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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 02:26 PM
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Hey guys,

I have an '04 TL. It has 115,000 kms (71,000 miles).

What is the recommended replacement mileage for regular driving. All I could find was this:

Replace timing belt and inspect water pump: If you drive regularly in very high temperatures (over 110°F, 43°C), or in very low temperatures (under-20°F, -29°C), replace every 60,000 miles# (U.S.)/100,000 km (Canada)

The timing belt has never been replaced. The service manager at my local dealer says I should get it replaced based on age alone.

Is this necessary right now?


Thanks for your help...
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 02:32 PM
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 02:35 PM
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nope, if nothing is wrong with the tensioner or water pump area you are good until 105k miles, don't let the dealer using scare tactic on you.
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 03:16 PM
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I have a new timing belt for sale if you want it.

Regardless of my belt, I would replace it based on age alone from 2004. If that thing breaks...
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by truonghthe
nope, if nothing is wrong with the tensioner or water pump area you are good until 105k miles, don't let the dealer using scare tactic on you.
He just said I should replace the timing belt because it was 10+ years old.
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 03:21 PM
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yes its every 7 years or 120k miles. You are at 10+ years so change it. Its not hard to do. Also do the water pump while you are at it
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sockr1
I have a new timing belt for sale if you want it.

Regardless of my belt, I would replace it based on age alone from 2004. If that thing breaks...
Maybe its the prudent thing to do.
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by thisaznboi88
yes its every 7 years or 120k miles. You are at 10+ years so change it. Its not hard to do. Also do the water pump while you are at it
Ok. Thanks for the reply.
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 03:31 PM
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this is what I bought and also the idler pulley from honda. Good time to change the spark plugs while you are at it

Amazon.com: Aisin TKH-002 Engine Timing Belt Kit with Water Pump: Automotive Amazon.com: Aisin TKH-002 Engine Timing Belt Kit with Water Pump: Automotive
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 05:08 PM
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Yes change it. Time and weather wear rubber.
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by thisaznboi88
yes its every 7 years or 120k miles. You are at 10+ years so change it. Its not hard to do. Also do the water pump while you are at it
"Its not hard to do." Lol okay. Maybe if you have experience, the correct tool set, a safe and appropriate place to do the work, and enough time. Not to mention the parts. Then yeah not so hard, but I still wouldnt say this is an easy procedure.

OP if you feel like you are/have all of those things then read up and go for it. Otherwise just get the shop to do it for you. Either way it is highly recommended at this point in the car's life.
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 08:02 PM
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"Its not hard to do." Lol okay. Maybe if you have experience, the correct tool set, a safe and appropriate place to do the work, and enough time. Not to mention the parts. Then yeah not so hard, but I still wouldnt say this is an easy procedure.

OP if you feel like you are/have all of those things then read up and go for it. Otherwise just get the shop to do it for you. Either way it is highly recommended at this point in the car's life.
LOL. I will be taking it to the dealer. You wouldn't want to see the stress and hear the stream of curse-words if I took on a project like this.
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 08:21 PM
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I would consider changing the belt on the age factor but you could probably get by waiting longer. I would follow what the MID says to do. If it hasn't told you to change the belt, I wouldn't do it. Once it tells you, I would change with little delay.

We just changed our Honda Pilot's belt- no MID to tell me but I just did it last month: 2005 with 101k miles- the old belt was still in good shape. I'm going to wait for the MID for my 2006 with 75k miles.
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenSpades
"Its not hard to do." Lol okay. Maybe if you have experience, the correct tool set, a safe and appropriate place to do the work, and enough time. Not to mention the parts. Then yeah not so hard, but I still wouldnt say this is an easy procedure.

OP if you feel like you are/have all of those things then read up and go for it. Otherwise just get the shop to do it for you. Either way it is highly recommended at this point in the car's life.
did my first timing belt on my dad 04 mdx. got the craftsman 250pc tool box set, breaker bar, tq wrench, and a few other tools. Already had 2 floor jacks, and 4 jackstands.

Took about 2 days since I was overhauling everything, brakes, coolant, rear diff, sparks, valve adjustment, center diff, and a few other stuff. All done with hands tools. Watch some youtube videos. Eric the car guy saved my ass a few times and I also bought a service manual.

If you are feeling adventurous its possible to do some research to get comfortable, or you can pay someone
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 08:52 PM
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I have 175k on my 05. Had a full inspection done by dealer this summer. Not just a visual inspection, a full inspection. It was required by the court and paid for by the garage I'm suing. The inspection cost was close to 500$. They said based on age, timing belt would be a good idea, but based on actual timing results, no obvious sign of fatigue and results were near perfect. So I guess it depends, on what? I have no idea. The only timing belt related issue i had was a squeeking tensioner pulley.
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LaCostaRacer
I would consider changing the belt on the age factor but you could probably get by waiting longer. I would follow what the MID says to do. If it hasn't told you to change the belt, I wouldn't do it. Once it tells you, I would change with little delay.

