Speechless, Philips 85122+ Are Amazing!
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Speechless, Philips 85122+ Are Amazing!
I just finished installing ZKWr lenses and Philips 85122+ HID bulbs in my headlights. Right away the cut off is razor blade sharp. Even sharpers than TSXs. Its bright too, I used to have to run the fogs to fill in the dimness of my 5 year old Osrams. But now I can barely tell if I have the fogs on or off. One thing that sucks is I had a headlight replaced a couple years ago because of fogging. So one of my headlights is like ________/-------- and the other is _________l--------- I didn't notice it until I put in the ZKWr lenses. I had to re aim them because they are so freaking bright.
The color, is just what I wanted, Bright white.
Thank you JNC for your recommendation.
The color, is just what I wanted, Bright white.
Thank you JNC for your recommendation.
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Can you post pics? Did you leave the foreground limiter in the projector?
I just did the same exact mod, and I'm impressed! The only thing that irks me is the dead spot created by the foreground limiter, but they say that cutting it reduces intensity. I guess I'll get used to it!
I just did the same exact mod, and I'm impressed! The only thing that irks me is the dead spot created by the foreground limiter, but they say that cutting it reduces intensity. I guess I'll get used to it!
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I just finished installing ZKWr lenses and Philips 85122+ HID bulbs in my headlights. Right away the cut off is razor blade sharp. Even sharpers than TSXs. Its bright too, I used to have to run the fogs to fill in the dimness of my 5 year old Osrams. But now I can barely tell if I have the fogs on or off. One thing that sucks is I had a headlight replaced a couple years ago because of fogging. So one of my headlights is like ________/-------- and the other is _________l--------- I didn't notice it until I put in the ZKWr lenses. I had to re aim them because they are so freaking bright.
The color, is just what I wanted, Bright white.
Thank you JNC for your recommendation.
The color, is just what I wanted, Bright white.
Thank you JNC for your recommendation.
Glade you like them as much as I love mine . The cut off difference means that one of your headlight had been replaced in the past since the step style cut off was only produced int 04 and some 05 headlights. All the replacement headlights for 04-05 models that were produced later had the slope style cut off.
I was afraid that you might not like the bulbs as they certainly are bright but are yellow as well compared to colorshifted old OEM bulbs.
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Can you post pics? Did you leave the foreground limiter in the projector?
I just did the same exact mod, and I'm impressed! The only thing that irks me is the dead spot created by the foreground limiter, but they say that cutting it reduces intensity. I guess I'll get used to it!
I just did the same exact mod, and I'm impressed! The only thing that irks me is the dead spot created by the foreground limiter, but they say that cutting it reduces intensity. I guess I'll get used to it!
The foreground limiter is not there to reduce output but is to refrain projectors to cause glare within the headlight. If you position your seat you can barely notice lack of output in front of the car at night.
Also, cutting it does reduce light intensity.
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These are old pictures but it should give you an idea. One TL step cut off projector with real ZKW lens, the lens isnt spaced properly thats why you see the cut being a bit blurry.
Projector with the ZKW lens and use 85122+ bulb
Stock projector with stock lens and used 85122+ bulb
Projector with the ZKW lens and use 85122+ bulb
Stock projector with stock lens and used 85122+ bulb
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I posted the following pictures in another thread as well, they are from a fellow member on HIDplanet. TL projectors have the foreground limiter removed, I am trying to show how the output looks when the lenses are properly spaced. Very very slight hint of color at the cut off, just enough though for intense flicker effect.
Originally Posted by Power_Getter
Beam shot :
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Glade you like them as much as I love mine . The cut off difference means that one of your headlight had been replaced in the past since the step style cut off was only produced int 04 and some 05 headlights. All the replacement headlights for 04-05 models that were produced later had the slope style cut off.
I was afraid that you might not like the bulbs as they certainly are bright but are yellow as well compared to colorshifted old OEM bulbs.
I was afraid that you might not like the bulbs as they certainly are bright but are yellow as well compared to colorshifted old OEM bulbs.
As far as the color. I wanted a nice bright white beam on the ground than the blue that blends in with a dark road.
The 85122 doesn't not have the intensity like the 85122+ does.
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Wow..that IS bright. It's like you have the high beams on all the time.
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Not sure how "worth it" it would be, but I figure every little bit helps. Especially when running 6000k you are sacrificing brightness for color. It will definately have a diminished effect, you are talking about 2400 lumens for the 6000k Philips Ultinons versus 3400 lumens on those 4300k 85122+ bulbs.
