Actuary

With gas prices this high, G35 owners are hit even harder than TL owners.
I believe G35 only gets 26-27MPG highway. I saw M45 one day and I was laughing cuz that thing eats more gas than RL(23MPG I believe).

I kinda wonder how toyota made that big looking avalon with better mileage than TL. Either they are better at making fuel efficient engine or numbers are inflated.

BigTone

yeah but which looks nicer

i'll take the TL over the avalon or 4 door g35 anyday

so far my MID after 3600 miles says i'm getting 17MPG in TL

xcelir8TL

After 9K miles, MID shows 17MPG too!

BigTone

wow its scary to think there is someone else out there driving a TL as aggressively as me lol

i have the automatic, but its in sport shift mode almost entire ride.

i'll keep a lookout in my rearview for you

IL_TL

Wow. I drive my 6MT pretty hard and the MID still shows 26 MPG, avg MPH 40, 7100 miles on the MID. The car has 12,500 on the clock and frequently goes just shy of the rev limiter. On the highway it is usually cruising at 75-80 mph.

You guys must drive autox style all the time.

My Jeep gets 14.5 MPG (down from 18) with the lift and tires.

Toasterthedog

I can't complain about the TL at all, Hwy I prolly average 28 or so...and are the majority of my miles. City is alot closer to 16-17. I'm coming from an IS and that inline 6 got horrible gas milage.

PoochaKannInc

The G & the TL get very similar mileage. No use thanking God (for this reason at least)...

Actuary

I read real life mileage sucks for G35s. There was discussion about this on consumerreports I believe.

I heard Infiniti advertised 2030 (City/Hwy) for G35 in 2003 in Canada and had to use 20/26 (or something like that) after lot of complaints.

TL gives great mileage on highway and not good in city. Sucky part is most of my driving is under 30MPH. Now.. only if TL came with VCM (cylinder deactivation thing) that would be nice. 2006 Odyssey touring added 2 or 3 MPG from that new technology as well as i-vtec.

avs007

You have to compair canadian numbers to other canadian numbers, because they use the imperial gallon, wheras the US doesn't.

But anyways, I have both a TL and a G35, and they get about the same mileage in real-world driving. And both my wife and I put on at least 80 miles per day.

I've been averaging about 22mpg in my G35, which is exactly what my wife has been averaging in her TL.

1FasTL

You folks all must drive aggressively. I average 28 MPG most of the time with 70% Hwy and 30% city/surface roads. The better TL mileage was one of the selling points over the G35. Read their boards and they all are getting 17 mpg........22 or 23 on the highway. Of course I'm sure they stomp the go pedal too!!!!

mickey3c

I own both cars and the G35 I have is the x model which is averaging 23/24 a gallon. That's mostly highway. The TL is getting 27. The G has a 20 gallon tank so it goes the same distance on a tankful.

that tank used to cost 6 bucks more now more like 10... Do I feel any pain lol nope the TL has a set of snows which cost about 1000 or so with rims.. At 6 bucks a week it would take 3 years for the operating costs to equal out.

BigTone

i should clarify,

at 3600 miles MID says 17MPH 23MPH. i have a short commute and not too much highway action yet.

crazymjb

If one is financially unset enough they are worrying about 3 dollar a gallon gas they should not have bot a 35k car IMO. My mother is getting the magnum with a hemi in december(so she says probably be around may)(possibly durango, but same engine), that I can complain about 12-13 mpg. If you want good milage and space then get an accord hybrid, or a prius, but dont get a car with a 270 HP engine.

mickey3c

getting a hemi is just playing into the hands of big oil and is probably considered irresponsible from and environment and supply standpoint. Do not want to start a flame war but not many people need to get a durango and get 13 mpg...



and the acura has a 258 hp engine lol...

Greg-ster

The accord hybrid has 253 hp, only 5 less than the TL.

It gets better mileage, less emissions (PZEV), and uses regular...