We just changed our Honda Pilot's belt- no MID to tell me but I just did it last month: 2005 with 101k miles- the old belt was still in good shape. I'm going to wait for the MID for my 2006 with 75k miles.
I would agree with this. I don't think you need to be too worried unless the car has been driven in rough winters and outside all the time.
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Old Nov 1, 2015 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by thisaznboi88
yes its every 7 years or 120k miles....
Oh brother, not again? Wrong on all accounts...
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Old Nov 2, 2015 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Oh brother, not again? Wrong on all accounts...
105k not 120k. So technically half wrong.

don't be a dick. ;p

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Old Nov 2, 2015 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by polish_pat
I have 175k on my 05. Had a full inspection done by dealer this summer. Not just a visual inspection, a full inspection. It was required by the court and paid for by the garage I'm suing. The inspection cost was close to 500$. They said based on age, timing belt would be a good idea, but based on actual timing results, no obvious sign of fatigue and results were near perfect. So I guess it depends, on what? I have no idea. The only timing belt related issue i had was a squeeking tensioner pulley.
Wtf are you talking about? "Based on actual timing results" makes zero fucking sense. If the belt jumped, your engine is already fucked.

I bet you your yearly salary ($34.50), that your dealer never looked at your timing belt. They wouldn't disassemble half of your engine just to do a visual on it (which wouldn't even show signs of fatigue unless it was about to fail). To see the usual signs of fatigue, you need to remove and bend the belt.

Fuck, lawyer man going around, suing errrbody....
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Old Nov 2, 2015 | 07:43 AM
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Wtf are you talking about? "Based on actual timing results" makes zero fucking sense. If the belt jumped, your engine is already fucked.

I bet you your yearly salary ($34.50), that your dealer never looked at your timing belt. They wouldn't disassemble half of your engine just to do a visual on it (which wouldn't even show signs of fatigue unless it was about to fail). To see the usual signs of fatigue, you need to remove and bend the belt.

Fuck, lawyer man going around, suing errrbody....
What in the fuck are you barking about dipshit? It's called a timing belt for a reason... It's not an all or nothing matter, you can have worn belts that cause stretching, breaking of teeths without jumping or catastrophic failure, there are many procedures you can do yourself to make sure the timing is correct.

And what would a dumb cabin boy like you know anything about a court order? A judge has ordered a complete engine inspection after being presented with evidence of repeated malpractice which lead to believe a general negligence is common practice for some garages.

Is this too complicated of a vocabulary for you to understand? Let me translate: I put hidden microphones and cameras in my car while it was being repaired to prove that some people do not follow laws, guidelines and common practice. I then sued them, and as part of my evidence, had the car undergo an inspection that took almost 7 hours. And yes, they do take the timing cover off, they also plug in a machine that takes readings of the exhaust gas, they check every test point under the hood, make sure all oil is the correct oil (and not like in my case where engine oil was put in instead of ATF), make sure there is no contamination, make sure the proper parts are used for a repair. It's done by appointment only and through a contractor that works for the dealer. And if you just like to take it up the ass and do nothing about people screwing with your property, well that's your problem. But I don't fuck around with people that I pay for a complexe repair that should be done by trained professionals
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Old Nov 2, 2015 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TacoBello
Wtf are you talking about? "Based on actual timing results" makes zero fucking sense. If the belt jumped, your engine is already fucked.

I bet you your yearly salary ($34.50), that your dealer never looked at your timing belt. They wouldn't disassemble half of your engine just to do a visual on it (which wouldn't even show signs of fatigue unless it was about to fail). To see the usual signs of fatigue, you need to remove and bend the belt.

Fuck, lawyer man going around, suing errrbody....
Originally Posted by polish_pat
What in the fuck are you barking about dipshit? It's called a timing belt for a reason... It's not an all or nothing matter, you can have worn belts that cause stretching, breaking of teeths without jumping or catastrophic failure, there are many procedures you can do yourself to make sure the timing is correct.

And what would a dumb cabin boy like you know anything about a court order? A judge has ordered a complete engine inspection after being presented with evidence of repeated malpractice which lead to believe a general negligence is common practice for some garages.

Is this too complicated of a vocabulary for you to understand? Let me translate: I put hidden microphones and cameras in my car while it was being repaired to prove that some people do not follow laws, guidelines and common practice. I then sued them, and as part of my evidence, had the car undergo an inspection that took almost 7 hours. And yes, they do take the timing cover off, they also plug in a machine that takes readings of the exhaust gas, they check every test point under the hood, make sure all oil is the correct oil (and not like in my case where engine oil was put in instead of ATF), make sure there is no contamination, make sure the proper parts are used for a repair. It's done by appointment only and through a contractor that works for the dealer. And if you just like to take it up the ass and do nothing about people screwing with your property, well that's your problem. But I don't fuck around with people that I pay for a complexe repair that should be done by trained professionals
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Old Nov 2, 2015 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by polish_pat
...I put hidden microphones and cameras in my car while it was being repaired to prove that some people do not follow laws, guidelines and common practice. I then sued them, and as part of my evidence, had the car undergo an inspection that took almost 7 hours.

And yes, they do take the timing cover off, they also plug in a machine that takes readings of the exhaust gas, they check every test point under the hood, make sure all oil is the correct oil (and not like in my case where engine oil was put in instead of ATF), make sure there is no contamination, make sure the proper parts are used for a repair. It's done by appointment only and through a contractor that works for the dealer.
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