alexSU

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Replaced my rotors and pads in the front but need a new caliper since the bottom hole is stripped out.

Is it safe to drive to work (13miles) for 2 days while I wait for the new caliper to come in. Right now it's just holding on with the top bolt

Thanks in advance guys



Oh yeah it's the Brembo caliper, don't know if that makes a difference.

RonJonTL757

I would say yeah just give yourself lots of braking room and downshift lots and use the ebrake if necessary

Tripnbeats

correct me if im wrong but doesnt the caliper screw into the knuckle?? the caliper screwing into itself woudnt exactly be right.....and i wouldnt say its safe because ur not only putting ur life at risk ur putting others at risk as well. lets say u get into an accident.... the insurance company investigates finds the faulty brake and says why would u drive this like that???? "well the guys on the forum said its ok so i decided its ok to do"

alexSU

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Yeah I don't think I'll be driving this car anywhere till I get my new caliper. I just don't feel safe knowing I have a missing part on my brakes.

alexSU

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BTW: a single caliper at the dealer is $400!!!! I tried looking everywhere and no luck, had to shell out the dough

Guy had one on eBay but he wanted $25 for it, seemed kinda sketchy.

GetAcura

OMG....noooooooo. follow me on this one. With the lower bolt missing, the caliper will be able to ride up inside the wheel. If it contacts the wheel the wrong way it could easily lock the wheel up by pinning the caliper inside the hub! PARK THE CAR UNTIL THE PART GETS THERE! If you are in the Sarasota Florida area, Im sure we have one!

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alexSU

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I'm in Charlotte and my car has been parked I'm not taking any chances. Used the scotter for work today

Tripnbeats

wait wait i dont think the caliper bolts into the caliper alex, i think u got the wrong part...im pretty sure it screws into the knuckle. the knuckle is its support if the bolt and caliper was its own support it would bend or break.

alexSU

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Oops, okay I'm confused. Let me check to make sure, but as I remember, I tried to take off the caliper and the lower bolt took alot of force to take out. After taking it off I noticed it was stripped and the inside of the caliper was a mess!

Alright, I'll keep you update as soon as I get home to look at it again. Thanks Tripnbeats!

NE14RoxCJ

I lost a lower bolt from my left front caliper a while back and didn't catch it until I washed my car and noticed the caliper was a little loose. I started a coarse thread bolt nto it and drove it to work. But, I stopped and had NAPA order me a caliper bolt kit. NAPA P/N 83442 came with two guide pins and two bolts. I just needed the one bolt, but it sounds like you need the guide pin also.

OOPS, I see that you're working on a Brembo equipped car. Mine is the Base AT Brakes. Sorry. Maybe yours is similar. Check the parts stores first. And pull back the rubber boot to see if you can replace just the pin and bolt.

alexSU

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I just asked the guy that helped me, he said the knuckle is fine, it's the actual caliper that needs to be replaced. Sucks for sure, but that's Brembo brakes for ya.

NE14RoxCJ

Uh, yeah I just looked at the diagram on AcuraOEMParts and it looks like yours is very different. Shows two bolts holding the caliper and no sliding guide pins. Is that a 4 pot caliper?? It is at least 2-sided, so it is not a floating caliper. $400 is nuts. Take the caliper off and take it to any competent machine shop. They should be abe to fix the threads with a Heli-Coil insert. You'll need to take them a bolt to go in it. And you may not get the same size/thread bolt, depending on what heli-coils are available. Good luck. And use some anti-seize. That Aluminum caliper gets heat cycled a lot.

alexSU

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Stupid question, but will this affect the way the pistons squeeze on the pads?? I don't want any uneven wear or anything..thanks bro!

Tripnbeats

dude u need to look not ask. im more than 100% sure the brembos DONT get screwed into themselves...it wouldnt make sense.

Tripnbeats

its got 2 screw clips that lock into the knuckle and the caliper ges over the knuckle and gets screwed into those clips. or those clips are guide clips and the bolts go through to the knuckle. OTHERWISE people with the 04-06 without brembos wouldnt have to change knuckles to put the brembos on the car.

alexSU

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True, it wouldn't make any sense, I'll take a look myself tonight

Tripnbeats

BRAKES are the strongest part of the car thats used most often. and they would never be made to bolt into themselves. and they cant have play whatsoever...another reason y they arent screwed into themselves.

Tripnbeats

if you stripped the knuckle threads ur going to need a knuckle and a bearing for it to be pressed in. but i have never seen a knuckle getting stripped from bolt removal. maybe u couldnt get the bolt in it takes a lil wiggle to get it in.

mrempp

The brembo brakes DO bolt into themselves. Quit saying they don't if you have no idea what your talking about. I had the same thing happen a week ago, passenger side lower bolt. I was still able to torque the bolt back into place so i think i still had enough threads left, i hope it's ok.

Bearcat94

On the Brembo's, the mounting bolts go through the "ears" on the knuckle, then through the washer, then into the caliper.

If the mounting bolts don't screw into the caliper, how is the caliper held to the knuckle.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...11&postcount=2

stillhere153

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you will get uneven braking... and is not safe... I had a similar problem on my integra and when I pressed the brakes it would sway to one side... not fun at all

Tripnbeats

sorry mrem go look again and be 100% sure before u flap ur gums because u obviously dont work on cars that often, i own a shop and do this all the time.... the bolts go through the caliper and then bolt into the knuckle and dont go any further,they stop..... simply because if they did go through the caliper to hold it, on the other side you would have HUGE CUTS IN UR ROTOR OR the car would move because the bolt are holding the caliper and rotor in place!