Juronimo

The MID says I'm getting 23mpg.

Actuary

Is accord hybrid almost 30k? Regular V6 is 24-27K?

Civic is even more ridiculous.
22K for gas, 20K for hybrid, 13K for base and 18K for top of line

Exact same looking, almost twice the price difference from base. Although base doesn't come with any extras like hybrid or gas.

I would buy one if it narrows down to less than 2k difference.

Actuary

I wonder what kind of numbers Avalon get. That car seems to have best EPA mileage in our league. (Or did they inflate number by making 5th gear really low and made engine rev like at 1500 on highway? - just a stupid thought)

By the way I just checked out toyota website and they seem to be using new SAE number. Avalon is rated at 268 now.

TLTrance

One thing I would mention is that the longer between MID resets, the more likely your MID will read a low average in MPG, since it is including the time when in the city, and even the time used in stopping/complete stops. Thus, if you want to get a gauge of what the MPG will be during certain types of driving, reset it before doing ONLY that type of driving (city only, freeway only).

Adobeman

Man am I getting tired of this MPG/price of gas thing. If people aren't comfortable with with the MPG they are getting then too bad. You saw the sticker on the car and you certainly could do the research on real world experiences with the car. When I was shopping one of my criteria was that any car I considered needed to get around 30MPG highway. I get 27MPG average (per MID) with a mix of driving. So I think I got what I expected. I didn't expect 40 or 20.

So If the price of gas goes up that sucks but I made my "30 MPG bed" and I'm gonna sleep in it. I get 2MPG more than my old car and almost 100HP more. I'd say that's a pretty good deal. I'm really sorry to say this but...frankly, Actuary, your rant is beginning to tire me. This isn't your first post about MPG, $/gallon or skimping on octane and how it all is so bad. Perhaps you should have gone for a higher MPG car.

But, Since your a TL owner you obviously have taste so I will cut you some slack. It's my friends that drive SUVs that I have no mercy on when they complain.

Actuary

I'm glad you are getting 27MPG with mix. Because I am getting 17MPG with mix. So real life MPG impacts me a lot more than people who can cruise at higher speed.

By the way Bush didn't regulate those H2s and Excursions. That's ridiculous. Those trucks are eating probably 3 times more gas than our cars.

vsizzle

The turnpike, GSP, Route 17, and all other routes are my roads stay out of my way. That might of been me you saw passing you.

crazymjb

Actually 255(you said 253) HP is is 15 less than the TL, and it puts out 6 foot pounds less. The PZEV(non hybrid) model puts out even less at a stunning 160/161.

Greg-ster

We are talking about '06 models of all aforementioned cars....they are not making '05's anymore.

jcondon

Believe it or not people's finance can change over a couple of years in the real world.
People lose jobs. Get new ones making less. Get married, buy houses, have kids. Get sick, get divorced etc. Some people might end up having to comute allot further.
They also need to heat their house (and if they have Oil for heat) the price of Oil will affect them. Sure its 'only' a couple grand a year for most people. Life is easy when its other peoples money.

crazymjb

He just got his. I know situations change, but if its so dire you can no longer afford gas(especially when its just because it rose a buck or so) you should consider trading your car for something cheaper, or for something more economic.

Tunerman

Whats wrong with 26-27 highway? That is great gas mileage really.

Joeski

All toyota/lexus will be rated at new SAE ratings for '06.
And reving at 1500rpm @ 60mph is not that bad, seeing as my 02 type-s runs at 1750rpm @ 60mph.

I own a G35C too and I do notice it's taking up a bit more gas then my TL. But I also drive it a lot harder then I do my TL. So that's no comparo. But I do notice the 3gallon difference in tank size.

Mike_TX

Oh, puhleeeze. Big Oil my ass. Hamburgers have gone up a lot in the last ten years, too ... is that Big Hamburger raping us? You'd better be happy Big Oil is there or you'd be going to work on your 10-speed.