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Went out to take pictures and had a bulb burn out. Thats what I get, they were used bulbs.
I'm trying to contact The Retrofit source.com and see if I can drive up there and pick up 2 new 85122+ tomorrow.
I'm trying to contact The Retrofit source.com and see if I can drive up there and pick up 2 new 85122+ tomorrow.
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There are a few reasons why you dont want used bulbs.
1. A pair of used bulbs almost always have different hours on each bulb.
2. Although 85122+ dont colorshift but over time the color does tend to whiten just a little bit so its best to buy new bulbs and put equal number of hours on both bulbs.
3. Different bulbs to make a pair means that both bulbs came from different production batches.
4. Your experience itself, notice how only one bulb blew. I dont know the exact cause but first thing that comes to mind is the different number of hours on each bulb.
5. If you like the used 85122+ then wait till you buy and use a brand new pair .
6. Used bulbs almost always come from damaged headlights, headlights have been in accident i.e. had damage to them, now this damage could be water etc as well and if you know HID bulbs you should also know that how bulbs and moisture/water dont go together.
BTW I'll also update this thread to show how to differentiate between used and new bulbs as many ebay sellers try to scam people by telling them that they are buying new unused bulbs but in truth they are buying used bulbs.
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I think my problem is more..I replaced the headlamp with my old osram and nothing happened. This sucks, could it be the ignitor or the control assembly?
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To help you find a replacement, if you have an o4-05 TL then the ballast/ignitor from the following models is the same as the 04-05 ballast/ignitor
02-03 TL
04-05 TSX
04-05 Honda S2000
I think I saw someone selling a pair of 02-03 TL ballasts in the BST section a couple of days ago.
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BTW I took a few pictures of mine as well . I couldnt, for the life of me, find a big white wall for decent output shot all over town yesterday, pictures were taken around dawn time that is why you see a lot of ambient light.
Each picture is followed by link to hi-res version
Low ISO to show color (the wall is 100+ yards away)
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8065/dscn0016ww4.jpg
ISO at 200 I believe to show intensity
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4640/dscn0017wp4.jpg
Each picture is followed by link to hi-res version
Low ISO to show color (the wall is 100+ yards away)
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8065/dscn0016ww4.jpg
ISO at 200 I believe to show intensity
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4640/dscn0017wp4.jpg
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Hey JnC can you update the thread with how to differentiate between new and used Philips 85122+? Thinking about getting a new pair, but want to be sure they're new, not used.
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I dont have an old 85122+ with me so had to dig out a few old pictures to show the difference.
Usually the salt deposits are the same in new and old bulbs so you cant really tell by looking at that if a bulb is new or old. There however a very easy way to tell if a bulb is used or new.
Look at the picture below of a new bulb and notice the outer rim of the bulb, pointed out with the white arrow.
In case of a new bulb the rim is all of one color
In case of used bulbs the inner part of the lip is exposed to light when the bulb is in the projector, over time that inner part turns matte black.
In the following pictures you'll see two used 85122+ bulbs, the arrows point out the area that has turned from black to matte black.
Almost all used philips bulbs show this characteristics.
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I've always been wondering this. Does the stock fresnel lens have a thicker color band than the ZKW's? I've noticed from a distance that stock TL's have a nice "purpleish" color to them. I've had a pair of real ZKW lenses in my last TL retrofit but never got to see my lights from a distance. So what I'm asking is, will I have a nice blue/purple look from a distance like the stock? I'm debating if I should buy another set of ZKW's.
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Jnc, from the different forum threads, people have stated that the 85122+ emit a "yellower" light, but from the picture above of your TL from the front, those lights look blueish white. Is that because of your headlight setup?
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Stock Osrams are almost the same color when they are new i.e. 4300k but after they colorshift the output diminishes in lumens and the color increases close to 5000k.
I personally love the color 85122+ since I can see way better at night compared to stock Osrams or any other HID bulb.
Color also depends on the projector that is being used.
Here is my quad projector set up that I use to have in my 02 TL-S, AP1 clear lensed S2ks as auxilary low beams along with 04 DOT Step TLs. S2ks are AP1 so they have clear lenses from factory where as the TLs are paired with real ZKWs.
Both projectors have new 85122+ bulbs, notice color difference
TL
S2k
TL
S2k
TL
S2k
TL
S2K