Sorry to repost but I think a lot of us would like to be enlightened, I'm confused. I was planning to follow your 3-5,000 mile recommendation but where did this come from? See post #17 for the point of confusion.

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-parts-sale-361/f-s-anthracite-2003-cl-s-107244/

 

he made two separate recommendations..... you can either do the first change when he recommends or you can do it after 1k and add the additive he spoke of. depends on your level of commitment I suppose.

 

hey i just relized i signed in the new board with the wrong name ^

 

there's no proof whatsoever that any additive (whether from Honda engineers or off-the-shelf) do anything to decrease wear, increase life, or increase power. for goodness sake, the stuff is gone when you dump the oil when following the MID.

if there is proof, please post it, i no longer go by "well, the engineers put it in there", oh yeah, engineers also built damns and bridges that fell to the ground !!

 

RR doesn’t post bs, he posts from personal experience and actual research and is very well respected by everyone here...since you’ve only been here for less than a month you probably wouldn’t know that...

try searching and checking the garage

 

Ah - another oil debate thread - cool. I changed mine out at 1k. Some wait till MID says so, some change earlier, some say Frig the MID I am not changing my oil ever.

When it really comes down to it (oh this is just my opinion and how I sleep at night) - if you 1st change at 1k or you change when the MID tells you and for regular changes if you change every 5k or with MID - I do not think it makes a huge difference. The fact that the oil is changed, filter is changed etc. on a regular basis - that is what truly matters. Yes, there are many right now writing posts that will argue some point that I probably could not even begin to understand....I am sure...but it does not make a significant difference. (again, to ME)

Since I do not plan to open my engine up and confirm their experiences - I can only go by what has worked for me all my life - change it anywhere from 3-7k with new oil, new filter and you are probably already doing more than 90% of people in the world. Have never had a single problem, don't know anyone who has had a single problem by following this. Does it waste oil - maybe. Does it cause wear not using a synthetic - maybe. Do I value that as something that is important to me at that microscopic degree - no. Do I think synthetics are worth their money - no. Do I think the MID is some magical Genie living in my car - ah, no.

Everyone has there own theory about stuff or even their own experiences and that is what you need to decide. I read these forums and take them with a grain of salt - I have learned a lot, acted on some of the info and other stuff I ignore or just say thats not for me.

To each his own. We all don't have to agree with one another - just present what we each do, if we choose, and others can decide for themselves.

C'mon - group hug

 

my experience with lubricants and what the affects are in automotive applications is short from nill, but my search and fact finding abilities are very high, and hence, i cannot find anything that suggests additives do any noticeable good. they may not harm anything, but why use them.


examples:

building homes
process A takes 10 days
new tool comes along
process A now takes 4 days
noticeable

oil additives
no additive 235.7 hp
with additive 236.1 hp
no additive 25k hours 14ug metal wear
with additive 25k hours 12ug metal wear
no additive 4billion revs before engine death
with additive 4.05billion revs before engine death
not noticeable

 

yes, but it has been proven that honda and im sure plenty others use a special oil additive in new motors...

so if you want to change your "factory fill" oil early to cut down on contaminates, and refill with something close or better to that to aid in the best possible break-in; that is what RR was referring to i would assume.

its just extra protection, and piece of mind.


its just extra protection, and piece of mind.

 

i guess "break-in" has a new meaning in this case. i guess where i'm hung-up is on this "extra protection" and what specifically does the additive do to help "break-in" the motor?

as far as i can tell, the additive does help hone things better on the microscopic level, but this does not contribute to engine longevity or output (the 2 things we care about), so why then use it?

there is a mechanical definitive on when "break-in" is done. we need to confine the effects of the additive to this period.

 

But didn't they build several thousands of times as many the DIDN'T?

 

while i tend to have some doubts about the judgement of the engineers at times (like with exhaust hangers, for example), when it comes to honda engines that the stuff that runs through them, i dont question that. i do, however, change my oil every 3k. i dont care if some peopel think that is too often for these high tech cars, i am a mechanic, i get all the stuff for free and its not hard to change the oil.

 

IMO that must be better than using any synthetic stuff cause it is changed out so frequently - where I'm guessing the Synthetics stay in longer.


Can't go wrong with frequent changes. IMO.

 

sorry i forgot to mention i do use the pennzoil synthetic....i think road rage and some others have already blasted me on using that..but its what is avaliable. i conceed that i am being somewhat wasteful with the frequency of the oil changes considering i am using a synthetic 5w20, so please, blast away if necessary.

 

bump Road Rage?