How about we start a thread on Global Warming? Jeez.

crazymjb

^I agree, thanks Mike. BTW, I am skeptic of global warming, although I have no doubt that emissions do effect the environment negativly, but the warming and melting trends are not noticably different between when they first started charting(before cars) and now. Temp has always been going up. Anyway, I am going to start a global warming post/poll in ramblings. Check it out.

Actuary

That's great? Look at Avalon. Great means almost best in league. 26-27 isn't best. It's only average or low among 4 door cars

Actuary

I didn't say revving at 1500 is bad. I said how did they achive 32MPG with that Avalon, must got very low final gear ratio.

TampaMike

We have an new Avalon LTD in the family, and it does not quite deliver the mileage I am getting with my TL. Driving the same loop to work, same conditions I am avergaing 25-26 mpg with the TL and 22-23 with the Avalon. The Avalon is a great car, but more a touring sedan, less sport tuned as the TL. Though the Avalon does exceptional on the highway (in my opinion) but it does not hold up as well in more city driving as the TL. The TL of course also has the sporty edge over the Avalon. I find myself insinctively driving the TL harder, where the Avalon becomes cumbersome. The Avalon best delivers when relaxed and not taxed.

Now I know some of you are reporting lower mpg than 20, but I would expect you are driving your TL harder than you would drive an Avalon. That said, if you could drive the Avalon as you drive the TL, I do not see the Avalon delivering the better mpg of the 2 cars. Still, 30 mpg on the highway for the BIG Avalon is commendable, and I have seen 33 mpg on the same drive with my TL.

It is a reasonable difference being the way the 2 cars are designed and tuned. For my tastes, I believe Honda has done an exceptional balance of performance, economy and ULEV2 with the TL. Take off some of that sporting edge the TL has, and you are likely to match the Avalon #s. But I really do not see them as apples to apples comparisons.

Its all about the balance. Give up some economy or emissions,get some performance or size & weight.

vtecracer

Look up the gear ratio numbers for the Avalon and then you will understand how it gets good mileage.

psteng19

If you read the RL boards, it gets pretty bad mileage too.
At least with the M45 you get V8 torque on-demand

mp3car

I would love to have those two cars in my garage (well i have the TL in there, but it'd be nice to have a G35 sitting next to it too since it was a toss up in the begining which one to get... it's like in college... do I wan't do date this girl, or that girl...hmmm... both??) I'm jealous!!

neffster

I averaged 22mpg in my slightly modded 2004.5 G35 coupe (NA) with ~22,000 miles on it. It had intake, headers, intake manifold, high flow cats, exhaust, heavier wheels, suspension, etc...

After the Vortech S/C install (3.12 pulley, 388rwhp and 331rwtp @ 9psi of boost on 93 octane) I can average 25mph on the highway or 12mpg if I constantly get on it everytime I hit the gas.

Do the gasoline prices bother me? Sort of.
Can I afford it none the less? Yes.
If I pull up next to a TL at a stoplight will I floor the heck out of it for fun? You better believe it...

Actuary

How is Avalon's acceleration? Is it quicker than TL?

mickey3c

Power delivery and gearing is much different which can account for some of the magazine results and of course personal preference. I think aside from gearing the stock intake on both cars make a difference in 0-60 times. Acura has more features for the price and I am comfy enough in either car. Throttle response is different as well and especially at certain speeds.

Not sure about the avalon since it was not out in january. But the ES330 while solid and delivering 240 torque at 3600 RPMs sure did not feel like it. I think it was about 36k for the one I was driving but some freatures like traction control, heated seats, HID lights, and a CD changer are optional. I think many of us do not want to have to pay extra for those

Monte TLS,MAX

Just judging by what I have read and heard the Avalon is quicker...did you see that time C/D got out of it recently 14.6 @ 99mph 0-60 in 6 flat. This car has some serious top end and even beat out most test of the manual TL the auto TL numbers aren't even close especially in the trap speed area.