Speaking of tranny replacements...
11-21-2012, 04:26 PM
#1
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Speaking of tranny replacements...
I got my 05 TL tranny replaced at 106k miles last year. Given that 04-05 trannies were more problematic, what is the likelihood that my replacement is more robust than the original 04-05 trannies? I guess what I'm after is if they used a "newer" (albeit rebuilt) tranny for my replacement.. I'm just hoping this replacement doesn't fail as easily/quickly.
I guess I'll never know. All I can go by is the anecdotal experience that when I first got the car back, the revving sounded different (lower pitch/tone) than the original tranny. I know that DW-1 was also used since Z1 was retired by then.
Anyone else have a rebuilt tranny for their 04-05s that can chime in?
I guess I'll never know. All I can go by is the anecdotal experience that when I first got the car back, the revving sounded different (lower pitch/tone) than the original tranny. I know that DW-1 was also used since Z1 was retired by then.
Anyone else have a rebuilt tranny for their 04-05s that can chime in?
11-21-2012, 07:21 PM
#2
Safety Car
Was it replaced or rebuilt? If it was replaced more than likely its the same exact tranny. Usually when trannies are rebuilt they are sometimes better depending on which rebuild kit is used. Mine was rebuilt and I still had issues but I had a lot of performance mods that was putting a lot of strain on it.
Last edited by UA6; 11-21-2012 at 07:23 PM.
11-22-2012, 12:23 AM
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Well, Acura did the replacement on mine, and they said they used a rebuilt tranny. I don't think Acura actually ever replaces with a "new" tranny...
11-22-2012, 02:59 PM
#5
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It can be better or worse. The term rebuild is loosely defined. Most hard parts are reused so you have 100,000+ mile parts in the rebuild. This is pretty standard. Some rebuilders replace all of the steels. Some replace all sprags and bearings/bushings. Some only replace the rubbers and only the clutches that are worn out. We used to do that but we called it a patch job and it was typically half the price of a rebuild but some shops call that a rebuild and charge full price. Some use the latest shift improver kits that fix most of the factory defects for much longer trans life and some don't.
A rebuild has the chance to be much better than new and it has the chance of being much worse. With Acura you don't know who's doing the rebuild for them. We did all of Chryslers rebuilds with all of the updates even though the dealers wanted the equivalent to a patch job and some pretty paint so they looked new.
This is why a good Indy trans shop is the best choice. You can talk to the builder and know what's going on and even have them add things they usually don't do. At 106,000 miles it lasted a long time. I'm at 112,000 and at this mileage I won't be upset at all when it goes out. It's always nice to have it go longer and it can go much longer with a good rebuild.
We offered a 3yr 35,000 mile warranty because we did a great job. Something people don't realize is the price of a rebuild has a comeback built into it. Automatics are fairly complex and its not abnormal to have one come back and that's part of the reason shops charge so much so don't be afraid to bring it back if its not perfect. I used to take a rebuild on a 30 minute drive which included low speed low load driving, freeway, and full throttle. It all has to be done both when cold and when fully hot to spot any issues.
A rebuild has the chance to be much better than new and it has the chance of being much worse. With Acura you don't know who's doing the rebuild for them. We did all of Chryslers rebuilds with all of the updates even though the dealers wanted the equivalent to a patch job and some pretty paint so they looked new.
This is why a good Indy trans shop is the best choice. You can talk to the builder and know what's going on and even have them add things they usually don't do. At 106,000 miles it lasted a long time. I'm at 112,000 and at this mileage I won't be upset at all when it goes out. It's always nice to have it go longer and it can go much longer with a good rebuild.
We offered a 3yr 35,000 mile warranty because we did a great job. Something people don't realize is the price of a rebuild has a comeback built into it. Automatics are fairly complex and its not abnormal to have one come back and that's part of the reason shops charge so much so don't be afraid to bring it back if its not perfect. I used to take a rebuild on a 30 minute drive which included low speed low load driving, freeway, and full throttle. It all has to be done both when cold and when fully hot to spot any issues.
Last edited by I hate cars; 11-22-2012 at 03:05 PM.
11-29-2012, 03:45 PM
#7
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Definitely useful to know. Well, Acura offered a 3yr/36K warranty on it, so hopefully if its meant to "go" again, then it'll go before the end of this warranty period...
It can be better or worse. The term rebuild is loosely defined. Most hard parts are reused so you have 100,000+ mile parts in the rebuild. This is pretty standard. Some rebuilders replace all of the steels. Some replace all sprags and bearings/bushings. Some only replace the rubbers and only the clutches that are worn out. We used to do that but we called it a patch job and it was typically half the price of a rebuild but some shops call that a rebuild and charge full price. Some use the latest shift improver kits that fix most of the factory defects for much longer trans life and some don't.
A rebuild has the chance to be much better than new and it has the chance of being much worse. With Acura you don't know who's doing the rebuild for them. We did all of Chryslers rebuilds with all of the updates even though the dealers wanted the equivalent to a patch job and some pretty paint so they looked new.
This is why a good Indy trans shop is the best choice. You can talk to the builder and know what's going on and even have them add things they usually don't do. At 106,000 miles it lasted a long time. I'm at 112,000 and at this mileage I won't be upset at all when it goes out. It's always nice to have it go longer and it can go much longer with a good rebuild.
We offered a 3yr 35,000 mile warranty because we did a great job. Something people don't realize is the price of a rebuild has a comeback built into it. Automatics are fairly complex and its not abnormal to have one come back and that's part of the reason shops charge so much so don't be afraid to bring it back if its not perfect. I used to take a rebuild on a 30 minute drive which included low speed low load driving, freeway, and full throttle. It all has to be done both when cold and when fully hot to spot any issues.
A rebuild has the chance to be much better than new and it has the chance of being much worse. With Acura you don't know who's doing the rebuild for them. We did all of Chryslers rebuilds with all of the updates even though the dealers wanted the equivalent to a patch job and some pretty paint so they looked new.
This is why a good Indy trans shop is the best choice. You can talk to the builder and know what's going on and even have them add things they usually don't do. At 106,000 miles it lasted a long time. I'm at 112,000 and at this mileage I won't be upset at all when it goes out. It's always nice to have it go longer and it can go much longer with a good rebuild.
We offered a 3yr 35,000 mile warranty because we did a great job. Something people don't realize is the price of a rebuild has a comeback built into it. Automatics are fairly complex and its not abnormal to have one come back and that's part of the reason shops charge so much so don't be afraid to bring it back if its not perfect. I used to take a rebuild on a 30 minute drive which included low speed low load driving, freeway, and full throttle. It all has to be done both when cold and when fully hot to spot any issues.
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11-29-2012, 04:34 PM
#8
the overexplainer
from what i've read, no.
04 is different from the 05-06s too if i remember correctly. Filter isnt removable in the 05-06 and i think the number of pressure switches for a given gear or something is different. Someone here might know better.
04 is different from the 05-06s too if i remember correctly. Filter isnt removable in the 05-06 and i think the number of pressure switches for a given gear or something is different. Someone here might know better.
11-30-2012, 05:21 PM
#10
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The strange thing is, I think if my tranny blows again out of wararnty I'll get it replaced again, without going the Acura route, unless they goodwill most/all of it again. I love this car too much to see it not on the road till at least 300K miles. 
12-03-2012, 09:38 PM
#11
Instructor
I thought up to 06 had the removable filter. I know for a fact that 07-08 won't bolt up to older TL's and they have the non removable filter. Similar to Type-S tranny will only bolt up to Type-S engine.
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