Tripnbeats

and I was trying to be nice to Alex... not an asshole and say yo dick ur wrong go look at it again.... at 109 posts and 24yrs old u seem like u have a wealth of knowledge..... wanna share some with the acura community or maybe tell me something i dont know.... Id like to know which suitcase has the million dollars in it???

NE14RoxCJ

Well, whatever it bolts into, I'm sure it could be heli-coil'ed for much less than $400. And that diagram in the FSM posted by Bearcat looks like it bolts into the caliper. But I don't work on cars as much as Tripn. Corp. jets are my specialty. I'm trying to figure out how to fit that 4-disc, 8-pot brake setup on my car. If it'll stop a 9-ton jet from 200-250 mph, I bet it wouldn't have much problem with the TL.

alexSU

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Tripnbeats

ok look. the caliper has 2 holes for 2 bolts. the caliper goes over the knuckle holes and the bolts go through the caliper holes and to the knuckle to the threads. if those bolts threaded any further than the end of the knuckle on the inside it would scrape the rotor and leave huge marks in it..... mostlikely not letting u move the car without damage. i think thats simple enough.

NOW if the caliper screwed into itself the car would stay in one place and not move because you would have 2 holes in the rotor holding it in place THROUGH to the otherside of the caliper so it doesnt fall off..... ALSO! if the caliper screwed into itself it would play side to side n in all directions when you would hit the brakes resulting in warped rotors, damaged fenders and god knows what else.... because the caliper would get smacked by a spoke on the back of the rim and rip off the car throwing it all over the place (inside of your fender wall) resulting in a bad accident probably resulting in death because at that point you wouldnt have brakes you would have hydraulic fluid pissing out one of the hoses.

keep in mind what I said before the brakes are the hardest working parts on anything in the world.....airplanes trains cars trucks whatever.....its friction on friction it HAS to stop u....so no play is allowed except in the pads and that play is under a couple of mm because if it didnt have play it would screech all the time, the play (which is what the shims are for) allows the pads to wear unevenly IF need be otherwise all is dandy....im done explaining brakes....ill be back to laugh later

Tripnbeats

u want the 8pot set up.....get them off the new benz 65 or 55 series and find the right rim with the right offset to fit and then the right company for the rotors and ur set to go. but if u have them off of a jet then i guess you dont need them from a benz lol!!!

alexSU

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I appreciate the help guys! I didn't get a chance to see my car last night but once I do I'll update you.

alexSU

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Nice, where's your shop bro?

Tripnbeats

Nyc

NE14RoxCJ

Trip, I was joking. But really, you should see the brakes on a jet. I say 4-disc. That is 4 solid discs in a stack with friction material between each disc and 4 pistons in each half of the caliper. The assembly is ~12" wide and approx. the same diameter. There are 4 of these on our planes (one for each main-gear wheel). They use a very simple mechanical anti-skid system. It's a fun ride when we hit the end of the runway and catch the first taxiway which is only about 1/3 of the way down. Then we get out and tell the mechs to check the tires for flat spots after a "full-maxaret" landing. Oh, and the customer wants "new" brakes, too. Yeah, there's no place for those on a car. They rattle like hell when rolling and they chatter something fierce for the first few landings. Sorry, I guess a joking tone can't be conveyed on a forum.

Congrats on owning your own shop at 27. I'm sure you've done a lot more brakes than ANY 24 year old on here. We'll just call you "omniscient" from now on.

Tripnbeats

lol...thanks bro. My father was a master mechanic for northwest when i was a kid. So i have seen similar brakes and Ill tell u...thats when i fell in love with physics n mechanics n engineering and the way everything works....he used to come home n tell me things that airlines were developing at that time and show me the next day.... when he'd bring me to work to some degree i knew what he was talking about but i was still a kid and had no idea....

nfnsquared

Trip,

Time for a big ol' serving of humble pie. It is apparently you who should "be 100% sure before u flap ur gums". I guess in your superior and enormous shop experience you've not yet had to remove 6MT Brembo calipers or your memory is failing you. They are indeed threaded and the caliper bolts do screw into the calipers.

How do I know this? Because I've actually removed my 6MT Brembo calipers (and I don't own a shop and I've done this exactly 1 time). But if anyone else needs confirmation, just go to this thread (link below) and scroll down to the last picture in the first post. Yep, that would be threads on the 6MT caliper. Also, go up a bit in the thread and read step 9:

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/d-094-diy-complete-brake-job-pics-624404/

Hope this clears up the question for everyone reading this thread.

Souljah

^^^ Y'all crack me up.
Hi, I'm Kevin.
Don't do it bro! Best case scenario it will apply uneven braking. Dangerous. And that's optimistic view.

Souljah

Holy shit... didn't see it was a thread revival.

Majofo

WTF?! this threads more than a year old..

NAiL05

Dont drive on it. YOu will do more harm than good. We have seen people do that at the dealership fucks up a lot of shit and makes noises you wont like.

nfnsquared

This thread was referenced just yesterday in another thread in "Problems":

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-problems-fixes-114/seized-6mt-caliper-785936/

JERU

Hilarious, I saw the date on the first post and thought, man this is a long one. Took Trip almost a year to eat humble pie. Hilarious. I just finished putting the heli-coil fix in when I pulled my Brembos. Acura must have ^%&* alot of the 6speed calipers. Because everyone who has them has the same bottom threads that were cross threaded. Should have been a recall to fix.

I may put up a DIY on how to repair those threads with heli-coils...

Turbonut

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100% correct.
Can be seen on page 18-12:
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-tires-wheels-suspension-97/front-rear-brake-disc-rotor-knuckle-hub-front-wheel-brg-repl-3g-garage-d-085-a-592538/