Zigma

I have an 5AT 04 TL. I'm not much of a street racer but that could be due to the fact that my TL rarely gets provoked/I hardly ever provoke anyone, however, things were different on the commute to work.

On the FDR, I guess since it is a jewish holiday, it was empty. There was an M3, an older one from 2000 or so, body style looked like this,

http://www.thelastdetail.com/galleri...123_main_f.jpg

However, it was the typical bmw blue color. We were both communiting to work I guess and he decided to get happy lead foot. He looked at me and accelerated and I quickly followed. It was a roll from 40 to about 100~. All this time he did not lose me and I stayed around a car lengh away. I am always in SS mode so It was from 2nd to 3rd.

I decided to stop short because the guy looked flaky. It seems his adrenaline was pumpin because I could clearly see he could not control the car that good. I looked at him and smiled and went on my way.


Shortly after, there was a Civic SI and we raced until about 120 mph. I gave him the lead of about 3 car lenghs to start and quickly started to catch after 90. As soon as we were done with the straight I slowed down, If we continued however, I would have passed him for sure.

Overall, it was fun but I'd like to keep my drivers license clean... time to buy a radar detector ;p

lostkhan

Any mods?

ts_vaj

Hmm I thought an E46 M3 would put the hurtin on a 5AT TL. Even the E36 will still pull a TL.

Zigma

No mods... yet but i pamper the car to make sure nothing is ever wrong. Its got some pretty good power.

People say the 5AT is not too fast but I find it to be very quick. I was surprised i was able to keep up with the m3. Maybe he was a bad driver.

alexSU

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Not trying to be a dick but the dude in the M3 can't drive. No way a 5AT or 6MT could keep within a car length of the M3 without some serious mods.

But I bet now he thinks his M3 is slow lol he couldn't shake a TL

Zigma

not offended. I think the guy in the m3 was a bit upset. When I pulled up besides him and rolled my window down, He looked very upset lol. I looked at him and said "Not bad eh"

vhtran

Agree on this one, maybe he's trying to give you some hope?

alexSU

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He better be upset at his driving skills lol

SatinSilverAV6

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The M3 driver just wasn't the best. 333hp vs 258hp and the weight is about equal. Not to mention the M3 has more torque. Not to say you didn't hang with him. I believe that! Put a better driver in that M3 and it should put a hurting on any TL w/o major mods or FI. Good run though. I bet he is so upset a TL just hung with him!

RUF87

Don't be then . . . . . . sorry, couldn't resist. Sure it does come down to the driver, but I have run several E36s and beat them all. Of course I did have some cooling mods, light weight wheels and an Icebox. Not serious mods, just some serious kills.

A well running and driven TL AT or 6MT can certainly hold it's own, we just don't get enough respect.

Ruf

alexSU

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I have no doubt in my little TL And the E36s are some serious kills, nice job!

vhtran

hehe you won't til you have a rear wheel driven TL =)

alexSU

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but we now have SH-AWD

vhtran

Still "biases torque to the front wheels, but shifts it to the rear wheels as needed"

alexSU

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Your ruining all the fun lol I guess there is a 4G member who drove the 6MT and says you can get the rear end to slide out

vhtran

haha LOL

RUF87

While no one here would argue that rear wheel drive is better than front, it doesn't mean front wheeled car will automatically lose out to rear . . . and this has been proven time and time again . . our kills are made up of a lot of rear wheel drive cars . . . and in my case over 90% have been rear with a fairly recent one against a BMW 550i . . we ran 5 times and after the last run the one guy put his window down and told me he was shocked and said "do you know this car has 360hp and you just beat me? I used to have a TLS and yours is badass!"

Sounds like respect to me, so if you don't have any respect for front wheeled drive cars why are you hanging out here? Is it because you can't stand rear wheeled drive cars are losing out to front wheeled cars? If so get over it

'nuff said on this

Ruf

vhtran

^WTH....woke up on the wrong side of the bed? You sir, you can't handle the "whatever that is on your mind".

RUF87

Nope, just sick and tired of folks dis'n guys and their cars on this forum . . . especially when they think they claim that there's no way these cars are no good and couldn't possibly beat another car.

Anyway, I went back and re-read some of the posts and it was another guy that set me off on this whole soapbox event, so my apologies for directing some of that iritability out on you.

