willing to budge on the price. I had to bring in 2 other buyers with my TSX in order to get a deal better than 300 off MSRP.
Anyways... point taken with the "it's not worth it".
It's just that 32500 is a little out of my price range, i may be able to push it... but i doubt any dealership in my state would go that low. Most Acura dealers in Ga aren't even willing to budge on the price. I had to bring in 2 other buyers with my TSX in order to get a deal better than 300 off MSRP.
07-16-2005, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Alin10123
My bad, it's actually only got 23000 miles on it.
Anyways... point taken with the "it's not worth it".
It's just that 32500 is a little out of my price range, i may be able to push it... but i doubt any dealership in my state would go that low. Most Acura dealers in Ga aren't even willing to budge on the price. I had to bring in 2 other buyers with my TSX in order to get a deal better than 300 off MSRP.
Anyways... point taken with the "it's not worth it".
It's just that 32500 is a little out of my price range, i may be able to push it... but i doubt any dealership in my state would go that low. Most Acura dealers in Ga aren't even willing to budge on the price. I had to bring in 2 other buyers with my TSX in order to get a deal better than 300 off MSRP.
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07-16-2005, 11:05 AM
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Well, guys I can't agree. $4500 is $4500, and the warranty is essentially brought back to new, since it's extended to 100K. Heck, he'll have more warranty than those who bought NEW! The warranty makes the difference in the buy/don't buy decision for me. The question is what does the extra $4500 buy? A newer car, with slightly different features. I say this is a deal comapred to new! Go for it!
07-16-2005, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by fast-tl
Well, guys I can't agree. $4500 is $4500, and the warranty is essentially brought back to new, since it's extended to 100K. Heck, he'll have more warranty than those who bought NEW! The warranty makes the difference in the buy/don't buy decision for me. The question is what does the extra $4500 buy? A newer car, with slightly different features. I say this is a deal comapred to new! Go for it!
I agree 100%. $4500 is a HUGE difference for one year, and essentially no differences in features. That is around $90 a month in payment!!!
I had the ability to go with an 04 or 05, but I went with an 04 with 14k miles on it. I think it is silly to buy a new one when there weren't any significant differences between 04 and 05.
07-16-2005, 12:11 PM
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That maybe true and yes the car is certified pre-owned. But there is no way of telling how the car was treated in those 23000 miles. It could have been abused by the previous owner. Maybe there were problems with the car. Can't tell for sure. At least with a brand new car, he has the opportunity to break it in properly and have the car adjust to his driving style. 
Whatever you decide, good luck. Hope to see you in a TL soon.
Whatever you decide, good luck. Hope to see you in a TL soon.
07-16-2005, 04:28 PM
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The car comes with a 100K warranty and the pre-certified thorough inspection, so what's your point? If any signs of abuse don't show up before 100K miles, they're not gonna show. If they do, he has warranty coverage.
If the car already had 50K miles, you and I might be on the same page, but this car is essentially a year old.
What's the likelihood that with only 23K miles, the car has suffered much abuse. It's only been due for an oil change or two. Not much time for abuse to have occurred. I say buy used, save money, get better warranty than new. How could he lose?
If the car already had 50K miles, you and I might be on the same page, but this car is essentially a year old.
What's the likelihood that with only 23K miles, the car has suffered much abuse. It's only been due for an oil change or two. Not much time for abuse to have occurred. I say buy used, save money, get better warranty than new. How could he lose?
07-16-2005, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MR1
I wouldn't fall in love just yet. The lemon law return does not sound like a lock imho.
Why do you say it's not a sure thing? Even if after my attorney wrote them a letter informing them of the situation and they decided they wanted another crack at it to fix it, i wouldn't let them. I have been in the shop too many times and they have tried too many times to jerk me around by telling me "it's normal" because they can't solve the problem and are hoping that i'd just go away. Even Acura customer relations says they can't authorize a repair unless the dealership says there's something wrong, and he says any part i replace on there isn't going to smooth it out because the car was designed like that.
I'm usually very patient when it comes to this kind of stuff. But i've owned my tsx for over 90 days now and i've informed them of this problem since day1.
I've even got the service receipts that say something along the lines of "the steering wheel nibble was verified and is normal on some road surfaces.".
There's a newly paved section of highway on my way to work. The steering even does it on that newly paved highway. So what's their excuse now???
