Resale value: 5at vs. 6mt

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Old May 3, 2004 | 01:13 PM
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Resale value: 5at vs. 6mt

Will the resale value of a 5at/navi be more than a 6mt/navi?
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Old May 3, 2004 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 6mtV6
Will the resale value of a 5at/navi be more than a 6mt/navi?
Probably. But who know by how much.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 01:16 PM
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Yes, and dealer confirmed this. He said the difference isn't that signifigant but it does exist.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 01:18 PM
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Checking KBB it does not affect it(comared 2003 CL-S with/Without manual). I think dealers tell that to manual drivers to try and screw them.

Of course as a car should pretty much never be bought as an investment this shouldn't matter at purchase time. Get what you want.

Plus i think that if you sell it private you can find a good price because those of us that demand a manual will pay for it.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 01:19 PM
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Screw them? The cars cost the same.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 01:45 PM
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All dealers in NY, NJ use the galve's book.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 01:55 PM
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Six speed you will get more for...

from a private buyer. From a dealer...(unless he has the ability to think out of the Galves/Blue Book box) expect to receive a little less.
Six speeds, espescially ones as sweet as the TL's, will always be in more demand than the automatics. Want proof? Do a search on auto trader for 2003 CLS with 6 speed vs 2003 CLS with auto. There are a TON of autos which makes supply very high...therefore demand is low. There are next to no 6 speeds......A car is a bad investment in general but if you want more value down the road and WANT a manual, choose the six speed.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverJ
from a private buyer. From a dealer...(unless he has the ability to think out of the Galves/Blue Book box) expect to receive a little less.
Six speeds, espescially ones as sweet as the TL's, will always be in more demand than the automatics. Want proof? Do a search on auto trader for 2003 CLS with 6 speed vs 2003 CLS with auto. There are a TON of autos which makes supply very high...therefore demand is low. There are next to no 6 speeds......A car is a bad investment in general but if you want more value down the road and WANT a manual, choose the six speed.
Not that this is worth getting in an argument, but comparing the info above isn't relevant to the demand of AT or MT. The overall demand/desire for either is indicated by the total number of each sold. Given the segment of the TL and like cars, people buy more AT than MT. That’s why Acura doesn't make as many MT's. Sure this makes the "used supply" of MT TL's less but not necessarily of more demand. When it comes down to it, with a car like the TL, (and I will be as conservative as possible) more than 60% will be sold with AT's - thus one can conclude an AT would be more desirable in a used vehicle.

Should this affect your purchase?? Depends on how bad you want a 6 speed. One really can't make that decision for you. Will it be easier to sell used with either the AT or MT?? Depends on who's looking for the car at that time. My personal opinion is it would sell "easier" with an AT due to the percentage of people who buy AT over MT.

This is just my personal/professional opinion...
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Old May 3, 2004 | 02:21 PM
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As a rule manual trannys command lower resale values than autos, but, that may not be true in "performance" cars. The difference if any will be minimal.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 02:22 PM
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When the accord coupe 6speed first came out it was in limited supply and it still is. I thought since it was a very rare car that demand in the resale would be higher. I was wrong. In the resale market it was very hard to sell. I posted on autotrader and no one wanted it. I had 2 months to sell it. I had no choice so I traded it in. In the Galve's book, the 5at was worth more than the 6mt even thought both car were the same price when it was new. I know the dealer didn't lie because he let me look at the book. I went to 3 different dealers and it was all the same.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 02:38 PM
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What is this galve book? I hate that dealers use a book that no one else does so they can screw you over. What is the point of Kbb and edmunds TMV if no one goes by them. Stupid. (same with a lot of states)

All comes down to remembering that cars are not investments. You are going to get screwed no matter what so just have fun while you are driving the car
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Old May 3, 2004 | 02:50 PM
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I hate the galve's book.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 03:12 PM
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Well...

Originally Posted by KJSmitty
Not that this is worth getting in an argument, but comparing the info above isn't relevant to the demand of AT or MT. The overall demand/desire for either is indicated by the total number of each sold. Given the segment of the TL and like cars, people buy more AT than MT. That’s why Acura doesn't make as many MT's. Sure this makes the "used supply" of MT TL's less but not necessarily of more demand. When it comes down to it, with a car like the TL, (and I will be as conservative as possible) more than 60% will be sold with AT's - thus one can conclude an AT would be more desirable in a used vehicle.

Should this affect your purchase?? Depends on how bad you want a 6 speed. One really can't make that decision for you. Will it be easier to sell used with either the AT or MT?? Depends on who's looking for the car at that time. My personal opinion is it would sell "easier" with an AT due to the percentage of people who buy AT over MT.

This is just my personal/professional opinion...
Were not arguing..we are agreeing to disagree
I agree that a manual may detract from a normal car but not a performance car. I would consider the TL a performance car. Automatics are more in demand when the car is NEW...however I would bet if you try to sell a six speed aftermarket you will demand more...if you are advertising in the right place. Bottom Line: Buy the car for what you want...not what you think you will get 3-5 years from now. Nothing worse than shelling out a bunch of money for something you dont truly want...
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Old May 3, 2004 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverJ
Were not arguing..we are agreeing to disagree
I agree that a manual may detract from a normal car but not a performance car. I would consider the TL a performance car. Automatics are more in demand when the car is NEW...however I would bet if you try to sell a six speed aftermarket you will demand more...if you are advertising in the right place. Bottom Line: Buy the car for what you want...not what you think you will get 3-5 years from now. Nothing worse than shelling out a bunch of money for something you dont truly want...
Its probably true that performance cars' resale value isn't negatively impacted by a manual tranny. But the TL isn't in this category. Neither are BWM's, with the exception of the M-cars. I'll bet they sell a lot more 3-series' (including 330's) as automatics than sticks.

The fact is that probably more than 1/2 of the potential market for the TL can't even drive a manual and have no intention of learning, especially on a brand-new 35k car. That's what hurts the resale value and that's exactly why Acura (and BWM and just about everybody else) makes more autos than sticks.

But I agree that the difference is probably small, especially if you're selling the car privately. Dealers will use any excuse they can find to hammer you on trade-in value.

Also, IU agreee that you should buy the car you want. Its a car, not an investment.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 04:49 PM
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Who knows? Often it just helps to be at the right place at the right time. I was very fortunate in privately selling my '00 BMW 323i with 5MT. I had about 2 weeks to sell it before my TL was to arrive (dealer was only willing to give me $15,500 for the car). I put it on Autotrader.com and had it sold in less than 48 hrs. at my full asking price of $19,000.
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