Still, your comment about us getting no respect until we go rear wheeled drive is just your view and opinion. Like I said and agreed that rear is better than front it doesn't mean there's no way a front wheel drive could ever beat a rear wheel drive car . . . I just called you on that. I've driven rear wheel drive cars, a few of them muscle cars that would beat my TLS, but I still respect and am surprised at how wheel these front wheeled drive cars perform. Anyway, moving on.

Ruf

adrian_04tl

i agree. when i had my TL (6MT) I put a hurt on SOME rear wheel drive "SPORTY CARS" LIKE

g35 and 350z from a dig.
charger RT from a dig

on a roll, i think it really doesnt matter since its at launch where we' suffer.

i gave and still GIVE the TL respect! I MAKE SURE TO ALWAYS LOOK AT THE FRONT BRAKES

alexSU

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haha i ALWAYS look at the brakes lol need to be prepared just in case another 6MT TL wants to race

SatinSilverAV6

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I have to agree with the E36's being a good drivers race. I have raced a auto E36 M3(have no idea what year it was) and beat it several times in my Accord 5AT when I had just intake. I was a good 1-2 cars ahead each time we raced to 90MPH or so. The 5MT E36 is a whole different beast though. They usually run low 14's in 5MT form.

RUF87

Yep, low 14s would be faster than base TLs and most modded base TLs, and faster than stock TypeS. But the times are close enough for it to be a coin toss at the track or on the street . . especially on the street.

This got me all pumped up to go out and find an E46 to run and see how close I am to one. There's plenty around here so it shouldn't be too hard . . but finding one that'll be worthy may be. Of course I'm fairly well modded and am running low 14s and possibly high 13s, so not a stock to stock comparison. But first I'll need to get mine running right and repair my ram-air that someone stole the primary intake tube off of.

Ruf

AtlM5

There's now way a stock E36 will pull a TL but even a shi*y driver should rape anything short of an SC'd TL

Sonnick

^^ Not true. I put a hurtin on a I/E E36 5MT at the track. I've also beaten a 6MT E46. Idk how, but I did. I'm 6MT tho I doubt a 5AT could do anything to an E46. I didn't think I could either, but who knows on the street. Nice runs

AtlM5

sorry I meant to say an E36 couldn't beat a TL and only the worlds shi*iest driver in an E46 M3 would loose to a TL 5at or 6mt

damnboy37

US spec e36 M should be able to pull on a 3rd gen manual type s from a dig till about 80 only because of the power to weight ratio and gearing, after that the e36 driver better pray the type s short shifts. The e46 M is more of a pig, but it has better gearing, 100 more horses (close to 340) and has a longer powerband (i think it redlines at 7800rpm). There are a few n/a e36ers that can pull on the e46ers with a serious diet and most bolt ons, they run high 12s all day.

Silva-type-s

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Sonnick

I disagree. I was ahead from the start. 1st gear I got gained on by 1/2 car tho, but after that I was pulling. Even with the E46, I got a better launch and he pulled a bit in 1st. Then 2nd and 3rd I pulled 2 cars Bad driver but a win is a win. It's not like he was gaining back, I was pulling but I know I don't run low 13s lol.

Zigma

On the LIE driving on straight to LI, there was a Charger looking mean coming up from the rear view mirror. He had rims, chrome, 20s I think and I was in the middle lane doing 70. He switches over to the left lane in an attempt to pass me. I let him up a head a bit to see his backside, it was an R/T.

By now we are 3~ car lenghs away from each other, driving normal, and he continues to ride the fast lane, I am still in the middle. Thats when I start to match his speed. I matched his speed and we're both nose for nose. I hear his exhaust as he downshifts in an attempt to speed up and from there on out we're both racing. From about 80 to 120-130 I was pulling ahead barely and thats when he let off, and so did I. I slowed down and let him pass me, gave a thumb up and continued driving along. I am sure if we would have kept going, I would have gotten passed.

damnboy37

Very bad driving, cars are easy to drive fast, but hard to reach their limit. I remember going to Road America with the PCA back in 07, I was passing Porshes and Vettes that were clearly faster than me, but thats because I was forced to group with the beginers since it was my first time out.