07-17-2005, 09:12 AM
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If I'm correct, I believe the lemon law applies to something that seriously affects the usability of the car. A vibrating steering wheel may or may not qualify as rendering the car unusable. Of course, laws vary from state to state, so....
07-17-2005, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by fast-tl
If I'm correct, I believe the lemon law applies to something that seriously affects the usability of the car. A vibrating steering wheel may or may not qualify as rendering the car unusable. Of course, laws vary from state to state, so....
http://www.autolemonlaws.com/georgia/lemonlawrights.htm
That's where i got my resources from.
07-17-2005, 05:52 PM
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I think the more important page on that site is:
http://www.autolemonlaws.com/georgia/lemonlaw.htm
See below for what I was referring to:
(13) "Nonconformity" means a defect, serious safety defect, or condition that substantially impairs the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle to the consumer, but does not include a defect or condition that is the result of abuse, neglect, or unauthorized modification or alteration of the new motor vehicle.
(19) "Serious safety defect" means a life-threatening malfunction or nonconformity.
(20) "Substantially impair" means to render the new motor vehicle unreliable, or unsafe for ordinary use, or to diminish the resale value of the new motor vehicle more than a meaningful amount below the average resale value for comparable motor vehicles.
Hopefully your issue is majot enough that it warrants replacement, since they can't seem to fix it so far, but it doesn't seem like an easy standard to meet. An annoying condittion isn't the same as "substantially impairing" the usability of the vehicle. I hope you're able to wrangle a TL out of the deal.
http://www.autolemonlaws.com/georgia/lemonlaw.htm
See below for what I was referring to:
(13) "Nonconformity" means a defect, serious safety defect, or condition that substantially impairs the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle to the consumer, but does not include a defect or condition that is the result of abuse, neglect, or unauthorized modification or alteration of the new motor vehicle.
(19) "Serious safety defect" means a life-threatening malfunction or nonconformity.
(20) "Substantially impair" means to render the new motor vehicle unreliable, or unsafe for ordinary use, or to diminish the resale value of the new motor vehicle more than a meaningful amount below the average resale value for comparable motor vehicles.
Hopefully your issue is majot enough that it warrants replacement, since they can't seem to fix it so far, but it doesn't seem like an easy standard to meet. An annoying condittion isn't the same as "substantially impairing" the usability of the vehicle. I hope you're able to wrangle a TL out of the deal.
07-20-2005, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by fast-tl
I think the more important page on that site is:
http://www.autolemonlaws.com/georgia/lemonlaw.htm
See below for what I was referring to:
(13) "Nonconformity" means a defect, serious safety defect, or condition that substantially impairs the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle to the consumer, but does not include a defect or condition that is the result of abuse, neglect, or unauthorized modification or alteration of the new motor vehicle.
(19) "Serious safety defect" means a life-threatening malfunction or nonconformity.
(20) "Substantially impair" means to render the new motor vehicle unreliable, or unsafe for ordinary use, or to diminish the resale value of the new motor vehicle more than a meaningful amount below the average resale value for comparable motor vehicles.
Hopefully your issue is majot enough that it warrants replacement, since they can't seem to fix it so far, but it doesn't seem like an easy standard to meet. An annoying condittion isn't the same as "substantially impairing" the usability of the vehicle. I hope you're able to wrangle a TL out of the deal.
http://www.autolemonlaws.com/georgia/lemonlaw.htm
See below for what I was referring to:
(13) "Nonconformity" means a defect, serious safety defect, or condition that substantially impairs the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle to the consumer, but does not include a defect or condition that is the result of abuse, neglect, or unauthorized modification or alteration of the new motor vehicle.
(19) "Serious safety defect" means a life-threatening malfunction or nonconformity.
(20) "Substantially impair" means to render the new motor vehicle unreliable, or unsafe for ordinary use, or to diminish the resale value of the new motor vehicle more than a meaningful amount below the average resale value for comparable motor vehicles.
Hopefully your issue is majot enough that it warrants replacement, since they can't seem to fix it so far, but it doesn't seem like an easy standard to meet. An annoying condittion isn't the same as "substantially impairing" the usability of the vehicle. I hope you're able to wrangle a TL out of the deal.
Yea, i read that part.
But there's a comma there. The comma means "or" not "and" right?
"noncomformity" means a defect.
So a defect is a defect, am i correct?
07-20-2005, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Alin10123
My bad, it's actually only got 23000 miles on it.
Anyways... point taken with the "it's not worth it".
It's just that 32500 is a little out of my price range, i may be able to push it... but i doubt any dealership in my state would go that low. Most Acura dealers in Ga aren't even willing to budge on the price. I had to bring in 2 other buyers with my TSX in order to get a deal better than 300 off MSRP.
Anyways... point taken with the "it's not worth it".
It's just that 32500 is a little out of my price range, i may be able to push it... but i doubt any dealership in my state would go that low. Most Acura dealers in Ga aren't even willing to budge on the price. I had to bring in 2 other buyers with my TSX in order to get a deal better than 300 off MSRP.
Oh yes the dealers in Atlanta will "deal" now on TL's. Know this as bought mine in June. Look at Carland, Voyles, and Nalley's lots, no shortage of product.
07-20-2005, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Alin10123
My bad, it's actually only got 23000 miles on it.
Anyways... point taken with the "it's not worth it".
It's just that 32500 is a little out of my price range, i may be able to push it... but i doubt any dealership in my state would go that low. Most Acura dealers in Ga aren't even willing to budge on the price. I had to bring in 2 other buyers with my TSX in order to get a deal better than 300 off MSRP.
Anyways... point taken with the "it's not worth it".
It's just that 32500 is a little out of my price range, i may be able to push it... but i doubt any dealership in my state would go that low. Most Acura dealers in Ga aren't even willing to budge on the price. I had to bring in 2 other buyers with my TSX in order to get a deal better than 300 off MSRP.
In what part of Atlanta do you live?
07-20-2005, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Alin10123
Hey guys,
Hows it going? I'm from the TSX forum. I drive an 05 auto/navi TSX. I am thinking about the TL because the TSX has a steering wheel nibbling around back and forth. The dealer has continuously tried to fix the problem and in the end when they couldn't fix it, tried to tell me it's normal. I tried calling Acura and they basically tell me that they can do anything unless the dealer says something is up. I took it to another dealer, and they tell me to go back to the first dealer. I am submitting paperwork for a lemon law claim tomorrow.
Meanwhile... i have been looking at TL's. I saw an 04 TL with 28k miles on it listed for $28k which costs about the same as my tsx. It's an auto with navi. It's also a certified preowned so i'll get the 7yr 100k warranty on it.
My question was, are there any differences between ht e04/05 models? i tried to search but i must not be getting the correct keywork because i can't find any threads on this.
Also, What are some of the more common problems with the 04's? Did they fix them in 05? I know about the transmission problem and the seat problem from reading. But are there any others that i should be aware of?
thanks
Hows it going? I'm from the TSX forum. I drive an 05 auto/navi TSX. I am thinking about the TL because the TSX has a steering wheel nibbling around back and forth. The dealer has continuously tried to fix the problem and in the end when they couldn't fix it, tried to tell me it's normal. I tried calling Acura and they basically tell me that they can do anything unless the dealer says something is up. I took it to another dealer, and they tell me to go back to the first dealer. I am submitting paperwork for a lemon law claim tomorrow.
Meanwhile... i have been looking at TL's. I saw an 04 TL with 28k miles on it listed for $28k which costs about the same as my tsx. It's an auto with navi. It's also a certified preowned so i'll get the 7yr 100k warranty on it.
My question was, are there any differences between ht e04/05 models? i tried to search but i must not be getting the correct keywork because i can't find any threads on this.
Also, What are some of the more common problems with the 04's? Did they fix them in 05? I know about the transmission problem and the seat problem from reading. But are there any others that i should be aware of?
thanks
The 04 was the model year for the 3g TL... that is not what I call a good move. That car is way over priced for a 2 year old car. That's right the 06s are around the corner.
As for problems... If acura cannot fix the TSX issue why would you want to buy another model from them that could have an issue that cannot be fixed as well.
If you finance the interest rate on a used model is typically higher and the term typically shorter. Of course acura wants to move cars and they do all kinds of things nowadays...
07-20-2005, 12:02 PM
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A defect or condtion has to substantially impair the usability of the car, was my point. A condition where the power button on the radio won't shut off is not likely to get you a new car is my point. That doesn't substantially impair the usability of the car. Keep us posted, though.
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